Is Firefox OK?

Mozilla’s privacy-heavy browser is flatlining but still crucial to future of the web.

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[Chemical Tribe]

Downvotes? Someone doesn't like facts?

You’re not being downvoted for the factual part of your comment (that Mozilla have alienated users with unwanted changes). You’re being downvoted for the stupid political axe-grinding you insisted on mixing in.

Nonsense removed

You know that your source completely contradicts what you assert, right?

 

[Chemical Tribe]

In my own experience, I prefer Brave. It's a de-Googled Chrome.

Um, no. They pull their own ad shit and are led by the former CEO of Mozilla.

Fuck them.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

In my own experience, I prefer Brave. It's a de-Googled Chrome.

There's also Chromium, which is a de-Googled Chrome without changing the interface. I like Brave as well, but some people don't like change, and Chromium give them the exact same interface as Google's official Chrome browser without the built-in spying and personal data mining.

To confirm what others said, no this isn't true. It used to not have the google login system, but now it does.

A real degoogled verision for android would be bromite.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

"Eich was demonized" for voting to remove rights from minorities which he thought they didn't deserve the way he did, yes.

California Proposition 8 received 7,001,084 yes votes and 6,401,482 noes.

Brendan Eich donated $1,000 against Proposition 8 and was presumably one of the 6,401,482 Californians who voted no.

For this, he was cancelled.

"On April 4, 2014, the Washington Times reported that conservative “activist Ben Shapiro is leading up an online charge of fellow political compadres to boycott the browser Firefox — an outraged response to the Mozilla chief’s departure from his CEO role due to gay rights’ protests.”

The Washington Times article went on to say, “Mr. Shapiro has started a movement — complete with petition — to get as many Internet users as possible to ‘uninstall or cease using Mozilla.”

You were saying?

 

[Chemical Tribe]

"Eich was demonized" for voting to remove rights from minorities which he thought they didn't deserve the way he did, yes.

California Proposition 8 received 7,001,084 yes votes and 6,401,482 noes.

Brendan Eich donated $1,000 against Proposition 8 and was presumably one of the 6,401,482 Californians who voted no.

For this, he was cancelled.

"On April 4, 2014, the Washington Times reported that conservative “activist Ben Shapiro is leading up an online charge of fellow political compadres to boycott the browser Firefox — an outraged response to the Mozilla chief’s departure from his CEO role due to gay rights’ protests.”

The Washington Times article went on to say, “Mr. Shapiro has started a movement — complete with petition — to get as many Internet users as possible to ‘uninstall or cease using Mozilla.”

You were saying?

I wouldn't know. I think I've heard the name Shapiro but I have no real idea who he is. Also, I don't read the Washington Times.

But apparently you do?

Yea no one believes your bull shit Mr. Cancelled.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

Remember, the first rule of downvotes is to never talk about downvotes.

Didn't expect anything different from a comment section run by self-righteous twats. Their judgement is final and how you dare question it, dammit!

At this point, I come here to witness the self-congratulatory circle.

Hey guys, the super duper concerned about crime in one city in the US who is totally not a troll is here!

 

[Chemical Tribe]

Declaring your intent publically via open donation is functionally bringing it to workplace. Your LGBTQ+ employees and board members cannot unlearn that you, their CEO, doesn't think they deserve rights. You've permanently strained relations and caused a PR row. If I openly donated to a "protect anti-miscegenation 2022", I'd be out on my ass faster than you could blink, and rightfully so.

Speaking of anti-miscegenation, donations to political parties are openly available.

Should people who donated to the party that filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the party of "massive resistance" to school desegregation, the party that invented and enforced the Jim Crow laws...

...be cancelled?




source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_resistance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

Oh wow, now we are pretending the racist conservatives in the Democratic party are still there.

Do tell us which party TODAY wants to keep confederate statues and memorials up for, you know, purely "historical" reasons. I mean, this should be easy - if your bull shit is true then the *Democrats* should still be flying the confederate flag today since it was THEIR FLAG.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

I don't know how to explain to you the linear progression of time.

In 2008, Eich made a $1,000 donation to a California Proposition, in this case, Proposition 8.

7,001,084 people voted for it. 6,401,482 against. Eich's side won at the ballot.

In 2013, the Supreme Court decided that Proposition 8's defenders didn't have standing to defend it, and Proposition 8 became null and void forever.

In 2014, Eich was cancelled.

Is that linear progression of time a bit much for you?

Yes, it is. Thanks for confirmation you are playing a stupid troll with a wonderfully weak ass strawman argument.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

And if there's anything I've learned in the past twenty years watching the web unfold is that things change fast. Chrome may be the undisputed king for now, but the web has a graveyard of deposed kings.

Uhm... the issue here is more that, chances are, the new king will be as big and ruthless as the old one. Or worse. Mozilla was more of an exception with Firefox.

That was Microsoft back in the day. When Netscape was dominant, IE was the scrappy contender. I remember really liking IE because if you forgot to close a table tag in HTML, it wouldn't render a blank page. IE would at least try to show the content whereas Netscape showed nothing. Debugging pages in Netscape was a nightmare.

Then - Netscape crashed and burned and MS won --- and then did .... nothing. The web was frozen in time for years. MS could hardly give a crap so we were forced to build sites for a browser with severe CSS display bugs.

I don't think it will be that bad again but you never know. That said, I wish Firefox the best. They've been in this position before but they seem to thrive with their back against the wall.

I kinda disagree. Both were based on the same foundation iirc. It was simply too early to have a dominant browser.

Ie5, then 5.5 were good upgrades. It's just hard to keep selling a browser when MS bundled one for free, thus leading to their decline

 

[Chemical Tribe]

And $2,100 to Tom McClintock, who supported prop 8, as well as to Linda Smith (not sure of the amount), so quoting that $1000 figure is disingenuous.

Tom McClintock is the current U.S. congressman for the California 4th district.

What you are saying is that it is fair to cancel the CEO of Mozilla (Firefox) because he donated $2,100 of his personal money to a sitting federal politician.

Consider the implications of your justification for getting people dismissed from their jobs.

Actions have consequences motherfucker. Eck is free to vote as he wants, and that also means everyone else is free to vote too.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

In my own experience, I prefer Brave. It's a de-Googled Chrome.

Edit : Not sure why everyone is downvoting an opinion clearly stated as personal experience only, but OK. LOL.

Nothing I said is untrue. LOL.

Just the way it goes on ARS. I made a comment that people didn't like and it got deleted. And it was only a grammar correction.

If you get downvoted a lot, it pays to think about why. Maybe your opinion is unpopular, or your tone is hostile, or what you're saying is not constructive (correcting people's grammar is rarely constructive in a debate), or sometimes the back-and-forth just gets really polarized.

A while back I went through a stint when I was getting downvoted a lot. I stopped reading the comments for a while, and only later realized I'd had a bad couple of weeks in my personal life and was subconsciously taking it out on people here.

If you're getting consistently downvoted on Ars, it's almost always because you're in the wrong, but it's up to you to figure that out for yourself. If you can't, then you might don't belong here.

Unpopular opinions are not necessarily wrong. I've been mobbed a couple of times for making unpopular observations that turned out to be true later on.

Example: early on, I mused that maybe Moderna caused more side effects than Pfizer because the dose was so much larger. Instant, mega-downvote. That turned out to be roughly correct.

Sometimes the groupthink mentality the right complains about here is true.

But it basically is the broken clock kind of true.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

Declaring your intent publically via open donation is functionally bringing it to workplace. Your LGBTQ+ employees and board members cannot unlearn that you, their CEO, doesn't think they deserve rights. You've permanently strained relations and caused a PR row. If I openly donated to a "protect anti-miscegenation 2022", I'd be out on my ass faster than you could blink, and rightfully so.

Speaking of anti-miscegenation, donations to political parties are openly available.

Should people who donated to the party that filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the party of "massive resistance" to school desegregation, the party that invented and enforced the Jim Crow laws...

...be cancelled?




source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_resistance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws

I don't know how to explain to you the linear progression of time.

Have you tried using a baseball analogy? I've seen that work in the future.

Next in line for a series to rewatch after I finish Eureka.