CA State agency sues Activision Blizzard, alleges discrimination against women

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Going to sound stupid but I’m pretty gutted by this news. Spent bloody 1000s of hours of my life playing Blizzard games
None of the people who made the games you played are there any more or are likely to have been implicated in this.

Activision is the cancer.


Sadly no Alex Afrasiabi has been implicated in this as well and he has been there since at least the start of wow. My first blizzard game was Warcraft Orcs and Humans tho
 
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Activision's response is pretty hilarious actually.

The first part claims that the state agency's lawsuit has no merit while the second part explicitly mentioned that Activision has made reforms/changes since then; changes that addressed the very things the state agency mentioned.

If the suit has no merit, why bother mention that reforms/changes were made in response to the lawsuit?

As a result, Activision's response tells me a lot more about their internal shenanigans than the lawsuit so I'd say that the lawsuit has a hell of a lot more merit than Activision wants people to believe.

When Activision escapes California, given that they believe the unaccountable state bureaucrats are harassing them, are there any states where pervasive sexual harassment is not grounds for investigating companies?
 
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Going to sound stupid but I’m pretty gutted by this news. Spent bloody 1000s of hours of my life playing Blizzard games
None of the people who made the games you played are there any more or are likely to have been implicated in this.

Activision is the cancer.


Sadly no Alex Afrasiabi has been implicated in this as well and he has been there since at least the start of wow. My first blizzard game was Warcraft Orcs and Humans tho

Which also says that folks like Morhaime and other Blizzard oldguard were aware of all of this.
 
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I work with a person that was fired from a Texas Blizzard call center for repeated sexual harassment & stalking complaints. The fact that it took so many complaint to get action taken (for a replaceable cog/grunt) speaks to the culture. Of course, my work has also tolerated the same crap, so it isn't limited to the gaming industry. I have spoken out and been ignored. In the mean time, some female employees walk down three flights of stairs (other two floors are not accessible to our group) to the bathroom in the lobby rather than have to go by this individual.

I get why some people can't complain. There is an older, uneducated lady that works for us that has had to deal with much of this person's crap for years now. She has seen that they don't treat the complaints seriously and protect the person. She can't afford to lose her job and thus suffers in silence. I've spoken up more since I am in a better position and even if they just canned me it would be less impactful to me than it would be if she had the same thing happen. However, since I'm not the one impacted my reports do not result in any action either.

Our entire society is built and continues on the hard work of people who get little credit or reward for that work. Instead, small cliques of people within the organizations get the credit and the rewards. They become unaccountable in most cases just like the royalty of old. Sure they will sacrifice one of their own eventually, but the system does not change. That system punishes those who try to stop it.

Can some/many just find different jobs? Sure. That is how most deal with it. I would make the point that wanting to work in an environment without illegal crap going on or without being subjected to bullying or harassment should be a baseline expectation though and "if you don't like it leave" is not an appropriate response in those instances. To get there would require respect for those below you and not just as cogs in a machine. The "elite" will never allow their control, power, or wealth to be threatened by something like baseline respect and livability.
 
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BurntPixel

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Going to sound stupid but I’m pretty gutted by this news. Spent bloody 1000s of hours of my life playing Blizzard games
None of the people who made the games you played are there any more or are likely to have been implicated in this.

Activision is the cancer.


Sadly no Alex Afrasiabi has been implicated in this as well and he has been there since at least the start of wow. My first blizzard game was Warcraft Orcs and Humans tho

Which also says that folks like Morhaime and other Blizzard oldguard were aware of all of this.


Yep this behaviour goes deep. I really hope Metzen and Kaplan aren’t caught up in it, but knowing it’s happening and doing nothing is piss poor.
 
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Glad to see these charges, sounds awful, but blaming EA for a suicide seems a bit much. Their work culture might genuinely be toxic, but no one is forcing people to work there until they end their lives. Just resign.

I too have written some dumb comments in my life, but my saving grace is that before I click ’submit’, I consider whether what dumb shit I just wrote should be shared with the world or not. I think that, on average, I am on the right side of the line. I may be wrong, of course. This comment shows that you need to think about where you are in relation to that line. But then again I don’t think I’ve ever written something this dumb.
I think that makes you better at PR than Blizzard's PR department.

"We are unable to comment due to the ongoing litigation" would have been a bad response to this, but it would have been light years better than what Blizzard sent out. Even if everything Blizzard says is true (which I doubt) — that any problems are long behind them, that they've been cooperating completely with DFEH, that the suicide was completely unrelated to these complaints and the family would not have wanted it made public — reacting with such obvious outrage just makes them look entitled.
 
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Going to sound stupid but I’m pretty gutted by this news. Spent bloody 1000s of hours of my life playing Blizzard games
None of the people who made the games you played are there any more or are likely to have been implicated in this.

Activision is the cancer.


Sadly no Alex Afrasiabi has been implicated in this as well and he has been there since at least the start of wow. My first blizzard game was Warcraft Orcs and Humans tho

Which also says that folks like Morhaime and other Blizzard oldguard were aware of all of this.


Yep this behaviour goes deep. I really hope Metzen and Kaplan aren’t caught up in it, but knowing it’s happening and doing nothing is piss poor.

It's almost certain they knew and did nothing.
 
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@author and editor:

Blizzard Entertainment president J. Allard Brack allegedly received a direct report from...
His name is J. Allen Brack:

https://www.activisionblizzard.com/lead ... llen-brack


Where did "Allard" come from?

Googling "J. Allard Brack" just returns this article and everyone who's reposted it already.
J Allard was an *extremely* high profile and influential executive at Microsoft. As an example, he famously sent out a memo about how the internet was going to take over computing, so Microsoft needed to embrace it. He's probably the single reason MS put together their own IP stack.

He's still doing stuff, but not at Microsoft anymore.
 
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With the alleged amounts of alcohol usage both before work and at work, sounds like the local LEOs need to setup sobriety checkpoints at the entrances and exits of the Activision parking lots.

I hope this goes to a trial and verdict rather then the too common pretrial sealed settlement where the outside world never learns what, if anything, was going on. Too many of these things wind up with some money being tossed at the accusers, the stock performance takes a hit that quarter and things quickly go back to how they were before the lawsuit/charges.
 
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Going to sound stupid but I’m pretty gutted by this news. Spent bloody 1000s of hours of my life playing Blizzard games
None of the people who made the games you played are there any more or are likely to have been implicated in this.

Activision is the cancer.
You should probably read into the allegations and testimony more. A whole lot of it dates back far before Activision.
 
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Their response instantly made me convinced the suit has merit. Which is a shame, since Activision Blizzard used to be such a powerhouse of a game studio, but was ruined as so many others by being an EA takeover. I really do not understand why EA and Tencent are allowed to buy up every successful game studio out there - it really isn't healthy for society.

At least is not what Microsoft did to Rare, they are not even allowed to die.
 
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Oh Activision. Throwing out the words “unaccountable bureaucrats” when we all know that here it means “not bribable and not in contact with lobbyists.”

I am reminded of the saying among lawyers. "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table." I think that table Activision Blizzard just stood near has a big dent in it now.
 
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Oh Activision. Throwing out the words “unaccountable bureaucrats” when we all know that here it means “not bribable and not in contact with lobbyists.”

I am reminded of the saying among lawyers. "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table." I think that table Activision Blizzard just stood near has a big dent in it now.

It's hard for me to imagine an actual corporate attorney OK'ing a statement like this for public release. If true, Activision has already lost their case.
 
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In this reddit post they have links to some victim tweets and comments.

I'm not surprised about the frat culture, what I am surprised is how far some people took it.

I mean, do this.. "people" even realized what they were doing to other human beings? How can you get to be a disgusting piece of shit like that?

As IT crowd so brilliantly put it: "People, what a bunch of bastards"

Some people took it that far because all the other men allowed it. A man looking the other way is a man that lets it continue. A man that laughs it off as "boys being boys" is a man that lets it continue. A man that thinks it's not serious enough to do more than a slap on the wrist is a man that lets it continue.

The grotesque don't appear out of nowhere. They feel free to do what they do because they don't get real pushback if they get any pushback at all. This is what people mean when they talk about "Rape Culture".
Do we know if any men did speak out? And were they retaliated against? If the culture is that pervasive you can imagine the pressure to conform must have been horrible. It takes a lot of guts (and financial security) to stand up and commit professional suicide; especially knowing the other companies are going to be equally bad and that being blacklisted as a whistleblower is going to make you a toxic hire.

But the thing is, staying silent because you fear the consequences is effectively same thing as staying silent because you don't care or because you approve. It doesn't even matter if those consequences are real, by being passive you are part of the problem.

Even if we assume that you can't speak up directly -- which often isn't actually the case depending on what you are doing -- that doesn't mean there aren't other options available. There's loads.

And frankly, if, at the end of the day, you have to choose between career suicide or passively letting women be sexually assaulted, then the only moral choice is career suicide. Find another career.

But let's be honest, we know that the vast majority of men at Blizzard did nothing AT BEST and this was obviously common knowledge. Given how toxic what was going on, likely most of the men were more than a passive part of the problem.
If youve got kids to feed, career suicide is not a moral choice.

Continuing to work (while looking for a job elsewhere) and making confidential reports to state organizations (and demanding action on those complaints, including taking the complaints to the media if the state doesn't act) is the moral choice.

Don't take what I said out of context. I said there were other options to do something and I said you can find another career if your current career requires that you allow women to get assaulted and raped and do nothing.

Or you could teach your kids that if women got assaulted and raped and you turn the other way to make money, then that's ok. Is that really how you want to raise your kids? Again, that was in the hypothetical scenario where the only way to do anything would result in "career suicide". At that point, your career is supported by and supports the sexual abuse of women.

But again, realistically, there are pretty much always other options in these scenarios.
 
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Oh Activision. Throwing out the words “unaccountable bureaucrats” when we all know that here it means “not bribable and not in contact with lobbyists.”

I am reminded of the saying among lawyers. "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table." I think that table Activision Blizzard just stood near has a big dent in it now.

It's hard for me to imagine an actual corporate attorney OK'ing a statement like this for public release. If true, Activision has already lost their case.

It's dudebros all the way down.
 
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Their response instantly made me convinced the suit has merit. Which is a shame, since Activision Blizzard used to be such a powerhouse of a game studio, but was ruined as so many others by being an EA takeover. I really do not understand why EA and Tencent are allowed to buy up every successful game studio out there - it really isn't healthy for society.

This quote makes no sense.
Activision took over blizzard.
Hence activision blizzard

EA is not involved here.
 
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@author and editor:

Blizzard Entertainment president J. Allard Brack allegedly received a direct report from...
His name is J. Allen Brack:

https://www.activisionblizzard.com/lead ... llen-brack


Where did "Allard" come from?

Googling "J. Allard Brack" just returns this article and everyone who's reposted it already.
J Allard was an *extremely* high profile and influential executive at Microsoft. As an example, he famously sent out a memo about how the internet was going to take over computing, so Microsoft needed to embrace it. He's probably the single reason MS put together their own IP stack.

He's still doing stuff, but not at Microsoft anymore.

Ah, okay -- thanks for that background! All these decades I've never come across his name, weird.
J. Allard is definitely not the president of Blizzard. =)
 
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Glad to see these charges, sounds awful, but blaming EA for a suicide seems a bit much. Their work culture might genuinely be toxic, but no one is forcing people to work there until they end their lives. Just resign.

I too have written some dumb comments in my life, but my saving grace is that before I click ’submit’, I consider whether what dumb shit I just wrote should be shared with the world or not. I think that, on average, I am on the right side of the line. I may be wrong, of course. This comment shows that you need to think about where you are in relation to that line. But then again I don’t think I’ve ever written something this dumb.

Yeah it was dumb and I go over the line all the time. I don't have good instincts for it, never have, or sometimes I have great instincts for months it years but then I second guess where the line is and throw it out into the world. The reality is I'm often dependent on getting negative feedback to readjust. Even for really controversial takes, I will second guess myself.

I was trying to make an argument for individual responsibility, the fact that people should resign from toxic places in protest and our legal system has a very high standard for accusing people of being responsible for someone's death.

What I wrote was dog turd and maybe every polished variation of it would end up a dog turd.

But it's out there now. New lines drawn, new lines will evitably be over stepped.
 
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Going to sound stupid but I’m pretty gutted by this news. Spent bloody 1000s of hours of my life playing Blizzard games
None of the people who made the games you played are there any more or are likely to have been implicated in this.

Activision is the cancer.

Alex Afrasiabi started at Blizzard in 2004 and is the former Senior Creative Director for WoW. He left very quietly in June 2020. Activision only acquired Blizzard in 2008.

He's directly named in the lawsuit, paragraph 47.

This shit is deeply embedded in the company.
 
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Then entire gamer culture - from software houses to players - is totally fucked up.

Change my view.

Not specific to gamers my dude. Nor does gaming cause it. Asshole-ism is everywhere.

WTF? Gamer culture, like, by definition, applies to gamers. Who else do you think it applies to?
 
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Then entire gamer culture - from software houses to players - is totally fucked up.

Change my view.

When you say the "entire gamer culture" you're including all gamers here.

We're not all like THAT... granted, a high percentage is, but not everyone!

If you are not loudly pushing back and publicly calling out the bad actors, you are most explicitly contributing to, and part of the problem. (not a gamer since the original Quake; just not something I get into at all)
 
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Their response instantly made me convinced the suit has merit. Which is a shame, since Activision Blizzard used to be such a powerhouse of a game studio, but was ruined as so many others by being an EA takeover. I really do not understand why EA and Tencent are allowed to buy up every successful game studio out there - it really isn't healthy for society.

EA bought Metalhead the makers of, IMO, the best baseball game out there Super Mega Baseball in May. They are going to destroy that game. The Metalhead team always was so excited about bringing the best game possible, but in the end I guess we all would have done the same thing. EA is a cancer.
 
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Glad to see these charges, sounds awful, but blaming EA for a suicide seems a bit much. Their work culture might genuinely be toxic, but no one is forcing people to work there until they end their lives. Just resign.
Hey everybody, does our industry have a bit of a deep rooted misogyny problem? Naw, it's the women who are dumb and weak and not biologically built for pro gamer moves.

Completely misinterpreting me. I'm all for the charges. I don't think any of the women are dumb and I don't believe any mysgonist bullshit.

I just think that accusing Blizzard of essentially murdering a lady through their good old boys workplace culture seems extreme? Are all the workers their guilty? Was it just HR? Was it an individual? Should they be charging the individual(s) that lead to the commit suicide? If they can prove a direct correlation, why is it a an ethics complaint, not a criminal investigation?

Ok so it is a dumb take, I'm dumb a rock when it comes to the legal system. I just don't get what level of evidence you need to claim a company is directly responsible for the suicide of their employee but none of the individual employees are? Maybe I just missed the part where they explain the casualty.

It feels extreme to me, maybe it's not. No one else seems to find it extreme.

My God, he kept going... ffs...
 
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So I guess California is at it again...Wouldn't this be a private citizen issue? Government trying to control private industry...and it's California. What a left concept.

Since you apparently know nothing about reality or the law; sexual assault and sexual harassment are crimes.
 
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Glad to see these charges, sounds awful, but blaming EA for a suicide seems a bit much. Their work culture might genuinely be toxic, but no one is forcing people to work there until they end their lives. Just resign.

I too have written some dumb comments in my life, but my saving grace is that before I click ’submit’, I consider whether what dumb shit I just wrote should be shared with the world or not. I think that, on average, I am on the right side of the line. I may be wrong, of course. This comment shows that you need to think about where you are in relation to that line. But then again I don’t think I’ve ever written something this dumb.

Yeah it was dumb and I go over the line all the time. I don't have good instincts for it, never have, or sometimes I have great instincts for months it years but then I second guess where the line is and throw it out into the world. The reality is I'm often dependent on getting negative feedback to readjust. Even for really controversial takes, I will second guess myself.

I was trying to make an argument for individual responsibility, the fact that people should resign from toxic places in protest and our legal system has a very high standard for accusing people of being responsible for someone's death.

What I wrote was dog turd and maybe every polished variation of it would end up a dog turd.

But it's out there now. New lines drawn, new lines will evitably be over stepped.

Blaming women for having to endure sexual harassment... yeah I think I'd call that a "controversial take."
 
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I'm also willing to bet the people who hold this opinion would themselves never make such a choice. For them, there would suddenly be reasons why they can't be expected to sacrifice themselves. They'd turn the logic right around if stuck in the same scenario. Keyboard warrior bullshit that lives outside the real world.

Some maybe, but projecting personal moral cowardice onto the population at large is unwarranted. If that were true, we would all be living within a global 3rd Reich, or still a colony of a dying empire. Many people, though truthfully not all, are willing to risk their 'lives, fortunes, and sacred honor' to defend what they believe is proper and moral.
 
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The founder effect goes further than this. Who the founders / execs hire reflects their values and personality styles, so if the middle levels are full of a-holes, it's the fault of the top levels. And the low-level a-holes are the fault of both higher levels. And so on.

Organizational culture is set by organization leadership - not so much in terms of what they promote but in the example that they set themselves and the behviour that they expect, reward, tolerate, or do not tolerate from their subordinates.

So, given that this is a deep seated cultural problem, I'll remain skeptical of any attempts to address it that don't involve mass turnover at the management and executive levels.

(That particular institutional cultural rot is currently coming home to roost for the Canadian military, especially at the national headquarters level. Just check the list of senior officers and defence staff that have recently resigned, are being investigated, or actively prosecuted)
 
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Organizational culture is set by organization leadership - not so much in terms of what they promote but in the example that they set themselves and the behviour that they expect, reward, tolerate, or do not tolerate from their subordinates.

So, given that this is a deep seated cultural problem, I'll remain skeptical of any attempts to address it that don't involve mass turnover at the management and executive levels.

(That particular institutional cultural rot is currently coming home to roost for the Canadian military, especially at the national headquarters level. Just check the list of senior officers and defence staff that have recently resigned, are being investigated, or actively prosecuted)

Completely agree that culture is shaped by the top "leaders" at an organization. If the CEO is a grade A douchenozzle, you can expect the culture to be toxic.
 
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I'm male and I have worked around monsters like this and it's truly an awful thing to have to put up with. If your not like them they tend to harass you no matter what your gender is but it's definitely worse for women.

I’ve worked in places/departments like this, and the minute they sense that you’re not one of “their boys” and that you aren’t amused is the minute that they see you as a potential threat and start working to destroy you.

And if they’re management, hoo boy.
 
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