Zuckerberg promises future change as Facebook advertiser boycott grows
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Not when they need desperately for you to believe their lies. Or more accurately, the whole point of the con, is the confidence.
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Uh, what is the implementation difference in cost_of_business() vs stay_the_course()? I suspect they're the same method.
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It's sad that Twitch is so close to gamer culture's toxic side that they know this sort of anonymity is necessary.
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Facebook is still using Daily Caller as a fact checker, right?
There's been plenty of reporting about how the high-up levels of Facebook are lousy with GOP operatives. I'm not going to take anything coming out of them seriously until they make a point of publicly firing said operatives.
There's been plenty of reporting about how the high-up levels of Facebook are lousy with GOP operatives. I'm not going to take anything coming out of them seriously until they make a point of publicly firing said operatives.
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ColdWetDog
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I'm starting to see branded face masks show up. Gotta embrace the new paradigm. It's not like the pandemic is going away any time soon.
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I suspect facemasks will be with us more or less permanently, as they are in some Asian countries, regardless of the covid-19 outcome. A demonstration that they're actually useful in preventing the spread of disease will encourage their use for other diseases.
I can't tell you how many dozens of times per year there's someone in the office sneezing, coughing, and horking up god knows what without so much as turning aside, let alone covering their mouth, spraying infectious effluvium all over their coworkers.
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Actually, Facebook ads have been notoriously unprofitable for many companies for decades. Given the current economic climate I expect that companies didn’t need much of a reason to cut back.
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That's a common misconception! Not many realize cost_of_business() prints a blithe apology, then calls stay_the_course().
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How are they going to do this?
If they crowdsource user reports of hate speech, then results will be easily manipulated. If they rely on human moderators, they'll be producing even more stressed and traumatized 3rd party contractors.
It's best just to shutdown the platform.
If they crowdsource user reports of hate speech, then results will be easily manipulated. If they rely on human moderators, they'll be producing even more stressed and traumatized 3rd party contractors.
It's best just to shutdown the platform.
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People do realize a corporation controlled by a soulless husk of an automaton that only understand power and money is fundamentally unable to ever do the right thing? Travis Kalaenic at least is still controlled by his d-ck. Zuckerberg makes the Night King looks like Mr Rogers.
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^
Like I really need Facebook's labels to tell me when a post is supporting violence or other hateful speech. Actual consequences are necessary, and since all they have is banning...
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i am unsure of the operative stuff. but NY Times daily podcast did some reporting on Facebook and conservatives did make up most of if not a lot of the audience. Facebook has likely i think come to terms with that and wants to keep them.
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This policy change applies to statements made by public officials, not to all sources of hate speech. You wouldn't really need many moderators to handle that.
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Pie crust promise from a company that has been caught lying over and over again, specifically to advertisers. There are no checks on Zuckerberg's power and he's been caught being dishonest over and over again, esp on ads stats and privacy.
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I think Joel Kaplan is gone now, but he certainly left his mark.
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Facebook are also not doing anything to put a stop to targeted political advertising, which is how this stuff is propagated in the first place.
1) Racist political group sends articles to perceived supporters using Facebook targeted advertising.
2) Some of the recipients share and/or comment on it, so other people in their News Feed also see it.
3) Win for original advertisor, since they pay for a few critical viewers and then lots of people get it in their News Feed.
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And here I am picturing not an OS container of the thing that generates the cash, but a 40' steel intermodal container full of cash.... at 689 cubic inches per $1m USD in $100 bills, 2387 cu.ft per container, that's about $6bn USD, but that'd be about 60 tonnes of cash and you're limited to 30.48 tonnes gross per container, less 3.5 tonnes tare, US bills are ~1.0 grams each, so a "shipping container full of stacks of $100 US bills" is about $2.7bn.
(Which, incidentally, means Facebook brings in about 26 such containers a year.)
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This guy's an unscrupulous money grubbing dolt. Suspend or eliminate your FB account NOW!!! (I have.)
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The very idea is defeated by the bullshit asymmetry principle
"The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."
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This isn't the "situation coming to a head". This is Zuckerberg doing precisely what he's always done: the bare fucking minimum. He's terrified of being labelled "the new liberal media", as the GOP always does to those who stand up for truth in any way. Zuck is afraid that if Facebook gets that reputation within the right-wing media ecosystem, they will lose favor with Boomers, upon whom Facebook is increasingly dependent for page views and user growth. There is no principle behind Zuckerberg's positions; it's all about the money. He simply doesn't care about right or wrong. It's that simple.
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Sorry to be a pessimist but this “boycott” isn’t going to make any lasting change occur.
These large companies haven’t committed to an “indefinite” suspension of advertising on Facebook properties, but rather a limited window.
In other words, they’re just deferring ad spending conveniently at a time when consumers are already hard pressed for discretionary dollars anyway while these brands can virtue signal during a time of social upheaval.
Zuckerberg will sign off on some token change, the brands will come back online once the economic picture improves in a few months and they’ll just pat each other on the backs.
These large companies haven’t committed to an “indefinite” suspension of advertising on Facebook properties, but rather a limited window.
In other words, they’re just deferring ad spending conveniently at a time when consumers are already hard pressed for discretionary dollars anyway while these brands can virtue signal during a time of social upheaval.
Zuckerberg will sign off on some token change, the brands will come back online once the economic picture improves in a few months and they’ll just pat each other on the backs.
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This would be Move Fast and Fix Things. It's just not the same.
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Many comments here seem to be misguided. This article at Business Insider [1] claims "the boycott wouldn't significantly hurt Facebook's revenue, as it has more than 8 million advertisers".
The response from Facebook is likely more of a reaction to the market value dropping, not from the advertiser boycott. Especially since I expect Facebook expects the advertisers are virtue signalling rather than taking a principled stand. If Pepsi can make money advertising on Facebook, you can bet they will do so once the attention has died down. Megacorps don't really care about people.
This seems right, since these actions taken by FB are minimal, and will barely move the needle. I don't think they really got the message.
Zuck has the GOP locked down, as evidenced by the fact that Trump has him on speed-dial.
[1] https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1029350644
The response from Facebook is likely more of a reaction to the market value dropping, not from the advertiser boycott. Especially since I expect Facebook expects the advertisers are virtue signalling rather than taking a principled stand. If Pepsi can make money advertising on Facebook, you can bet they will do so once the attention has died down. Megacorps don't really care about people.
This seems right, since these actions taken by FB are minimal, and will barely move the needle. I don't think they really got the message.
Zuck has the GOP locked down, as evidenced by the fact that Trump has him on speed-dial.
[1] https://markets.businessinsider.com/new ... 1029350644
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It's easy and maybe even correct to be cynical but I'm glad to see continued movement by this boycott. Real change in a monolithic organization such as Facebook is slow and difficult but it has to start somewhere. No one can say for sure if this is the seed that will grow into it but it has to start somewhere.
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It's not just celebrity posts. Racism abounds and FB refuses to act.
Here is a blatant example from just a couple days ago. I am a member of several FB groups that troll, expose, and report racists on the platform, so I see lots of it.
This OP was about Bubba Wallace, the NASCAR driver whose team found a noose in is garage. Bubba is half black and half white. This guy openly called him a halfbreed. A known slur/insult.
I reported it to FB, who stated that it does not violate community standards for hate speech. I asked for a review which came back the same.
I see this very frequently. Conversely, if you use terms against while people, even something like saying you are a trashy white person in response to something like this, you get muted (FB jail) for days nearly instantly. Zucc is promoting hate.
Here is a blatant example from just a couple days ago. I am a member of several FB groups that troll, expose, and report racists on the platform, so I see lots of it.
This OP was about Bubba Wallace, the NASCAR driver whose team found a noose in is garage. Bubba is half black and half white. This guy openly called him a halfbreed. A known slur/insult.
I reported it to FB, who stated that it does not violate community standards for hate speech. I asked for a review which came back the same.
I see this very frequently. Conversely, if you use terms against while people, even something like saying you are a trashy white person in response to something like this, you get muted (FB jail) for days nearly instantly. Zucc is promoting hate.
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I hope the advertisers feel the same way, instead of resuming business as usual after a month, confident that Zuck has learned his lesson.
And once they do resume advertising on Facebook, they should do so on short-term contracts, showing a willingness to stop advertising anytime FB reverts to its normal behaviour.
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Unilever - probably the largest participant - has suspended advertising for all its brands through the end of the year. Others have said they'll reevaluate as things progress. Only a few have said they'll limit their participation to the month of July.
I agree that Zuckerberg will do the absolute minimum he can, then immediately try to go back to his former ways.
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