Zune hardware apparently dead, software and services live on

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Microsoft's Zune-branded MP3 players are set to leave the market, after reports that the company will be concentrating on smartphones and services after lacklustre market performance of the hardware.

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The decision to end Zune hardware production also means that it's unlikely that Microsoft will ever mimic Apple and produce an iPod touch equivalent for Windows Phone 7—the phone platform without the phone part.

I don't see how this follows. It seems like it would be trivial for any handset maker to produce a handset without a phone. Yes, MS won't be making it, but it also doesn't make the phone. In fact, one could hope for a variety of competing players (e.g. one with stereo speakers and a kick-stand, one small and light, another with a slide out keyboard, etc.)
 
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This news is a surprise and if true imo a mistake.

To me MS needed to continue/change it's portable devices (Zune, smart phones, tablets) to run on one OS (WP7). It needed to unify Windows Media Player and its mobile online store on the same mobile OS (and eventually make it compatible with the X-Box).

If MS drops a portable music player for good, this would be a chink in MS's armor for the first time in the mobile device battle. MS has the money to stick with a multi year fight with Apple and Google. But they need the vision to create a complete competing mobile ecosystem.

It may be that MS still has not figured out that Windows 7+ is NOT the future of mobile devices. And that MS is resisting making WP7 the new mobile standard for MS. Anyway, I look forward to more updates about this.
 
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Why is it that Microsoft manages to compete effectively in the complex business of gaming paraphernalia yet it is failing so badly with its music players and phones? The Zune and the WP7 are excellent products so bad quality is not the issue. I find the “too little too late” explanation too simplistic. But if it’s not that, what is it?
 
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ccccnetttt":2fhryjce said:
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The decision to end Zune hardware production also means that it's unlikely that Microsoft will ever mimic Apple and produce an iPod touch equivalent for Windows Phone 7—the phone platform without the phone part.

I don't see how this follows. It seems like it would be trivial for any handset maker to produce a handset without a phone. Yes, MS won't be making it, but it also doesn't make the phone. In fact, one could hope for a variety of competing players (e.g. one with stereo speakers and a kick-stand, one small and light, another with a slide out keyboard, etc.)

Yes, but if they make a Windows Phone 7 device without a phone, what would they call the OS? Windows 7? wOS? wp7OS? BalmOS? Microsoft iOS? MiOS? Score!
 
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Apple more or less has a monopoly on the online music buying market. They have like 70% or something along those lines. Their biggest competition for music downloads is likely torrent sites. So it makes sense their device would dominate the market. MS really has NO idea at all how to advertise, which is a bummer for such a huge company. Apple on the other hand is very good at advertising, and they play the simplistic game, so they don't confuse users as much. People like us (people who read ars) can make educated informed decisions on electronics when we buy them, but the masses will flock to whatever is already dominating the market.

I gave my iPod to my father and that thing just sits in a dock and he plays music from it sometimes. I have a zune that was a gift and I use that at the gym since it is nice and small. If I am on the road, I use my droid x, which has about 4-5GB of music loaded into it, and pandora if I want something different.

Also, just because they are ditching the zune, doesn't mean they won't release some sort of "windows 8" type device that is a music player running the Win7(8) phone interface, but doesn't have a cell radio in it.

In the short term, MS needs to consolidate their media software so I don't have to ponder over why I should use Windows Media Center Vs Windows Media Player Vs Zune player as my main media player.
 
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Yes, MS won't be making it, but it also doesn't make the phone. In fact, one could hope for a variety of competing players
I doubt it. I don't think that the dedicated MP3 player market is all that lucrative anymore. Whoever sunk money into making the player and licensing it from MS would be competing with established companies with their own operating systems. Plus, there's the history that Microsoft has with the Plays-For-Sure platform that they let die off in favor of the Zune.

It's a platform that Microsoft couldn't really make work. I'm not sure anyone who would undoubtedly have smaller pockets than Microsoft would think that they could do better with it.
 
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Wingsy":ssh5pjln said:
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If MS drops a portable music player for good, this would be a chink in MS's armor for the first time in the mobile device battle.

My, what a short memory.

Kin
What I was referring to was a market sector. Once MS gets into a market, they almost never give up which may be happening with this Zune announcement.

Kin was so badly conceived that I just ignore it. MS just came out with a different phone OS (WP7) so Kin didn't slow them down or lead them to pull out of an important market.
 
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As I type this I'm watching a movie on my Zune 80GB second gen. I really like this player but I took the chance that buying it, Microsoft would drop the line shortly after unlike Apple. Now that they took this route, which honestly was not surprising, I have little doubt that I would purchase another MS product again. My player is working just fine but I'm sure it's soon when they'll discontinue the updates to the Zune software.
 
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R-T¥PE":set0aoez said:
As I type this I'm watching a movie on my Zune 80GB second gen. I really like this player but I took the chance that buying it, Microsoft would drop the line shortly after unlike Apple. Now that they took this route, which honestly was not surprising, I have little doubt that I would purchase another MS product again. My player is working just fine but I'm sure it's soon when they'll discontinue the updates to the Zune software.
Maybe to that Zune's firmware eventually, but the PC software itself and the Marketplace will be updated for a long time to come since it's also used by the Xbox and WP7.
 
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thekaj":3m062x3g said:
Yes, MS won't be making it, but it also doesn't make the phone. In fact, one could hope for a variety of competing players
I doubt it. I don't think that the dedicated MP3 player market is all that lucrative anymore ...

I don't think we're talking MP3 players either with this or the touch. These are small computers that happen to play music. They are primarily used for web surfing, checking facebook/twitter, playing games, and watching movies in the back of the van on long roadtrips. The big difference is that they wouldn't have a data plan, so would be over a thousand dollars cheaper than the equivalent phone and therefore approachable to many more people, including parents for their kids.
 
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