Yep, RFK Jr. appoints anti-vaccine advocates to CDC vaccine panel
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I rather think it's already been torn into tiny shreds.
As a foreigner residing in a (presumably formerly), allied nation I will be breaking out my copies of Medizing for Dummies and The Complete Idiot's Guide to Medizing against the fallout of the American rabid embrace of maniaepolitik.
Sometimes your adversaries are less of an existential threat than your firmest but now erstwhile ally.
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"Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
I suspect you could do a lot worse than to take some of these blots with you. Fortunately good men don't.
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Probably hold that he has indemnity because he isn't human having been entirely subsumed by the pork tapeworm Taenia solium with the human residue lodged in its cranium where it's mistakenly identified as the worm.
Invasion of the pork tapeworm body snatchers? Sure looks like it.
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As a non-physician, I totally agree. What I am hearing from people in my personal circle, post-covid, is increasingly bizarre. We are going from having the best available to possibly having to go to another country to get reliable vaccination.
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I agree with this point of view. My mother worked in a hospital for 20 years and her attitude towards vaccines pre- and post-Covid has done a near 180. She swallowed the BS hook, line, and sinker - she fully believes and parrots it. They've done a much better job spinning this then I would have thought possible.
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Pharma and insurers will start leaning into guidance from regulatory and oversight organizations located outside the US.
To coincide with shifting R&D outside the US.
Another clear example of the US ceding its position of global leadership, with nothing of value gained in the bargain.
To coincide with shifting R&D outside the US.
Another clear example of the US ceding its position of global leadership, with nothing of value gained in the bargain.
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Every nation has pretty hefty proportion of its population endowed with that markable ability but those nations generally avoid appointing or electing those so distinguished to high office. (School crossing attendant is probably aspirational.)
Clearly one nation has managed to reach the tipping point where arguably a sufficient moiety of the population has achieved the level of imbecility that ensures high office is now reserved for their intellectual peers.
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I don't imagine Charles I recognised the jurisdiction of the English Parliament any more than the accused at Nuremberg of the Special Tribunal. Beginning to look like the administration doesn't recognise the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
Never has the nation required the services of a Suffer-Not-Injustice "(Old) Stoneface" Vimes more than these appalling times or a least the less fictional but longer lived Cromwell.
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I wonder if future historians will refer to this timeline as "the post-truth era"?
I hope so, because it means that truth and science prevailed!
I hope so, because it means that truth and science prevailed!
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I can think of quite a few actors in this farce for whom I would be happy to honour the policy. Indeed fewer of the premiums that I received the happier I would be.
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I was born just a few years too early to benefit from many modern vaccines.
As such I managed to get…..
- German Measles - apparently landed me in hospital - I have no memory of it, but have a lot of measles scars, when I get suntanned I have literally hundreds of white scar-tissue spots on my arms and back.
- Mumps - because, yeah everyone did.
- Chicken Pox - added to the measles scars almost certainly.
- Meningitis - many weeks in hospital, approximately two weeks in a coma aged 13, emerged with about 30% of my hearing left. Super. I really thought I died - I had insane pains, technicolour, vivid hallucinations and multiple seizures and black-outs - Meningitis is something that I really cannot recommend to anyone. Apparently it is fatal for 1/10 victims.
I literally had all of the childhood illnesses that today’s vaccines protect against. I think that the only vaccines I had were Diphtheria and Polio ?
My brother, who is just five years younger than me had managed to avoid all but chicken pox, he got some easily 1970’s versions of some of the vaccines (Measles and Rubella) Along with the 1960’s versions I had.
While, yes, I survived, not all of my peers did. There were stories of Measles and Menigitis deaths in the local town and one the boys in the village we lived in sustained brain damage due to one or other.
All of this of course will be the ‘Find out’ part of this administrations legacy, it will take a while to really hit, but it will be messy and tragic.
As such I managed to get…..
- German Measles - apparently landed me in hospital - I have no memory of it, but have a lot of measles scars, when I get suntanned I have literally hundreds of white scar-tissue spots on my arms and back.
- Mumps - because, yeah everyone did.
- Chicken Pox - added to the measles scars almost certainly.
- Meningitis - many weeks in hospital, approximately two weeks in a coma aged 13, emerged with about 30% of my hearing left. Super. I really thought I died - I had insane pains, technicolour, vivid hallucinations and multiple seizures and black-outs - Meningitis is something that I really cannot recommend to anyone. Apparently it is fatal for 1/10 victims.
I literally had all of the childhood illnesses that today’s vaccines protect against. I think that the only vaccines I had were Diphtheria and Polio ?
My brother, who is just five years younger than me had managed to avoid all but chicken pox, he got some easily 1970’s versions of some of the vaccines (Measles and Rubella) Along with the 1960’s versions I had.
While, yes, I survived, not all of my peers did. There were stories of Measles and Menigitis deaths in the local town and one the boys in the village we lived in sustained brain damage due to one or other.
All of this of course will be the ‘Find out’ part of this administrations legacy, it will take a while to really hit, but it will be messy and tragic.
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Before him, there was this A-hole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
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It’s a bit harsh to say that men are like rabid animals while bears are like vaccines.
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... and I guess you already know what their "answer" would be. You seem to assume that all these terms that form the bedrock of of modern science mean anything to them anymore, if they ever did.
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Exactly the sort of incompetent nonsense he said he would do and the corporate owned media is complicit.
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Everything Trump touches turns to shit, so he hired a human disease, Junior Brain Worms, to wreck the CDC because none of these animals cares about the human toll of their corrupt stupidity. They're killing children and they think it's hilarious.
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Or at least Sam Vimes, right. It could frankly do with a Vetinari as well, while we're at it.
Looking at historical parallels, Cromwell comes close ... and yet he ended up calling himself "protector of the realm", king in all but name. Bonaparte? Let's not go there. Lenin? Why, a perfect example of what the country doesn't actually need (if only because he paved the way for Stalin).
The problem with revolutions is that they never get finished in a nice, clean way. You can glorify them years later, but do look carefully at who wrote the history books.
As for the coup/revolution that is currently happening in the US, time will tell but it isn't likely to end well. After all, it started at least as far back as 1861.
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Since Malone and his ilk are deliberately spreading medical misinformation that can have direct detrimental effects on public health, I see any form of ridicule, harassment, bullying, doxxing, etc. directed towards them as completely justifiable self-defense. Make their lives miserable until they quit what they are doing.
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What makes people want to listen to, and agree, with this anti-vax stuff? If I am going to roll the dice on something so to speak then I want to go with the side where odds are lower on getting sick. For example, taking a vaccine. I can not take it and risk getting sick/death/lifelong disability or I can get the vaccine and have less chance of getting sick or less severe symptoms if I do get it. Either way I can I can suffer the worst but only one way gives me the option of less severe or immunity going forward with the added bonus of not passing it on to anyone else.
I hope this makes sense.
I hope this makes sense.
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They’ll take it as badges of honour.
You need to figure out how to take their money. Otherwise they don’t care.
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You 100% have a needle prick right away if you take an IV or IM vaccine. You won’t get the disease until later, and you might not get it at all. With a discount rate close to 1, the future doesn’t matter, so the immediate cost must be avoided.
Then they get ridiculed by friends and so they have to spin a yarn to rationalize their decision.
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The problem is no one has lived through people dying from smallpox or polio, so memory through the generations is lost and society repeats the same mistakes over and over again. When ________ hasn't happened in 60+ years, the new enemy becomes the solution that prevented the disease.
Also, self-research is a problem because there's so much bullshit out there, you can absolutely find a 'study' on anything. Honestly, as a layperson, I can't tell the difference between publications and you can find a 'study' inside a medical journal search engine littered with jargon that could tell you crap like homeopathic medicine really works, among other things. Explaining the difference between journals and publications as what's reputable or not, and why one reputable and something else isn't, is hard to figure out.
Then you see things like one of the foremost 'reputable' studies in Alzheimer's that millions of dollars of funding were dedicated towards the conclusions of to fight the disease, and the guy faked the results. Certain SSRIs in subsequent studies since they were approved by the FDA have shown not to be more effective than placebo, but since only the ones that happened during FDA approval counted, they're not later pulled from the market. Mainstream media takes some very early lab study and declares cancer or HIV cured, or constantly declares a certain food item is good or bad on a monthly basis.
All of this creates a difficult explanatory gap that simple superficial solutions and crackpots take advantage of, and many of these people have doctorates. We rely upon the 'experts' because of their doctorate status symbols so trust them, and that's the primary driving force behind believing what works or not. The issue is, bad actors can obtain these certificates of trust just as well and then make up absolute bullshit to grift from the public. Get back to nature, its how our ancestors lived, and they were happy and free! There's a lot of crackpot PhDs out there with books who do just that. I can find a person with a doctorate that says the absolute opposite of just about everything accepted, along with some anecdotal 'patient' who said this or that worked to cure just about everything.
This all creates the environment for people like RFK and his goons to exist. IMO the medical world and its studies need to be opened up on how and why they work and how to tell the difference between them, and make the explanation accessible, just the way someone can determine how a computer network or car works. It definitely seems inaccessible to understand how medical conclusions are determined versus many other fields that are equally as complex. The mechanisms of makes a scientific study valid and what's the difference between valid and invalid medical publications, and why Dr. Hibbert is correct and Dr. NIck is a quack, is something I wish was more easily accesible to point to.
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Somewhere along the line conservatives have started to declare war against science and medicine.
My grandmother was a very devout and conservative Christian but she was always very pro science and medicine, probably because she was a kid in an era where polio etc was common.
People have lost their fear and don't understand what vaccines protect them from.
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That's wonderful, I'm putting it to good use.
I bought one of those masks in the early days of the plague, and scared the hell out of a few people at work!
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Work hard in school jimmy, you'll be rewarded with better paying jobs that lean on your knowledge and skillset.
Or...be an internet conspiracy nut bar and ascend to public service in the GOP.
America is Great Again.
Or...be an internet conspiracy nut bar and ascend to public service in the GOP.
America is Great Again.
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They generally do not do a cost-risk analysis like you are doing here.
The majority of them are employing morivated reasoning. Essentially, their reasoning is they are doing what other people they look up to or associate with are doing. This kind of tribal pressure is very strong. It took a very very long time for the scientific community to move away from this kind of thinking, and it was a deliberate decision to focus on facts, and it still happens anyway in more subtle ways.
These people have "anti-vax" become part of their identity. They get accepted to parties and social groups with fellow anti-vax. They have built in nemesises to rage at, all of the outsiders. They teach their position and are consoled they are right by people in similar positions. They cannot easily reconsider their positions without facing the possibility they themselves or those they trust are wrong, which may cost them terribly, or so it seems to them at least.
You can't just tell them the numbers and the facts to change their minds. If that worked they wouldn't be on this path. They aren't stupid, not really - they are reasoning in a wholly different way, essentially trusting the wrong people. Most people are not truly stupid, their knowledge is merely specific to particular domains. But it can be very hard to convince these folks without sounding like you are talking down to them. You need to show you care about them and that the people whose snake oil they are drinking do not care, and only want them to buy more snake oil.
It is an evolution of identity marketing, basically.
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It is time for the non government affiliated AMA to pick up he reins. Not to lobby or advocate for policies from the government, but instead to issue actual advice that doctors and patients can rely on and sideline the government "faux" boards that Kennedy is creating to issue medical advice. If we do not do this or something like it, people all over the world are going to be sicker and die more often.
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"The other four appointees are Joseph R. Hibbeln, a psychiatrist; Cody Meissner, a pediatrician; James Pagano, an emergency medicine physician; and Michael Ross, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology."
At this point, Beth, I would not be surprised if you announced that the other 4 appointees were Conquest, War, Famine and Death. And the ACIP was building an adjoining stable to its office.
All becoming quite apocalyptic over there.
At this point, Beth, I would not be surprised if you announced that the other 4 appointees were Conquest, War, Famine and Death. And the ACIP was building an adjoining stable to its office.
All becoming quite apocalyptic over there.
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Probably because he literally said no one should listen to him on anything health related
And this was recently. After he was appointed. After people had criticized him.
Assuming he's being honest requires a higher burden of proof than assuming he's lying.
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Yes, despite how horrible this will make things, I do appreciate that this was not a surprise at all.
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Yeah, man, like, the malicious destruction of an entire nation's trusted healthcare systems meant to save people's lives and prevent debilitating illness, sadness, and poverty is hilarious. Just a fucken barrel of laughs.
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To add: there is also a strong feeling of "I'm fighting against the mainstream, that makes me righteous!" In general people mistake contrarianism for intelligence.
If they accept they're wrong, it means they're stupid. And because the human race has collectively decided that the value of a living thing is mostly tied to its intelligence, the implication is that they're useless. Members of social species never want to feel useless.
It's easier to prop up an entire fake reality than to accept that maybe, just maybe, you're not special.
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Without single exception, every source of antivax claims is motivated solely by money.
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While that outcome would be a good one, I am skeptical the AMA has the resources to accomplish this, even with a bunch of new private funding.
There are good reasons why some activities are done at a federal level, because they are not consistently doable on a state or private level (see: defense, FEMA, etc).
This is wholesale destruction of the federal government, with no plan B. And most of the dipshits who supported it won't live to see the horrific consequences, as this will all play out over the coming decades.
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