X suspends pro-Nazi account after two brands halt advertising
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DeschutesCore
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I'm not attacking him at all, just replying to someone else's question.
It's the immediacy of how fast he just shows up and insists we're all delusional and being theatrical. I mean, it IS a forum, so yeah, but the point stands.
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Maybe not always the face of the regime, but being an autocratic despot is not a gendered thing:
Imelda Marcos
Sheikh Hasina (the Wikipedia article on her is incredibly kind and whitewashed, probably because journalists who would edit it to criticize her have a tendency to disappear, or be macheted to death by a mob)
And then plenty of historical queens and empresses who were cruel dictators. Often illegimately as a Dowager Queen.
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Then get really angry about the EU taking 6% of it.
Unless Musk can get Twitter's userbase down low enough that the DSA won't apply to it. I'm not sure if Musk can drive away users that quickly.
Oh, that's not coming soon.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-n...-twitter-adding-concerns-moderation-rcna84190
I'm just waiting for someone to squeeze him hard enough to pop.
Metaphorically.
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Perhaps, but then that is the new reality, it's not like a platform with wide and easy reach existing is an inalienable right of humanity. I'm sure the money on the line is non-zero, but then the cost of staying is going up, associating with this crap while pretending it's still OK.
Clinging to the fast sinking ship to scrape every possible coin out of it is not a great look for any organization.
Something, possibly ActivityPub based that is a better fit for wider consumption, will surely come. Those affected, with the means, can invest in making it happen, as some orgs/companies are already trying to do - like making Mastodon itself better.
It's probably easy to armchair this and I don't see how joined at the hip with Twitter some entities are/were, but then again, the reality has changed, and the bird is truly gone, even if there isn't a replacement currently.
Edit: seeing hestermofet's numbers though, yeah. There's no excuse.
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I agree with you on point one and two, but there is definitely a problem with being digitally Nazi adjacent, and emphatically arguing that it's not a big deal, I don't even see any of these Nazis you keep talking about. Even though people point it out to you in every single Twitter frontpage article. Note Aurich's conspicuous absence in this Ars article about Nazis on Twitter. He's aware. He's very, very aware. He just chooses to tell us he's not. Ars is one of the safest spaces on the Internet, but Aurich is not Ars, and the more he doubles down on his position WRT Twitter, the more uncomfortable it becomes.
I think it's perfectly fair for people to attack someone for constantly trying to gaslight us into thinking the
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If X doesn't get rid of all Nazi content and since the US law is too lax, it should be reported to German authorities. They'll push X to act or be banned from the country. That will make them move.
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It can seem that way, no offense. And probably some of it might be because of the sort of gaslighting I mentioned in my previous post, but it's not Aurich who is responsible for that. If you're here on Ars in the comments Xitting on Aurich but not Elmo, I have sus.
Aurich isn't perfect, but I don't think he's lying when he says he sees no Nazis personally on Xitter either. I would take that at face value and ask why instead.
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By that I meant that Nazis might be trying to mess with him without his knowledge, not the sort of thing you're twisting it into.
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At the end of the day, you can always choose being a member of a motorcycle club is more important to me than boycotting Nazi businesses that just opened the doors to even more Nazis.
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The most complicated explanation is always more likely than the simpler explanation that he simply doesn't care that Twitter is replete with Nazis and owned by someone who is a Nazi in all but armband and stupid mustache. I mean, the guy keeps telling us he doesn't care. As long as you don't hang out in the Nazi neighbourhoods, or use a block list, or do X, it's perfectly ok Musk's Twitter is doing nothing about Nazis. Yet you decide it's better to make some conspiracy theory instead of accepting Aurich's plain language excuses at face value for why he's still on Twitter despite the Nazis. But sure, poor Aurich's been duped into thinking there are no Nazis on Twitter by Nazis despite many articles to that effect written by the publication that he is employed by, and we're the ones who are crazy and theatrical.
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Advertisers became more confident using “Twitter” after a rebrand? That’s like an abusive ex-boyfriend looking hawt again because he changed his name. Are advertisers that stupid?
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Every Xitter article's comments have been a trash fire for years. I don't blame him for avoiding them.
No, that's you projecting. The simplest explanation is, yeah he likely uses a blocklist or something. I think Ars should leave Xitter too, but from a standpoint of damage to Xitter alone I'd consider it a better move to stay, keep pushing (almost exclusively negative) articles about Elon, and make Elmo push the actual ban button. Banning journalists is super bad press. Throttling journalists is bad press even. If you're a regular Joe,
on the keyboard until Elmo bans you. Leaving quietly is what fascists want.Edit: Elon -> Elmo
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Because Ars is one of the few organizations writing critically about Xitter and Elmo. Also Aurich is not a fucking Nazi and those who allude to that aren't arguing in good faith.
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FIrst, it's his job to particpate. You know, in order to moderate them. Second, he DOES participate, to keep arguing why he's justified in staying on Twitter despite the Nazis.
He doesn't see Nazis, fine. Again, I ask, does he not read the Ars articles detailing all the ways in which Nazis have taken over the platform? And he's still ok with that.
I'm not talking about Ars, I'm talking about Aurich's personal account. Which would be fine except he keeps participating in front-page comment threads to tell us there's no problem with being on Twitter despite the Nazis.I think Ars should leave Xitter too, but from a standpoint of damage to Xitter alone I'd consider it a better move to stay, keep pushing (almost exclusively negative) articles about Elon, and make Elmo push the actual ban button. Banning journalists is super bad press. Throttling journalists is bad press even. If you're a regular Joe,
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Verrrrrrry interesting application of the terms "conservative" and "standard" for someone in America.
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Did I say Aurich is a Nazi? I explicitly said he is not. To continually claim I am is arguing in bad faith. This is not about Aurich being a Nazi.
JFC dude, your own quote says Aurich and not Ars:
I know you know the difference, so stop pretending that I don't.
And again, Aurich is NOT Ars. You can criticize one employee's bullshit justifications to continue to use it personally, without making any negative inferences about his employer.
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Here you are on Ars, on an article that's quite openly critical of Nazis, Xitting on Aurich but not Nazis. And I has a sus.
I know Aurich isn't a Nazi and isn't sympathetic because of how he handles threads worth moderating, which isn't Twitter threads full of drama, outsized personality, and yes, theatrics of every conceivable form.
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Yeah, all my posts in this thread up to this point have been singing the praises of Nazism.
I don't even know how to respond to such a stupid post.
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Psyborgue's been on my ignore list for years. They're a troll here to put on a show of arguing in bad faith every single time.
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Thanks for the heads-up, I don't know how I didn't realize that. I will stop wasting my and everyone else's time engaging.
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Fart jokes and noises are high brow comedy and I'll die on that hill.
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I wouldn't think so; it operates on the level of schadenfreude, so you have to put effort into making the audience want to see the character humbled. Take Wile E. Coyote, for example: all he has to do to stop getting hurt is stop hunting the Road Runner. His injuries are all, directly or indirectly, self-inflicted because of that quest.
Or Rincewind, from the Discworld books. He is introduced as greedy, cowardly, and vain. So, when he spends the rest of the first few books bouncing from insult to injury and back again, it's funny. But when he actually earns a moment of heroism, the misfortune that befalls him afterwards isn't funny; it's treated with pathos (until the next story starts, it's made clear that he's okay and still the same old coward, and then he's back to slapstick).
Slapstick has moral complexity, and punning is just playing on coincidence of sounds; I find it hard to rate the former as a lower form of humour than the latter.
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Would you have anything reporting on this?
High churn with employees seems to be something of a pattern with Elon's business. Tesla operates like this, and has for a while... as far back as the Model 3 announcement.
This is the first that I am hearing this with SpaceX, but with Starlink (it's adjacent business) the turnover is so bad that it is a joke among the IT world.
Then there is Twitter...
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The War Zone is just as useful (albeit with a slight time lag) and has the benefit of informed commentary and no requirement to wade in a cesspool.
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Celery Man
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But the vintage arcade community! You can’t just stop discussing your hobby of collecting big wooden boxes with a TV and computer inside because of little things like “Nazism” or “child porn”!
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The Ars forums scratch my social media itch. You do know these forums are social media, one assumes.
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I think it's alt-right bots. Somehow the downs almost equal the ups every time, and I think the strategy is to make it look like their side is pretty popular but if it goes down to the very bottom no one will see it so they try to keep it "neutrally bouyant". At least that's my interpretation.
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Are you Roger Horton? That sounds like an Honest Ad for X(tinct).
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well he will stop all the accounts that are posting spam... when he drives the service into the ground and gets it shutdown. can't have any accounts posting spam if there are no accounts at all.
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Yea.
But I can also promise you that, going through you (or my) house I can find things built by slave labor in one form or another. Right off the bat: clothing, shoes, and electronics are likely to contain child labor or forced-labor a-la fox con.
So, yes. Leave Twitter (I'm not on it). Decry their failure to properly shun and block Nazis. Rejoice that advertisers have taken a stand. And then, maybe, use this as a prod to start looking at the behaviors of some of the other companies we give business to. Chick-fil-a finally stopped donating to anti-LGBTQ hate groups in 2021 (though its owner still does). I suspect a lot of us were eating there.
This is not a defense of X or Musk or Nazis. Quite the opposite. Shame on them. Don't give them business. Now, let's start doing more social good by investigating and limiting our business elsewhere. Perhaps we can change the world for the better.
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