Westworld season 2: “The puppet show is over and we are coming for you”
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Good. Just hope they move past the whole "is this person real or are they really a robot? Who knows!?" They can do some excellent storylines...but let's not let it fall into gimmicky BS that marred Mr. Robot. Seriously, the whole "second personality" of Eliot/dad got really tiresome very quickly. And I think if they do more "wait, is THIS guy an android too? Or is he? Or wait...wait...is this like a million years in the future and EVERYONE is a robot, yet they don't know it? Whoa!".
I think this show is smarter than that. At least I hope.
I think this show is smarter than that. At least I hope.
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my prediction: PAIN
it won't be as good as the first season and everyone is going to get mad at it
it won't be as good as the first season and everyone is going to get mad at it
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I am way jealous you guys got to watch half the damn season so early.
Excellent writeup. Excited to see the story unfold.
Excellent writeup. Excited to see the story unfold.
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Season 1 got rather too caught up in its own mysteries and clues at the expense of proper character development.
I hope that Season 2 doesn't get hung up on the "secret project" and actually allows the meat puppets time to breathe as characters in their own right.
I hope that Season 2 doesn't get hung up on the "secret project" and actually allows the meat puppets time to breathe as characters in their own right.
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As someone who obsessed over the first season and who identifies as a fan first and foremost, my feelings on S2 so far are positive. You're right in that it's difficult to re-capture the magic of the first season, and season 2 doesn't try—it has its own new tricks, and it does different things.
Personally, I'm very happy—at least with the first five eps. There's basically zero filler in any of them. The season starts at warp speed and doesn't slow down.
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Wait, it’s a Trek reboot now, too?
You said no spoilers!
What’s your address? I know it’s in Houston...
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There's always someone mad that it didn't meet their personal expectations.
Best thing I can ever do going into sequels and new seasons of something I love; hold my hype in check, have an open mind, and keep my expectations as low as possible.
I'd recommend that for anyone, but I know it's not realistic for many.
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Why do you think I put "How many parks do you see?" for one of the image captions?
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Oh man, that sweet smile at the end of the trailer with "Why would you ever be frightened of me?"
So looking forward to this season.
So looking forward to this season.
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I'm in the process of watching 3 shows concurrently right now. Need to wrap them all up. Then re-subscribe to HBO for a month. Then re-watch Westworld season 1. Then watch season 2.
Oh shit, I forgot I have to fit work and real life in there somewhere too.
Next 5 or 6 weeks are gonna be busy.
Oh shit, I forgot I have to fit work and real life in there somewhere too.
Next 5 or 6 weeks are gonna be busy.
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I really, really enjoyed the first season, however;
If you were a fan of keeping track of multiple time periods in season one, season two will be right up your alley.
I found the multiple time periods shtick a bit needless. Sure, show multiple time periods if you want, but why make it a big reveal, aha moment? Trying to impress M Night?
If you were a fan of keeping track of multiple time periods in season one, season two will be right up your alley.
I found the multiple time periods shtick a bit needless. Sure, show multiple time periods if you want, but why make it a big reveal, aha moment? Trying to impress M Night?
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The wife and I did not like the multiple timelines in S1 and we both ended that season looking at each other and shrugging. Yes, there were some great spots (the finale in particular) but overall, it was a show too busy trying to be clever and patting itself on the back for it. Honestly, not sure we're going to try to make it through S2, although this article gives me hope.
(Aside from S2 having yet more multiple timelines to track. UUUUUUGGGGHHH.)
(Aside from S2 having yet more multiple timelines to track. UUUUUUGGGGHHH.)
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This was my objection to the multiple timelines theory before it was confirmed. In fact, I thought the creators were nudging us away from that kind of thinking with Ford's speech in s01e02:
"The guests don’t return for the obvious things we do, the garish things. They come back because of the subtleties. The details. They come back because they discover something they imagine no one had ever noticed before."
I was hopeful that Ford slagging on "garish things" meant that the show itself was going to avoid some of the more obvious sci-fi tropes (most particularly "OMG BERNARD WAS A HOST ALL ALONG!" and "OMG BILLY WAS THE MAN IN BLACK ALL ALONG!"), because IMO the show was doing great as a slow-burning exploration of the nature of consciousness without throwing in a bunch of timey-wimey hand-waving. (As an aside, I would watch the shit out of a Tarkovsky version of this show—every episode would just be people staring off into space and slowly talking through what "consciousness" means. Mmmmmmmmm.)
But I'm over it. Season one was great, even if it didn't unfold how I would have preferred. And that's what art really is—art doesn't have to be (and often shouldn't be) affirmative. Art should show you what the creator wants you to see, regardless of what you want. Viewing someone else's creation often requires no small amount of vulnerability on the viewer's part, to be willing to be open to whatever the artist is trying to convey.
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People fought the multiple time periods thing so hard, it was weird. I'll be honest - I didn't realize until people started talking about it, but then I went "oh, yeah. That makes sense." It seemed fine to me, just a way of showing the repetition of events in the park but not literally saying "We're in the past now, look, it's exactly the same as the present."
I'll agree that they didn't need to try to pull a "dramatic reveal." I think things would have flowed just as well if they'd had everything but the "I'm William!" scene. It was beyond obvious at that point, and the dramatic Big No moment seemed overwrought.
I'll agree that they didn't need to try to pull a "dramatic reveal." I think things would have flowed just as well if they'd had everything but the "I'm William!" scene. It was beyond obvious at that point, and the dramatic Big No moment seemed overwrought.
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This is basically my opinion too. Season 1 got so wrapped around the axle trying to hide the twists that it became comical at points. There was also a fair number of idiot balls passed around in order to make the story work. I'm hoping S2 tries to be less cutesy and focuses more on solid worldbuilding and character development.
The review sounds promising, I'll definitely give it a shot.
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I watched Resurrection Ship, Part 1 last night - way to spoil the Admiral Caine episodes!
/s of course, and I have seen the rebooted Battlestar series before, but I'm currently re-watching them and it is spooky that last night I got as far as the beginning of the exact referenced episode above!
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Yeah this is how I feel. It is not a deal-breaker or anything because I enjoyed it so much. I just think the showrunner/writers now need to mature/evolve a bit more and drop the shennanigans. When I go to a house party, I prefer good conversation over party games.
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I really enjoyed the first season and this sounds like good news for S2. The one thing that bugged me, though, is that:
*S1 spoilers*
They had two characters play the man in black, but in the flashbacks with Anthony Hopkins, they CGI'd a younger him. Does that not bug anybody else? Inconsistent!
*S1 spoilers*
They had two characters play the man in black, but in the flashbacks with Anthony Hopkins, they CGI'd a younger him. Does that not bug anybody else? Inconsistent!
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I have to say I do love the guns on this show. The Man in Black's LeMat cartridge conversion revolver is just cool as all hell.
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1) If the professor doesn't show up for 15 minutes, we are all allowed to leavethanks for spoiling BSG for me!
2) If an episode of a show aired more than 10 years ago, we are all allowed to spoil it as part of a larger discussion about common themes.
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I'm pretty sure he's in Clear Lake somewhere, Just down the road from my office right now. I'd drive down there to start binging episodes right now if invited...
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thanks for spoiling BSG for me!
You forgot to put in the sarcasm tag. Either that or the idiot tag... but i still love you!
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we need a Poe's law tagthanks for spoiling BSG for me!
You forgot to put in the sarcasm tag. Either that or the idiot tag... but i still love you!
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Didn't Ian/forgotten Wepons actually review that pistol? Or did he just talk about it when reviewing a real one?
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The LeMat in the show is not a functional cartridge conversion. It's a prop gun that fires blanks only.
However, there are real ones out there available.
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My body is ready..... I've been preparing for this moment for so long, now that it is almost here, I begin to doubt if my mind can handle the twists and timeline jumps again.
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They made it pretty clear that the "reveries" were not written by Ford, but long ago by Arnold.
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I am very hyped to see the next season.
Yes, it could be disappointing (True Detective S2 I am looking at you...) but they did a masterful job of both closing S1 and setting S2 and that gives me confidence in the writing team to continue doing impressive things with the show.
Yes, it could be disappointing (True Detective S2 I am looking at you...) but they did a masterful job of both closing S1 and setting S2 and that gives me confidence in the writing team to continue doing impressive things with the show.
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I've logged in mostly for fun to cancel out some of the petty downvotes on the posts discussing the firearms in the show. I know this is a liberal site, but grow up guys.
I also have to laugh at people complaining about mulitple times lines. It wasn't really hard to keep track of at all. Now, go and play/watch Steins;Gate, or the Zero Escape games and come back and talk to me about confusing timelines.
Anyway, excited for season 2, and the trailer was great.
I also have to laugh at people complaining about mulitple times lines. It wasn't really hard to keep track of at all. Now, go and play/watch Steins;Gate, or the Zero Escape games and come back and talk to me about confusing timelines.
Anyway, excited for season 2, and the trailer was great.
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The multiple timelines didn't bother me, but what really took me out of the show was the fact that we're supposed to seriously believe the timeline is 35 years long. 10 or 15 years would have been more believable, but 35? No way.
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Correct. I meant that Ford applied the update, which kicked the whole thing off. I didn't want to get too much into a recap of S1, because there's nothing there I can say that you guys don't know already and you all presumably want to read more about S2.
But we should give Ford a lot of credit. The front half of S2 shows how a lot of his plan plays out in the immediate aftermath of the Delos board dinner party massacre, and it very quickly becomes obvious that Ford was very, very busy in the days leading up it.
Yeah, this is definitely not a True Detective s2 situation. If you loved WW season 1, you'll love WW season 2—at least, the front half of it. Can't speak to the back half. Gotta wait like six weeks before I can weigh in on any of those episodes!
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No fan of spoilers myself, but I love BSG, and can say that it was remarkably tiny as far as spoilers anyway. The meaty facts revealed happen early in the pilot, and were never treated as a secret. There are big mysteries in BSG, but you didn't go near them.1) If the professor doesn't show up for 15 minutes, we are all allowed to leavethanks for spoiling BSG for me!
2) If an episode of a show aired more than 10 years ago, we are all allowed to spoil it as part of a larger discussion about common themes.
Looking so forward to Season 2 of Westworld. Thanks for a good spoiler-free review. Love the section headings. Apparently I'm immune to bother about the timelines issue. It mostly seems like a different way of doing flashbacks, and quality flashbacks have been used to great effect for decades as a way of showing us characters' pasts rather than telling us. I have friends who went with the flow and didn't try to dissect everything about the show, and were blown away by the reveal. Even if hardcore fans have poured over everything and figured it out, that doesn't mean there isn't another part of the audience, possibly a far larger part, that enjoys the surprises as they were intended to be experienced.
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I loved season 1 of this show, and will gladly watch season 2. However, I'd like to re-watch season 1 before watching 2 but I just don't have the time. Is there a good place I can go to get a summary of season 1 instead of rewatching the whole season?
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