Watch the Rimac’s electric hypercar demolish its rivals on the quarter-mile

Even Ludicrous mode is no match for Rimac's powertrain.

Read the whole story

 

[tipoo]

Wonder how it does on a track. I love what Tesla does, but its fans sure love straight line tests as proving something against other cars, when its performance on a track starts to get sapped by heat, so, say, a Porsche it beat in a straight line would come ahead in a twisty track.

Wonder how this new car does there.

 

[AnchorClanker]

Einstein76[/url]":2tsfur5u]

Statistical[/url]":2tsfur5u]

aaronb1138[/url]":2tsfur5u]

ScifiGeek[/url]":2tsfur5u]Million dollar, 2 seat concept car vs 100K production car proves what exactly?

And in a straight line you can beat all three with a sub $10k junk yard turbo special.

Nonsense. Please provide an example. Show me any vehicle powered by any method which can do sub 10 second quarter mile for $10K in cost.

I agree. It's also worth pointing out that the little bit of wiggling when the cars are accelerating would be seen with any driver behind the wheel. When you are putting that much torque to the ground the car is going to try and break free.

I've always been a sports car person though I have occasionally participated in drag racing at various levels. My experience is that unless a performance car is specifically engineered for standing start acceleration there will be some moving around on launch. Even some purpose built drag racing machines (I'm looking at you, AA Fuel Altered) are controlled chaos on launch.
The methods that make for an optimal standing start are usually not good for cornering or comfort either.

 

[Uxorious]

The most interesting point of this article to me is the fact that the Ferrari is a hybrid, which in the LaFerrari is likely optimized for overall performance on the track and not the strip or the street, but shows how rapidly EV technology is invading even the most conservative corners of the automotive world - the tradition of Ferrari.

For a company that has only produced a handful of turbo cars in their 69 year history (F40, 308 GTB, California T), preferring naturally aspirated power and a sonorous and unmuffled exhaust note, adding hybrid power so quickly is recognition of the capability and importance of electric technology.

Ferrari has spent large amounts of money to engineer around the advantages of turbocharged engines, but this test proves that there is nothing left in the internal combusion toolbox that can compensate for the advantages of hybrid technology. Tesla's performance / $ ratio proves that electric motors alone have the potential to equal the best combustion engines have to offer if (once) battery technology advances to the point where the power-to-weight ratio can equal the Ferrari.

Ferrari's unsolved challenge is finding a replacement for the wail of their V8 engine at 8,000 rpm in a future fully electric model without resorting to synthetic sound; tuned, straight-cut gears perhaps?

 

[jack1234]

Curious video - I do wonder why the never post actual times (just side by side runs) and the Wikipedia articles for the Rimac and the Tesla P90D ludicrous have them both at 2.8 0-60.

Without actual numbers from the video, I'd have to say the results are suspect at best

And, to follow that up with another link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... celeration
has the LaFerrari at 2.4, and the best time from the P90D is 2.6

 

[Statistical]

jack1234[/url]":38iftzx3]Curious video - I do wonder why the never post actual times (just side by side runs) and the Wikipedia articles for the Rimac and the Tesla P90D ludicrous have them both at 2.8 0-60.

Without actual numbers from the video, I'd have to say the results are suspect at best

Looking at 0-60 and nothing else only matters if you are maxing out at 60 mph. Beyond 60 mph you start needing a crazy amount of power just to overcome drag (and avoid slowing down) on top of the power needed so you can continue to accelerate.

This is one reason why supercars have such insane (horse)power. Power to overcome drag increases by the cube of the speed. So going twice as fast doesn't require twice the power it requires eight times the power. Even something modest like going 10% faster requires a not so insignificant 33% more power (1.1^3 = 1.331). If you have two vehicles with similar 0-60 times but one has twice the power pretty quickly the lower powered vehicle will be using a greater fraction of its output just overcoming drag leaving it less power to accelerate.

Now if you were drag racing in a vacuum that would be a different story. Yet another reason to build a lunar colony.

 

[jack1234]

Statistical[/url]":2s5rhuqz]
Looking at 0-60 and nothing else only matters if you are maxing out at 60 mph. Beyond 60 mph you start needing a crazy amount of power just to overcome drag (and avoid slowing down) on top of the power needed so you can continue to accelerate.

I'm not suggesting that beyond 0-60 the Tesla would win, what I'm saying is that in the video the Tesla doesn't even compete 0-60, when in fact it *should*, and without actual numbers being posted by the people who did the video, you really can't trust their methodology or their results.

 

[Xelliz]

Holy crap, the guy driving the Ferrari was asleep at the wheel.

The article even tells us that the Rimac posted a best 9.92 1/4 mile time, where as Car and Driver was able to get a 9.8 in the Ferrari. That alone tells us which car is faster without having to worry about a lethargic driver.

 

[pug fugly]

Drag "racing" is pointless and does nothing to qualify a car as fast. Throw them into the S's and see what happens. That's where fast matters.

 

[S8ER01Z]

Statistical[/url]":2vhsvxhw]

aaronb1138[/url]":2vhsvxhw]

ScifiGeek[/url]":2vhsvxhw]Million dollar, 2 seat concept car vs 100K production car proves what exactly?

And in a straight line you can beat all three with a sub $10k junk yard turbo special.

Nonsense. Please provide an example. Show me any vehicle powered by any method which can do sub 10 second quarter mile for $10K in cost. Hell show me one which can do it for $50K.

10K is pushing it (if including cost of car) but LS1Tech is full of examples doing it for less than 50K.

Foxbody guys have been going single digits on a budget for decades.... F-Body cars have done it too... plenty of examples out there.
http://www.superchevy.com/features/0608 ... m-feature/

 

[S8ER01Z]

pug fugly[/url]":12cibma2]Drag "racing" is pointless and does nothing to qualify a car as fast. Throw them into the S's and see what happens. That's where fast matters.

I agree with almost everything you said (I spent last Friday at Raceway Park of the Midlands)... I don't think drag racing is completely pointless IMHO but it's not the ONLY metric we should be looking at.

 

[Onyx Spartan II]

Xelliz[/url]":2zvqrnyh]Holy crap, the guy driving the Ferrari was asleep at the wheel.

The article even tells us that the Rimac posted a best 9.92 1/4 mile time, where as Car and Driver was able to get a 9.8 in the Ferrari. That alone tells us which car is faster without having to worry about a lethargic driver.

Was that a Ferrari that was specially tuned by the factory, not a standard customer car?

 

[lukarak]

MaxArt[/url]":38hu4e9k]Meh, never understood the enthusiasm around quarter-mile sprinters. After all, it's not the sheer acceleration that makes a great car. For that, you need to test it on a real circuit, at least.

I could imagine that some might be fond of a pilot's skills to win a drag race, but that's all.

Well, sprint can be done by anybody. On any empty road. That's the metric that is the most impressive. Corners, you can't really do it safely on public roads, and 99.99% of people won't go to the track once in their lives. So for most people, the only part of the car's performance is acceleration.

 

[jeffery.t.general@students.cookman.edu]

If I ever buy a million car it better be able to beat a telsa , 500 miles per hour , and fly, go under water, pay the electric bill, and refuel itself.

 

[AnchorClanker]

Xelliz[/url]":2w2yubk9]Holy crap, the guy driving the Ferrari was asleep at the wheel.

The article even tells us that the Rimac posted a best 9.92 1/4 mile time, where as Car and Driver was able to get a 9.8 in the Ferrari. That alone tells us which car is faster without having to worry about a lethargic driver.

This is all academic. Everybody knows that the only important metric is whether you can beat the other car to the next stoplight.

 

[lukarak]

MdNvS[/url]":22r85h69]
+1 and a laugh, although I have to be pedantic and say it should be at least "South Eastern" - nobody here in Croatia ever said we're "Eastern" Europe or Eastern anything else. Even Yugoslavia translates into "South Slav land". ;-)

South yes, but South-central Europe. Croatia is closer to the westernmost part of France than it is to the Easternmost part of Ukraine which is an east european country. We have nothing eastern in our History, through our history we were under the influence of Austria and (northern) Italy the most and have much more in common with them than with eastern european nations.

 

[lukarak]

Xelliz[/url]":3rptph4c]Holy crap, the guy driving the Ferrari was asleep at the wheel.

The article even tells us that the Rimac posted a best 9.92 1/4 mile time, where as Car and Driver was able to get a 9.8 in the Ferrari. That alone tells us which car is faster without having to worry about a lethargic driver.

Well, you have to have the same tarmac to compare. And run 2 doesn't look too bad in reaction times. Plus, it is way behind even for starting lag.

 

[JustQuestions]

jeffery.t.general@students.cookman.edu[/url]":1jxqxlf7]If I ever buy a million car it better be able to beat a telsa , 500 miles per hour , and fly, go under water, pay the electric bill, and refuel itself.

Yup. I'm with you.

For whatever bizarre fucked up reason, society is obsessed with cars as a fashion symbol. People wear their cars like it is a piece of jewelry or nice clothing.

The real purists will even babble incoherently about the "engineering beauty" of the sports cars, or talk about the virtues of different kinds of racing.

Boys are taught at a young age that having an expensive car makes you cool and desirable as a person. Ew.

Having worked plenty in a machine shop myself, I was indoctrinated away from cars early on, because getting things done in the real world means using machines that are built with electric motors.

To me, engineering beauty is simplicity in design and flexibility in result, like the geometry of a lathe and how it only has exactly as many moving parts as necessary, with the key features being how geometrically perfect it is, such as how flat the ways are.

An internal combustion engine looks like a Rube Goldberg Machine to me, just a messy, noisy, ridiculous and inefficient contraption that barely lasts, spewing waste gas out into the open. The second you start using it, it's already breaking itself apart. Disgusting.

 

[AnchorClanker]

"Boys are taught at a young age that having an expensive car makes you cool and desirable as a person. Ew."

I take it that you didn't go to High School in America.

 

[JustQuestions]

AnchorClanker[/url]":3dq30kfr]"Boys are taught at a young age that having an expensive car makes you cool and desirable as a person. Ew."

I take it that you didn't go to High School in America.

Of course I did. And are you disagreeing, or....?

 

[AnchorClanker]

I shouldn't have sidled up to my point. When I was in HS long ago, a guy could have full blown leprosy and he'd still have a cheerleader riding with him if Mom and Dad bought him a new GTO.

 

[jimcox]

jbauer5[/url]":8png9pvw]

Makes you wonder just how fast the P100D is going to be, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't. I love Tesla, and I'm definitely going to own one someday but it doesn't come close to the performance of a LaFerrari. Maybe in 10-15 years.

You'll take the Ferrari on a track, you'd never do it with the Tesla. After lap 3 it'll go into reduced propulsion mode because the batteries can't take the heat. The Tesla can't corner like the Ferrari, it doesn't have the high end speed, etc, etc, etc.

The real question is if the Concept_One has any cornering ability! A fast drag time is impressive, but can it run with the LaFerrari, Porsche 918, and McLaren P1 on the track?

Apples and oranges. If Tesla comes out with an updated roadster, then maybe there would be some basis for comparison with a Ferrari. Small and light means not very much range for an electric car though, so a new roadster may not come for a long time. There will be a lot more electric competition going forward since it can obviously increase acceleration from a stop significantly. Tesla has done continuous improvement of their designs, so I would expect more range and/or better performance out of a new configuration. I don't know if they are going to radically change the motors anytime soon though. I would expect a P100D to offer similar performance to the current P90D.

 

[aki009]

This video is known as sponsored content. But this sponsored content has had its intended impact on me: now I want to know more about this contender from Croatia.

 

[aaronb1138]

Matty[/url]":3u05ebzs]

Statistical[/url]":3u05ebzs]

aaronb1138[/url]":3u05ebzs]

ScifiGeek[/url]":3u05ebzs]Million dollar, 2 seat concept car vs 100K production car proves what exactly?

And in a straight line you can beat all three with a sub $10k junk yard turbo special.

Nonsense. Please provide an example. Show me any vehicle powered by any method which can do sub 10 second quarter mile for $10K in cost. Hell show me one which can do it for $50K.

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgGgShB1iHQ

More details of the build here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5k67A8tKto

721whp 17lbs of boost 270,000 mile 5.3, isky triple 12cam, ls1 intake, china studs, pac1218 springs, S476r From forced inductions.com
reiners hotside, ebay intercooler, washer fluid meth kit, 80lb injectos, single bosch 044 pump, sumped stock tank, 4l80e, circle D converter, 8.8 rear.

https://sites.google.com/site/sloppywik ... irmont-3-0

This recipe is pretty well worn now.

https://sites.google.com/site/sloppywik ... ardturbols

Go over to ls1tech.com forced induction forums and see a bunch of junkyard builds going this quick for not much money.

China turbos capable of making a 10 second car are down the $400 range these days, and junkyard LS truck motors can be had for $500 or less.

Thanks Matty, I was going to just post this one, http://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-110 ... -maverick/ though it's only a 10 second build for $5k, so I could see some argument.

I used to keep up with the Junkyard Turbo group on Yahoo, and there are lots of cheap builds out there to rocket down a straight line. One member was fond of this signature: "Cheap. Fast. Reliable. You only get to pick 2."

If you can handle the old school vBulletin look, http://www.theturboforums.com/forums/22 ... Turbo-Tech has tons of builds.

I believe the current 1JZ-GTE crowd can import the motor for about $1500, build into any of several Toyota / Lexus bodies costing $2-10k, and the bigger turbos, injectors, and management can be done around $2-5k depending on how long you want it to last. Those guys start tuning at 650 HP in ~3000lb cars and usually aim for 800-1000HP when they are done. Sticky tires and that will put you in the 8-9s as well.

 

[aventari]

Statistical[/url]":3cycnxqf]

aaronb1138[/url]":3cycnxqf]

ScifiGeek[/url]":3cycnxqf]Million dollar, 2 seat concept car vs 100K production car proves what exactly?

And in a straight line you can beat all three with a sub $10k junk yard turbo special.

Nonsense. Please provide an example. Show me any vehicle powered by any method which can do sub 10 second quarter mile for $10K in cost. Hell show me one which can do it for $50K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWU4t2AG4Pg

1982 Ford Fairmont, $500 junkyard LSx, sub 10 seconds.

 

[Matty]

Thanks Matty, I was going to just post this one, http://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-110 ... -maverick/ though it's only a 10 second build for $5k, so I could see some argument.

I used to keep up with the Junkyard Turbo group on Yahoo, and there are lots of cheap builds out there to rocket down a straight line. One member was fond of this signature: "Cheap. Fast. Reliable. You only get to pick 2."

If you can handle the old school vBulletin look, http://www.theturboforums.com/forums/22 ... Turbo-Tech has tons of builds.

I believe the current 1JZ-GTE crowd can import the motor for about $1500, build into any of several Toyota / Lexus bodies costing $2-10k, and the bigger turbos, injectors, and management can be done around $2-5k depending on how long you want it to last. Those guys start tuning at 650 HP in ~3000lb cars and usually aim for 800-1000HP when they are done. Sticky tires and that will put you in the 8-9s as well.

The LSx guys are right into the megasquirts:

http://www.efisource.com/shop/ms3-lsx-plug-and-play/

$1300 for a plug and play ecu capable of managing a V8 in boost. Should work equally well on 4 & 6 cyl.

There was a time when the it was open source and you can still find the code, but I think they have gone proprietary.

You can set them up to do boost control with boost by gear, 2-step, anti-lag, traction control, and have lots of engine protection (cut fuel/spark on overboost, low oil pressure, low fuel pressure, high AFR).

In one of the sloppy builds he had a potentiometer on his dash to set the target boost of the gold box. From 5psi for street driving up to 18psi or so.

Really the big costs in going fast these days are in the safety gear. Cage, harness, suit, chute etc.

 

[Matty]

Mother f*cker jones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Ni2gPo5Us

New set of non-bald tires and running at sea level would see 9s.

 

[Superhai]

This is basically a sponsored YouTube-kid having fun with expensive toys. However some commentators miss the point. Tesla is the most popular electric car company with sports models so it is not unnatural to compare it with another electric car, even if it is not mass produced. All three cars have electric drive and it's also the theme for the video. LaFerrari have a smaller one in a hybrid, but they work in tandem to increase acceleration. This is not a review and should not be scrutinized as such.

 

[deanrozz]

Thanks Matty, I was going to just post this one, http://www.hotrod.com/articles/ccrp-110 ... -maverick/ though it's only a 10 second build for $5k, so I could see some argument.

I used to keep up with the Junkyard Turbo group on Yahoo, and there are lots of cheap builds out there to rocket down a straight line. One member was fond of this signature: "Cheap. Fast. Reliable. You only get to pick 2."

If you can handle the old school vBulletin look, http://www.theturboforums.com/forums/22 ... Turbo-Tech has tons of builds.

I believe the current 1JZ-GTE crowd can import the motor for about $1500, build into any of several Toyota / Lexus bodies costing $2-10k, and the bigger turbos, injectors, and management can be done around $2-5k depending on how long you want it to last. Those guys start tuning at 650 HP in ~3000lb cars and usually aim for 800-1000HP when they are done. Sticky tires and that will put you in the 8-9s as well.

There was a time when the it was open source and you can still find the code, but I think they have gone proprietary.

I have spent considerable time looking over the source code all the way back from the EFI332 through to MS3 to compare how they do things to how I did them on my ECU. It's not actually that hard to perform all the math necessary to calculate proper fuel/ignition. What's difficult is the timing. Specifically, taking the course timing you'd get from a 60-2 trigger wheel and calculating timing to a higher resolution (say 1/2 degree) while taking into account changes in RPM and even changes in crankshaft speed that occur immediately after ignition.

To simplify things I just developed a custom digital crankshaft trigger wheel that outputs 1440 pulses per revolution giving me 1/4 degree accuracy and no math involved. One pulse always equals 1/4 degree regardless of RPM or combustion strokes. This made my code much simpler as I no longer had to do any calculations regarding time. Now triggering injectors and coils is literally nothing more than watching a counter and waiting until it hits a certain number.

/nerd

 

[realwarder]

Next: let's see it vs a F1 car...

 

[Rrr7]

lukarak[/url]":2ch8lido]

MdNvS[/url]":2ch8lido]
+1 and a laugh, although I have to be pedantic and say it should be at least "South Eastern" - nobody here in Croatia ever said we're "Eastern" Europe or Eastern anything else. Even Yugoslavia translates into "South Slav land". ;-)

South yes, but South-central Europe. Croatia is closer to the westernmost part of France than it is to the Easternmost part of Ukraine which is an east european country. We have nothing eastern in our History, through our history we were under the influence of Austria and (northern) Italy the most and have much more in common with them than with eastern european nations.

no matter how hard you try to make a slavic country not part of the slavic culture doesn't make it so LOL
ignoring geography and history in the process gives you bonus points

 

[Carsmofo]

icwhatudidthere[/url]":1korynq9]Anyone notice in the post race comments, the LaFerrari says "Limited Edition 1/499"?

ETA: Looks like that's on all LaFerraris.

that just means the car is one out of 499 limited edition cars. it's not an indicative of any numerical production order. I think it's a smart move since it makes everyone feel just as special, regardless of whether they were the first or last to receive the cars.

 

[CliffRoot]

icwhatudidthere[/url]":20dgqo0j]Anyone notice in the post race comments, the LaFerrari says "Limited Edition 1/499"?

ETA: Looks like that's on all LaFerraris.

the plate number on the back though is a dead give away as to the owner

 

[ScifiGeek]

Dr Gitlin[/url]":wyk3yr79]

ScifiGeek[/url]":wyk3yr79]Million dollar, 2 seat concept car vs 100K production car proves what exactly?

Well, it's not a concept car, that's just the name—they are selling a few. But I suppose you could take home the fact that despite its weight the P90D is bonkers-quick in a straight line? Possibly even as fast as a $2 million Ferrari?

Do we have any evidence that they have actually sold any? They have been talking about entering production for years, but have they done more than than build a a couple of prototypes.

 

[wiak]

is it just me or did anyone else notice it almost lift off? if it hit a bump it would probably orbit the planet about now

 

[orangebag]

schizrade[/url]":23so83ia]

lanisan[/url]":23so83ia]

elh[/url]":23so83ia]1. Truly worried about the cars in the hands of that Hamilton kid.
He waves his hands about, keeps fidgeting with the wheel, the hand position is nothing like a racing driver, not to mention lack of a helmet which would surely spoil his hair.
2. As others are saying Tesla is much more practical and almost as good, but it's good that there is competition, especially so from a small start-up, keeps the innovation going and prices low. I wish both companies well.

I'd also say, after watching the clip a few times over, it seems he was slower to respond off the line. Not that the Tesla was ever going to beat either car, but, it may have done just a hair better.

No crap. Put 2 F1 drivers behind the wheels and call me again...

why?
The criteria for owning expensive cars are:
lots of money and an interest in cars, not racing experience.
This is probably quite representative of what will be done with them by their owners

 

[S8ER01Z]

orangebag[/url]":1wdz9zcr]

schizrade[/url]":1wdz9zcr]

lanisan[/url]":1wdz9zcr]

elh[/url]":1wdz9zcr]1. Truly worried about the cars in the hands of that Hamilton kid.
He waves his hands about, keeps fidgeting with the wheel, the hand position is nothing like a racing driver, not to mention lack of a helmet which would surely spoil his hair.
2. As others are saying Tesla is much more practical and almost as good, but it's good that there is competition, especially so from a small start-up, keeps the innovation going and prices low. I wish both companies well.

I'd also say, after watching the clip a few times over, it seems he was slower to respond off the line. Not that the Tesla was ever going to beat either car, but, it may have done just a hair better.

No crap. Put 2 F1 drivers behind the wheels and call me again...

why?
The criteria for owning expensive cars are:
lots of money and an interest in cars, not racing experience.
This is probably quite representative of what will be done with them by their owners

True, it would be nice to see a legit comparison instead of EV clickbait. I mean if I want to watch people fail at driving I can head over to youtube... oh wait.

 

[BulkyZ]

"Tesla is almost able to keep the Rimac honest, at least off the line; not bad for a car with almost half the power and an extra 1,000lbs/454kg of mass."

"Lead sleds" are great off the line. That extra weight is a huge boon for that teslas short track performance, allowing it to put down much Much more torque down off the line.

 

[BulkyZ]

Statistical[/url]":1z81l5j6]

aaronb1138[/url]":1z81l5j6]

ScifiGeek[/url]":1z81l5j6]Million dollar, 2 seat concept car vs 100K production car proves what exactly?

And in a straight line you can beat all three with a sub $10k junk yard turbo special.

Nonsense. Please provide an example. Show me any vehicle powered by any method which can do sub 10 second quarter mile for $10K in cost. Hell show me one which can do it for $50K.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... hx2TklhxjQ

Links to a Colorado with a LS based engine / trans out of a van and a eBay special turbo. Might be over 10k for all parts onvolved. Might. that truck, tubbed bed and some slicks, traction bars...maybe a swap to a 4 link in The back and you are there. 9sec times aren't hard to get of you are willing to say "build for fast. F everything else."

 

[Ezzy Black]

After all, Car and Driver coaxed a 9.8-second quarter-mile out of Ferrari's most ferocious vehicle, although the publication notes that it did so under careful scrutiny at Maranello.

Ferrari has long been accused of only allowing their cars to be tested under Ferrari's rules. Your purchase contract specifically forbids you from allowing your car to be tested when you buy one. When you see a magazine test of a Ferrari rest assured there was an army of engineers from Italy overseeing everything.

 

[tripodal]

jbauer5[/url]":qvzfe4tz]

ewelch[/url]":qvzfe4tz]Electric cars win because they have maximum torque at 0 rpm. No chance for a conventional car to beat them off the line.

Good thing the LaFerrari is a hybrid

And guys, let me know when you find any car that launches at 0 rpm. electric isn't taking the 1/4mile record anytime soon.
*edit link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pFgQW-Y21M