War with...Iran?

[AdrianS]

The other option is offering money/resources and create some kind of share power system within Iran. Given the water and economic situation, the Iranian leadership may be willing to compromise. That still has a high risk of failure but still better than the "bomb now and bomb more" plan.

Diplomatic would feel a lot less "alpha male" though, and the leadership may not want to look humiliated if diplomacy fails.

Only a madman would trust any agreement with the Trump regime.
So your suggestion is a non-starter.

 

[AdrianS]

It's worth remembering that although people may not like the current regime, they may still not welcome foreign invaders.

 

[AdrianS]

Trump getting manipulated by Netanyahu into attacking Iran, do Israel's dirty work.

Making Americans targets for terrorists.

While I despise Trump, this isn't new.
The US has been Israel's patsy for as long as I can remember.

 

[AdrianS]

I can confirm from personal experience (6 years Navy) that an over-extended deployment will cause accidents and other issues with the crew. Sewage problems? That's going to have a huge impact, life on ship is rough enough!

Hasn't the USN already had a string of issues & collisions in the last few years at least partly due to undermanning / overstretching the crew?

 

[AdrianS]

Infuriating but not surprising. Really seems like Netanyahu is calling the shots in DC.

It's astonishing the extent that US politicians in both sides are owned by Israel.

 

[AdrianS]

I'm not sure that this counts as shooting oneself in the foot. After all, from the Trump perspective, this is largely about noise and light. I don't think he really has anything to say to the Iranian people, nor do I think Trump's "demands they surrender" are intended for Iranian consumption. Instead, that's all about looking strong while bombing Iranians.



Well, that's not going to do anything good for inflation.



/doubt.

I mean, much like the Pope, killing the Grand Ayotollah doesn't permanently remove anything. Instead it just leaves an empty seat that will soon be filled by, if not his current closest circle, someone close enough to that that the difference is meaningless. There will obviously be a next Grand Ayotollah who will most likely be largely indistinguishable from the previous. And it isn't like simply killing the Grand Ayotollah is going to overthrow the government of Iran; if anything, it will do the opposite*. Not to mention the broader implications of having killed a religious leader.

* The surest way to get internal rebels to rally around a government they despise is to start indiscriminately dropping bombs. Bombing might be useful for destroying military assets, they are not, however, useful for convincing an enemy to surrender.



So, first, I don't think you can assume that all the women don't want a theocracy. I mean, take a look at the Christian Nationalist movement in the United States: plenty of women emphatically do want theocracy. And, as for the population of Iran, you might stand a better chance of being correct, but, frankly, dropping bombs on them isn't likely to convince them of anything.



Holy Islamophobia batman.



Right, because Trump and Netanyahu have a really really clear idea of exactly what they are doing in Iran beyond making things go boom....... sigh Though, I guess that, for many, that's reason enough.

The poster you're replying to has previously claimed to be an Islamophobe (in the Israel thread).

I believe them.

 

[AdrianS]

the islamic world - however much it has been portrayed as the 'next big enemy' only needs to be properly bombed into submission from time to time.

Why not bomb Malaysia and Indonesia as well - there are more Muslims there than in Iran, so you'll get to inflict even more death and suffering.

 

[AdrianS]

If you want to talk about deliberately killing kids, pregnant women and infirm, send your outrage to Moscow.

Or Israel.

 

[AdrianS]

I have no idea what the US wants or expects, but it's pretty clear Israel wants a broken Iran.

I honestly believe Israel would be oppsed to (and afraid of) a powerful and democratic Iranian republic.

 

[AdrianS]

Actually, I think I am the one that gets it...

I am 100% aware of the fact that the United States was founded as a smattering of European colonies. I am 100% aware of the fact that they speak Spanish in both Central and South America even though that's not a language indigenous to either. I am 100% aware that Europeans decimated the continent of Africa. I am 100% aware of the fact that Christianity would not have even spread if it wasn't, initially, for Hellenization and then subsequently due to the Roman Empire.

I am 100% aware that Europe sprouted two of the worst and most vile wars in living memory that subsequently led to the rise of both the USSR and US as global powers, due to their own inability to contain it.

Europe is basically the genetic melting pot and cultural mind virus that's infected the world with utter nonsense for over two thousand years.

So yes, it's a little frustrating every time America comes up that I have to listen to how amazing Europe is and how hideous America is. How you guys have somehow acknowledged your past and you're somehow morally above it all now. It's a crock of shit, and it always has been.

Especially considering in this particular instance none of you used your superior European educations to even read what the fuck was posted.

But this is the last I will say on this in general. It's got nothing to do with the thread at this point.

What an angry and pointless rant.
You hate Europe, we get it.

 

[AdrianS]

Trump broke it now he has to fix it.

No backsies!