The ban for model year 2027 onward began under Biden and has been enacted by Trump.
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Volvo gets US government approval to bypass Chinese connected car ban
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If anything I wish domestic producers had some hurdles to cross with their connective car software. Why does GM get to make money on sending our data to Google just because they're US companies? Or perhaps their code should be reviewed for security holes that could be used as a remote kill switch? Isn't that what they're so worried about with Chinese sourced car components?
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So Trump agreed with Biden on something? Is this because it will probably affect EVs more than anything else?
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Don’t look at it as an agreement, but as terms for him to further his grift. Agreement would mean having principles and a backbone. He has neither. His backbone is made of money. That’s all he stands for and will always follow it.
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Given the Trump administration, this process likely consists of obtaining the banking details of the Trump family, or a designated surrogate, and forwarding hundreds of thousands of dollars to them.
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Subscription cars have been a thing for a long time. It's called a lease.
There are genuinely many useful things you get from a "connected" car. We live in a connected world. That doesn't mean we should fork over our privacy and safety though.
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I'm not surprised; but I'm endlessly frustrated by how effectively the 'zOMG CHICOM SPYING!' angle seems to deflect internally coherent reflection.
Sure, tiktok is a variety of unpleasant things, probably deliberately; and TP-Link's firmware security is hot garbage and you're goddamn right Chinese electric cars are phoning home to HQ to an alarming degree; but all of those things are problems not primarily because China is involved.
And yet; we get fuck all focus on social media issues(beyond the convenience as a tool for demanding user identification), pitiful lip service to software quality and security; and a bunch of protectionist bans that leave anyone who isn't China free to phone home whatever they want for whatever purposes they want.
Tech is riddled with very real gaping problems around security, privacy, and basically everyone in a position of influence in the sector; but let's pretend it's fine as long as the abuses are domestic...
Sure, tiktok is a variety of unpleasant things, probably deliberately; and TP-Link's firmware security is hot garbage and you're goddamn right Chinese electric cars are phoning home to HQ to an alarming degree; but all of those things are problems not primarily because China is involved.
And yet; we get fuck all focus on social media issues(beyond the convenience as a tool for demanding user identification), pitiful lip service to software quality and security; and a bunch of protectionist bans that leave anyone who isn't China free to phone home whatever they want for whatever purposes they want.
Tech is riddled with very real gaping problems around security, privacy, and basically everyone in a position of influence in the sector; but let's pretend it's fine as long as the abuses are domestic...
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Exactly. I genuinely couldn't care less if China has my data. I live in the US. My data can be used to get me murdered by literal fucking agents of the federal government if I go to the wrong protest. Everything MAGA (and other jingoistic morons) say about China is no less true about the US, except we're the ones with the actual fascism and pedophile billionaires who are looking to broaden their power.
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Volvo should copy DJI and paint the cars a different color and call them Landranger to bypass the ban.
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If they can use the law as a way to knee cap EVs they'll keep them.
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I suspect very few people here that are against China slurping up all our data aren't also against the US or anyone else getting that data.
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Totally! Planned obsolescence, massive security and safety risks, and insane touch screen controls, to name a few of the most awesome things.
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I think you don't quite get how short of a period of time 10 years actually is, nor how embedded POV's are in society today.
Unless, of course, ten years from now it's a post-apocalyptic world where general POV ownership is impractical due to the destruction of the infrastructure necessary to operate and maintain them, or simply moot because there are no P's to own the V's anymore.
What's kind of scary about THAT thought is that there's a far greater chance of humanity going extinct in the next ten years (or less) than there is the likelihood of POV ownership otherwise going extinct.
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I immediately thought of how Deepcool rebranded as Sudokoo for the US market.
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I think they meant it in the "you'll own nothing" sense, not the "personal vehicles will be displaced by functional mass transit and/or magical teleportation" sense.
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I just wish buying a non-connected car was still a real option. That way I don't have to research how to physically delete it in any vehicle I seriously consider buying.
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Those are extinct by law. Going forward, connectivity is mandated so that they can kill your engine if you're an undesirable.
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They can fucking try, but it won't fucking work on any vehicle I own.
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I'm struggling to come up with something a connected car gets me.
I guess OTA updates but from my research that requires a cell plan that eventually the end user is on the hook for right? Also maybe I don't want the car updating to this or that version. Wouldn't be the first update to break something so I'd be cautious.
Other than that I'm at a loss. If a cell plan is required for any of it payed for by the consumer then I see nothing good about any of it. No way I'd pay for that.
I'm sure someone will correct me here.
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Ford doesn't require you to buy a cell plan for basic stuff like controlling your car remotely (lock and unlock is nice, preconditioning the cabin is even nicer, managing charge is an absolute must for me) and OTA updates. Plus they have WiFi, so when you're parked at home they can just hop onto that. The cell plan for Fords is used for streaming media directly to the car (couldn't even tell you what services are available other than YouTube) and the mobile hotspot for passengers (why wouldn't you just use your phone's hotspot?). The media streaming stuff will also work over WiFi, so if you really want it, you can just tether to your phone. I've done this a few times for YouTube, but with video apps coming to Android Auto, I'll never touch that again either.
I do wish cars would let you bring your own data plan. I understand they don't because they're connected to the network whether you pay or not, but it would be nice if the modem allowed a secondary eSIM. I have a spare line on my plan that's been sitting unused for years that I'd put on one of my cars for shits and giggles if I could.
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I guess that will work as long as you can keep your 1990's or earlier car running.
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For maps and tunes, my phone and Android Auto is less shitty than any infotainment system I've used or seen in person. For updates, that could easily be handled with a phone app and Bluetooth. The only reasons for an always-on cellular cybersecurity violation are remote services that some people find useful (remote start, mostly), and data mining customers. I have no use for either.
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Your phone is able to start the heat in your car before you get to it? Neat trick!
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Another great benefit of an EV. I also drive manuals, except for the EV obviously. Getting into a car that's already the optimal temperature is fantastic.
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Probably not going to be in my garage any time soon, for several reasons. Not unless the Slate actually starts rolling off assembly lines. Even then, it won't be my daily.
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I can see the remote start/conditioning being nice but if a cell plan is involved then nah.
Then you get into the 'turn it all into a subscription' dance these companies are doing. So to get that conditioned car you have to pay a monthly fee even without a monthly cell bill. No thanks there.
So yeah; I guess it's not something I'm going to be paying much attention to. I stop paying for the car at the deal's end so there will be no 'additionals' that will be needed. If that's the case the car is written off.
Then you get into the 'turn it all into a subscription' dance these companies are doing. So to get that conditioned car you have to pay a monthly fee even without a monthly cell bill. No thanks there.
So yeah; I guess it's not something I'm going to be paying much attention to. I stop paying for the car at the deal's end so there will be no 'additionals' that will be needed. If that's the case the car is written off.
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In 2016, Hyundai offered 3 tiers of connectivity. I don't remember exactly what the first tier brought (probably enabling the SOS button, along with stollen vehicle tracking and kill switch), but the 2nd tier enabled app-based remote start or unlock, and the 3rd tier allowed you to use that app to set the satnav destination. Software updates were still manually deployed via SD card. While the remote start was a nice convenience, it wasn't worth the $200/year to get there. The cell service fees were bundled into the first tier. And then Verizon shut down the 3G network. In 2017, Subaru only offered a subset of these features on a single tier, and I have no idea what network it used.
EVs (should) use that connectivity to locate charging stations along the route and track charger utilization, making it a much more valuable add-on if you can't just use carplay. I believe the mapped-highway based ADAS systems also use that connectivity to ensure it is always using the most recent highway map data.
None of this is desperately needed for car ownership, but that SOS button on the first tier does help for the worriers.
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