Sub-tick-rate updates seek to end a long-standing struggle for precise gameplay.
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Valve’s <em>CS:GO</em> replacement <em>Counter-Strike 2</em> launches this summer
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Kinda disappointed that they didn't talk about it at GDC.
I wonder how would that be implemented. I would expect that whenever it needs to verify hit registration, it'd interpolate all the data at exact, sub-tick time. The client would need to send some sub-tick (microseconds?) time offsets for every action. In the world of FPS-es CS:GO is kind unique, because it still does the old school server-side only hit registration, which keeps things very simple and completely immune to lag hacks and such. I'd assume that CS2 doesn't change that.
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Who cares, as long as this person only plays on steam deck their skill and capabilities will correlate strongly with their rank. Also, the gyro and trackpad aiming on the steamdeck are superior to joystick. I guarantee that there are people that could beat you easily playing on a steam deck while you play on the hardware of your choice.
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The reality of first person shooters with a low time to kill is that you're going to get killed "within 2 seconds every round" for at least a little while before you find your feet. I recommend deathmatch until you can get 1 kill for every 4 or so deaths before joining casual (I figure most people familiar with first person shooters could do this in about an hour, less if you spend some time on an aim training map learning how recoil works), after you get comfortable with casual (probably about 2-4 hours of play) start competitive matchmaking, there you'll be put in 10 placement matches with players of varying skill and subsequent matches will be with players of your own skill level.
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CS:GO 2 Episode 2:Terr-Alyx - They have plenty of room to iterate.This will be the last version of CS, ever.
We all know they won't make a CS 3
(Somebody had to make that joke, apologies)
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Snarky Robot
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I mean, I know people think exiting PowerPoint is like being released from hell, but I'm not sure I'd call it a hostage situation.
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I don't know about beta 7.1 but I do know 1.6, and sure it's changed a lot, I'm not a super expert and I'm working off of flawed memory, but you'll recognize:
the play loop of purchasing weapons, playing a round where money is earned, and repeating
the weapons and their rough performance characteristics
how recoil works
the rough layout of a few maps
the importance of flash bangs, smoke grenades and such
the basic gunplay style of flicks, holding angles and such
Some of the biggest things that have are graphics, audio, movement, grenade mechanics, balancing and such.
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The stamping should appear random, any stamp modification with intent to gain an advantage will become obvious to the server.
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I'm glad it's not just me. The screenshots make it look almost cartoonish—which is a perfectly valid art style, but maybe not appropriate for a game of such legacy.
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I can understand why they are not talking about it now, keep in mind that this was "basically" developed in a hermetically sealed vacuum. It's yet to be confronted with the biggest test of all: Launch day, when it touches the mess known as the internet with a floor of players trying to get a game in.
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CS:GO is a totally different beast than the original and cs:source. I actually prefer the originals, go just feels bad, or maybe I'm just old.
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This is a decent write-up from the MechWarrior Online lead, they had early challenges with netcode partly due to full simulation/component based damage as well as the movement speed of smaller mechs.
A bit more on their forum regarding projectile vs hitscan simulation
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Albino_Boo
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I remember the idea from years ago, I'm not sure if anyone ever implemented it because it was easier to just up the tickrate.
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Never played CS but I’m hoping to play on the steam deck as well. Hopefully my teammates don’t hate me too much haha.
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It's been a long time since I played Counter Strike, the 1.6 version. Absolutely loved it and played it to death. Even killed one of the (at the time) best CS team in the world's players (4Kings) with a headshot before getting wasted. So this has really got my interest, looking forward to it. getting back into it with 18 years of experience and getting old 
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Anyone else find the smoke / bullet interaction a bit weird? I don't think bullets punch holes in smoke clouds like that IRL...
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Strange, the pulse I'm getting is that they're all in on the netcode and the underlying experience is...the same. Outside of the esports circle, is anyone going to care about CS2?
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What better way to hide the development of HL3 then to say you are making CS 2?
Definitely HL3 confirmed.
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I expect that they’re already working on the VR version of CS.This will be the last version of CS, ever.
We all know they won't make a CS 3
(Somebody had to make that joke, apologies)
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CSOffice. 16v16 bot match. Max out the decal limit (advanced settings in game menu).
The level becomes an absolute war-zone with corpses, blood spatter, and bullet holes everywhere.
Make sure friendly fire is turned on, otherwise the bots will just shoot you through their allies.
And to make it even more interesting, try out Counter-Strike: Source Offensive mod. Assuming you own both both games, it brings the CS:GO assets into source. So you get to use all the new maps, weapons, and factions, but it plays like CS:S.
Office was always my favorite map, and this is my favorite way to play it now. And it runs so well on modern hardware even with an asinine number of bots.
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staypuft86
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Been playing since v1.6 - Whenever I think I'm done with this game it pulls me back in!
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The smoke seems like a shaving cream bomb more than smoke. And yes a grande can move smoke around but not like carving into rigid foam. They hopefully will soften and mystify that cloud a bit?
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Yeah I only play CSS still - honestly I thought CSGO was doomed like CSZ, sadly all the worst ideas won out.
CSSO is more like CSS x CSGO as it carries over some of the bad ideas and the bad if high poly art style.CS2 is definitely actually CS4, but I might come back and give it a chance since the art styling looks like an improvement over CSGO. TBH, I doubt it - "forced" competitive breeds the wrong style of play for me. Thankfully CSS still works and has plenty of people playing.
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You'd be surprised at how well CS can control with flickstick and gyro controls. A bit of practice (no different to practice on M+KB) and you can be extremely competitive.
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Uhhh, do you remember CS: Condition Zero, which was release before CS: Source?
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The thing I always remember about CS is playing the beta before even resetting the map between rounds was implemented. Real winners hold down that "throw weapon" key and run as many guns back to your start area before respawn as possible.
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I did just that last summer. And at first I was shocked. The game is very different from the old CS. You die much faster. Folks play way more tactically with grenades etc. Also selecting a server has been replaced by match making, though I think you could still manually select one. I played the original a lot back in the day and was always top tier ranked, I’d say I need 20 to 30 hours of play to become slightly above mid tier in CS:GO. Having a job and family now meant it took me several weeks to accumulate those 20
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I did just that last summer. And at first I was shocked. The game is very different from the old CS. You die much faster. Folks play way more tactically with grenades etc. Also selecting a server has been replaced by match making, though I think you could still manually select one. I played the original a lot back in the day and was always top tier ranked, I’d say I needed 20 to 30 hours of play to become slightly above mid tier in CS:GO. Having a job and family now meant took me several weeks to accumulate those 20
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I did just that last summer. And at first I was shocked. The game is very different from the old CS. You die much faster. Folks play way more tactically with grenades etc. Also selecting a server has been replaced by match making, though I think you could still manually select one. I played the original a lot back in the day and was always top tier ranked, I’d say I needed 20 to 30 hours of play to become slightly above mid tier in CS:GO. Having a job and family now meant took me several weeks to accumulate those 20
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Argh, sorry for posting three times. Shitty internet and the new forum UI aren’t good companions.
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For someone who lacks the skill (and age) to play CS, but really enjoy watching, this will definitely level up the experience! Can't wait.
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You're looking for Casual mode. It's just people playing for fun mostly. It's the place to get your CS senses back. You're going to get rekt your first 5 or 10 games but stick with it and you'll be nailing headshots in no time.
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snowman<ca>
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It had seemed like Valve had pretty much decided to give up being a game studio for a while there, hope to see a few of their other franchises get a new installment in the years to come too.
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I wonder how the game will handle "sub-ticks" while you are dead and watching other players. You talked about mouse-polling and in my experience most games lower that rate for other players. So that is what causes their views to look "jerky" when spectating(which leads to people thinking players are hacking when their aim "snaps" to enemies).
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I mean I am sure there are people who are really good at gamepad that could beat M&K people. But there is a reason that even with crossplay on that the console and PC people are default not in the same queues.
Do people just ignore the fact Valve has put out HL Alyx and Artifact over the last couple of years?
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