Utah leaders hinder efforts to develop solar energy supply

Solar power accounts for two-thirds of the new projects waiting to connect to the state’s power grid.

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[gsgrego]

What an asinine question.

-1.

Except not.

Nuclear waste has to go somewhere. It has to travel from point a to point b.

The more we transport the higher the possibility of accidents.

It's funny to me that people complain about how solar or wind look but are fine with laying waste to an entire area to turn it into a giant plant with train tracks and everything else.

 

[THT]

Figures having lived here 20+ years not a native. Park City is the most progressive. Solar. All the public buses are electric have been several years. However I can’t figure why utah was the first state to pass balcony solar legislation so don’t have to have an agreement with the power company as long as under 1.2kW. My apt balcony is south facing gets too hot in the summer to use. Will have to get manager approval. Likely will have to have installed given am on 3rd floor. Will have to find out if battery option is doable or makes sense. With AC running work-from-home doubtful any surplus to charge. Then what happens if power goes out and my 6 BPS kick in including one 1200W for computer/network setup and one 1600W for AV system. Meanwhile makes no sense to me against commercial solar but pro balcony solar.

If you can afford it, get 1.2 KW of solar PV and about 3 KWH of storage, one that has two outlets capable of outputting 120V 20A each. It's about 5 to 6 kWH per day on average. Maybe 20% to 30% of your usage?

I assume the utility or power provider will not compensate people for any energy that balcony solar exports into the grid. Those exports to the grid is free money for the utility, if not the power provider. Getting the battery makes sure that you use all that energy from balcony solar PV. It makes sure your appliances are getting consistent power. It's a game changer.

Your AC, probably a 2 to 3 KW system for an apartment?, does not run continuously. It's on-off every few minutes or off depending on outside temperature. Every time your apartment uses less power than what the solar PV are generating, solar PV power is going into the grid, basically for your neighbors to use, and reduces power demand on the grid. If enough people in the apartment get balcony solar, it would be quite the big reduction.

1.2 KW of balcony solar PV, if plugging in directly from the inverter, is energizing one rail in your circuit breaking box with 120V at about 10 amps, and lower depending on where the sun is. So, when the power goes out, what ever is connected to that rail has to share those 10 amps, plus whatever is drawn from the grid, like your neighbors' refrigerator. If you want to save the energy for your use during a grid outage, you have to flip the main circuit breaker off, which will result in your solar+storage only powering your stuff.

You have two 220V to 240V circuits wired into your breaker, each circuit powering 1 "rail". For high power appliances - oven/range, water heater, AC - they use both circuits, or rails. Hence, if the battery has two outlets of 120V, you can plug them into each rail through the wall outlets, and have a chance at powering these higher power items, and powering all lower power items in the apartment. Have to be judicious obviously.

 

[mpotter1024]

If you can afford it, get 1.2 KW of solar PV and about 3 KWH of storage, one that has two outlets capable of outputting 120V 20A each. It's about 5 to 6 kWH per day on average. Maybe 20% to 30% of your usage?

I assume the utility or power provider will not compensate people for any energy that balcony solar exports into the grid. Those exports to the grid is free money for the utility, if not the power provider. Getting the battery makes sure that you use all that energy from balcony solar PV. It makes sure your appliances are getting consistent power. It's a game changer.

Your AC, probably a 2 to 3 KW system for an apartment?, does not run continuously. It's on-off every few minutes or off depending on outside temperature. Every time your apartment uses less power than what the solar PV are generating, solar PV power is going into the grid, basically for your neighbors to use, and reduces power demand on the grid. If enough people in the apartment get balcony solar, it would be quite the big reduction.

1.2 KW of balcony solar PV, if plugging in directly from the inverter, is energizing one rail in your circuit breaking box with 120V at about 10 amps, and lower depending on where the sun is. So, when the power goes out, what ever is connected to that rail has to share those 10 amps, plus whatever is drawn from the grid, like your neighbors' refrigerator. If you want to save the energy for your use during a grid outage, you have to flip the main circuit breaker off, which will result in your solar+storage only powering your stuff.

You have two 220V to 240V circuits wired into your breaker, each circuit powering 1 "rail". For high power appliances - oven/range, water heater, AC - they use both circuits, or rails. Hence, if the battery has two outlets of 120V, you can plug them into each rail through the wall outlets, and have a chance at powering these higher power items, and powering all lower power items in the apartment. Have to be judicious obviously.

Interesting thanks. Actually have gas heating and hot water. You are right meter doesn’t run in reverse if sent to grid in this case just free power giveaway. Great idea if have solar battery backup system just flip the main breaker. Unfortunately there is just one 120V outdoor outlet. So simplest seems just limited to powering one rail plugging in there. Still would be worth it. Am curious which rail inside are on the same as the outdoor outlet. Should be the circuit breakers on the same side as the outdoor outlet. Would be great if was kitchen so my fridge and (Keurig || microwave) got 120V power in a power outage. Thanks though all the great ideas!

 

[EnragedEwok]

Nuclear projects are great examples of the sunk-cost fallacy in action. Invest billions to get the project started, but all that investment is worth nothing until the project is finished. So what are the financial incentives? That's right -- the incentive is to not finish, to drag it out as long as possible, for more and more money. Because there are no penalties or consequences for doing it. If the business(es) doing the construction can't get the gov't or the public to pony up more money, they can just walk away. They already got their money. And it's not like there's a glut of companies with NRC approval to build reactors, so future nuclear projects will have to come right back to the same companies.

Maybe I'm just not that cynical, but I don't believe that most cases of cost overruns or construction delays are the contractors intentionally milking things to get more money. The sad reality is that is that the less you do something, the worse you become at it. Nationally, we basically stopped building anything but roads and warehouses and office buildings, so those are the projects that government and private companies do well. With all the subsidies and quick turnaround for solar and wind, we got better and faster and cheaper at doing those projects over the past 2 decades. But nuclear? It's incredibly expensive to begin and has very long turnaround times with so we won't build it in scale, so everything is bespoke and there's no experienced project managers or contractors that can deliver on time. Same for building HSR, subways, etc. etc. We have to re-learn all this, and that's expensive, and those expensive failures (and even successes!) are used as evidence of why we shouldn't continue.