US piracy cyberlocker operator gets 3 years in prison, must pay $100k

Files would be replaced with "different links to the very same infringing files."

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[iPirateEverything]

ruddy[/url]":reyva6ci]
" stealing content"

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAH!

(Takes breath)


" stealing content"


HAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHA!

 

[ruddy]

iPirateEverything[/url]":2r0c5y7k]

ruddy[/url]":2r0c5y7k]
" stealing content"

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAH!

(Takes breath)


" stealing content"


HAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHA!

Yeah you laugh at the whack-a-mole. Except here's a mole who gets whacked for 3 whole years. Ouch.

 

[iPirateEverything]

ruddy[/url]":akwjlfue]

iPirateEverything[/url]":akwjlfue]

ruddy[/url]":akwjlfue]
" stealing content"

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAH!

(Takes breath)


" stealing content"


HAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHA!

Yeah you laugh at the whack-a-mole. Except here's a mole who gets whacked for 3 whole years. Ouch.

No, I do not laugh at the whack a mole, I laugh at the absurdity that some people still say "stealing" when even the highest courts do not consider it stealing but consider it "copyright infringement".

Pretty stupid of him to be running this business and be in the US, if you are going to do something like this - DONT DO IT WHILE IN THE US.

And yes, I am sure plenty of poor saps will pay settlement demands, but I assure NONE, and I mean NONE like me will.

Safely behind my VPN, ALL digital content is mine to take - including yours (judging by your post history it's quite obvious you have some content or are affiliated with people who do), and I will continue to take with impunity till your pals get copyright back to sensible terms.

 

[Ilikebundy99]

Copyright isn't a capitalist construct, it is a monopoly. it is the very opposite of capitalism.

Creativity and creative expression existed long before the advent of copyright and in my opinion will exist long after we finally rid ourselves of it.

There are other ways to be compensated for creation than government granted monopolies...

for example the threshold pledge system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Performer_Protocol

But even if creativity were to be lowered (which i do not believe it would be) i still believe copyright causes more harm than good at this point and needs to be either severely reined in or abolished. Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

So, no job then? My company employs thousands of writers and editors, and we sell our content - which is the best in our industry. Because we sell this content directly to tax payer funded organizations, you have paid for my company's content when you paid sales tax on that candy bar you bought. Thank you for being a customer!! And, you have free access to that content - legally - through your local public library. You could get similar information in a crowd sourced form on the web, but the quality sucks.

This parallel exists in my experience for most of the free 'substitutes' for premium content. Low quality, questionable authority.

While good content does not require a professional to create it, much of the best content is created by professionals. If you feel copyright law is wrong, then spend your time working to change the law. But if you steal content others pay for, I think you should be prosecuted under the current laws. I felt this way long before I worked for a content creator.[/quote]

So how does no copyright change anything for you then? you get paid to create something, you create it and then you deliver it.... exactly how capitalism is supposed to work. tax payer funded organisations will still presumably need this content created, and if your still the best option for making it they are still going to need to pay you to create it. You just won't be able to control it once you have done so... seeing as you have been already paid at the point, your part should be done. we don't pay any other professional for work that has already been completed. or give them control over the results over their labor. IE plumbers, electricians etc. Why should creative expressions be any different?

Also being the creator of something often gives you a unique advantage with that creation. Your generally seen as the most legitimate source for related content and can make more money that way. IE book signings, expansions on video games, extra books, movies, tv series based on characters you have created etc. If people like they are going to want more generally and your the only person that can provide it.

I have no problem with funding creativity, i would pay far more to fund the creation of some things than the normal asking price under copyright for a copy.

However I don't believe we need copyright at all, I believe it is an unethical breach of everyone's property rights to benefit a small minority. BUT, I am open to compromise if it was reformed. As far as the way it is now, it is an abomination and needs to be killed with fire.

The length of copyright is already insane and always extended when mickey mouse comes up, retroactive copyright extensions in my opinion are just blatant money grabs by corporations bought and paid for politicians. The amount of control copyright grants results in many creations never being seen, for example, mods for games or fan fictions. not forgetting that many of today's masterpieces were based on things from the past. like Disney's the lion king etc. No one will ever have the opportunity to do the same with the lion king because copyright at this point is perpetual. i believe the balance has swung so far that copyright is a net loss for society now. again, just my 2 cents.

 

[ruddy]

iPirateEverything[/url]":vuhanqoy]
I laugh at the absurdity that some people still say "stealing" when even the highest courts do not consider it stealing but consider it "copyright infringement".

Except I'm not talking about high courts. I was talking about pirates stealing what doesn't belong to them. You could look up the word steal yourself since you appear to be confusing it with something else.

Safely behind my VPN, ALL digital content is mine to take - including yours (judging by your post history it's quite obvious you have some content or are affiliated with people who do), and I will continue to take with impunity till your pals get copyright back to sensible terms.

Sure we're all proud of our achievements. This achievement of yours is really impressive. I mean Wow!

 

[iPirateEverything]

Unless you are talking about the Somali pirates, nothing was taken. As digital pirates (and I love that word, pirate, its like a badge of honor) we copy... the original is still very much where it was.

No matter how loud you scream "copying = stealing",and no matter for how long, it still does not make it true.

Sure we're all proud of our achievements. This achievement of yours is really impressive. I mean Wow!

Thank you!

But refusing to conform to an unjust gamed system is not really that much of an achievement, me teaching _how_ I do it to everyone who is even slightly curious and telling them to pass that knowledge on... now, *that's* an achievement I can really proud of!

 

[ruddy]

iPirateEverything[/url]":xypuv50e]
Unless you are talking about the Somali pirates, nothing was taken.

Look how easily you delude yourself. A copy was taken. Why do you need t lie about it?

As digital pirates (and I love that word, pirate, its like a badge of honor) we copy... the original is still very much where it was.

Yes I understand, real pirates don't need to lie about what they do. You don't have the balls for that. You need to lie and say nothing was taken when it was.

No matter how loud you scream "copying = stealing",and no matter for how long, it still does not make it true.

No matter how many times you repeat yourself digital piracy will forever be taking without permission, it's still stealing, and people aren't going to stop pointing you up as an entitled brat, even if they don't call you a thief or scumbag outright.

But refusing to conform to an unjust gamed system is not really that much of an achievement, me teaching _how_ I do it to everyone who is even slightly curious and telling them to pass that knowledge on... now, *that's* an achievement I can really proud of!

I'm not too worried. Most teenagers grow up.

 

[iPirateEverything]

Look how easily you delude yourself. A copy was taken. Why do you need t lie about it?

Perhaps this will help?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4

Yes I understand, real pirates don't need to lie about what they do. You don't have the balls for that. You need to lie and say nothing was taken when it was.

Now that hurts.

Actually, your opinion does not matter so, no, it doesn't! It does not hurt because its pretty ignorant and stupid.

No matter how many times you repeat yourself digital piracy will forever be taking without permission, it's still stealing, and people aren't going to stop pointing you up as an entitled brat, even if they don't call you a thief or scumbag outright.

Sticks and stones... feel free to call me whatever you want, it won't bother me in the slightest.

As long as you expect me/us to adhere to a one sided agreement (after you destroyed the original agreement) expect a LOT more people like me. This didnt start with me, this won't end with me but I will do my very best to keep the message going - especially to children, they soak this stuff up! ... and they are our future...

I'm not too worried. Most teenagers grow up.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean there... but if you are calling *me* a teenager, all I can say is: I WISH!

I'm a Java programmer for a very big company, you quite possibly have used something that I had a hand in building and our products get pirated everyday - but it does not bother me in the slightest.
Note when I say "our" I mean the company I work for. I just threw in that detail before you come up with the "if you ever built/created anything yourself..." argument.

 

[pjlahaie]

Azethoth666[/url]":2d72pfrk]
So yeah of course no car got stolen in the analogy. Duh.

Except nothing here was stolen. It's copyright infringement. When you steal something, the other person no longer has it. When you commit copyright infringement the only damage to the other party is the loss of a *potential* sale.

If the person would have never purchased the product in the first place there is, in fact, absolutely no loss to the victim.

And sometimes the opposite happens as well. I pirated Dragon Age 2 and after enjoying it, purchased it when it came on sale to play some of the expansions.

 

[ruddy]

You guys are deluding yourselves. Just because copyright infringement cases are handled by civil rather than criminal law, doesn't mean copies aren't stolen.

And deliberate unlawful copying is no less an unlawful taking of property than garden-variety theft.
—Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer in Grokster v MGM

 

[AliceWonder]

iPirateEverything[/url]":3upr7wd5]

ruddy[/url]":3upr7wd5]

iPirateEverything[/url]":3upr7wd5]

ruddy[/url]":3upr7wd5]
" stealing content"

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAH!

(Takes breath)


" stealing content"


HAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHA!

Yeah you laugh at the whack-a-mole. Except here's a mole who gets whacked for 3 whole years. Ouch.

No, I do not laugh at the whack a mole, I laugh at the absurdity that some people still say "stealing" when even the highest courts do not consider it stealing but consider it "copyright infringement".

Pretty stupid of him to be running this business and be in the US, if you are going to do something like this - DONT DO IT WHILE IN THE US.

And yes, I am sure plenty of poor saps will pay settlement demands, but I assure NONE, and I mean NONE like me will.

Safely behind my VPN, ALL digital content is mine to take - including yours (judging by your post history it's quite obvious you have some content or are affiliated with people who do), and I will continue to take with impunity till your pals get copyright back to sensible terms.

I hope you are aware many VPNs used pre-defined 1024-bit DH parameters that NSA quite likely has already precomputed attacks against.

I believe the majority of VPN services were and many if not majority still are.

 

[iPirateEverything]

AliceWonder[/url]":yl9ngq1n]

I hope you are aware many VPNs used pre-defined 1024-bit DH parameters that NSA quite likely has already precomputed attacks against.

I believe the majority of VPN services were and many if not majority still are.

I really don't care what the NSA knows about me, I don't have any world domination plans (yet) that don't involve 63 cats, 14 jellybeans and 33 gummybears... it used to be 47 gummy bears but I have optimised it!
nor do I have any plans of harming any public official, or state, so I think the NSA does not give crap about me either, I am not one of their "persons of interest".
If the NSA _really_ took an interest in nearly anyone on Ars, even though we are tech minded bunch, I doubt many/any of us could really outsmart them.

All I want my VPN to do is cover my tracks a bit when I visit sites from the "general authorities" and the goons hired by the IFPI/RIAA/MPAA etc, and cover my downloading habits so I can take ALL I want from Ruddy and his pals
Anything more is just gravy.

 

[iPirateEverything]

ruddy[/url]":32a7cssd]You guys are deluding yourselves. Just because copyright infringement cases are handled by civil rather than criminal law, doesn't mean copies aren't stolen.

And deliberate unlawful copying is no less an unlawful taking of property than garden-variety theft.
—Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer in Grokster v MGM

In a previous message you wrote:
Except I'm not talking about high courts.

and here you quote a SC - make up your damn mind.

You brought a quote from a SC justice to back up your argument, well I'll take the challenge and thrash your argument by not quoting a SC justice but by throwing the entire weight of the supreme court itself:

Dowling Vs United States



I'm a pirate, and a very clever one - don't fuck with me/us by throwing BS up because I'll expose it for what it is: BS.
Note: not that I give a flying fuck about copyright law, it bastardized beyond recognition and I don't even give it a second thought when I click a download link (nor do the people who I have shared my knowledge with).

Oh, and I'll repeat what I wrote earlier: all your (digital) stuff you (and your pals) EVER produce, is mine for the taking till copyright is restored to a proper balance (so I guess that means it's mine to take FOREVER with impunity! )

 

[AliceWonder]

iPirateEverything[/url]":3rkfnv36]

AliceWonder[/url]":3rkfnv36]

I hope you are aware many VPNs used pre-defined 1024-bit DH parameters that NSA quite likely has already precomputed attacks against.

I believe the majority of VPN services were and many if not majority still are.

I really don't care what the NSA knows about me, I don't have any world domination plans (yet) that don't involve 63 cats, 14 jellybeans and 33 gummybears... it used to be 47 gummy bears but I have optimised it!
nor do I have any plans of harming any public official, or state, so I think the NSA does not give crap about me either, I am not one of their "persons of interest".
If the NSA _really_ took an interest in nearly anyone on Ars, even though we are tech minded bunch, I doubt many/any of us could really outsmart them.

All I want my VPN to do is cover my tracks a bit when I visit sites from the "general authorities" and the goons hired by the IFPI/RIAA/MPAA etc, and cover my downloading habits so I can take ALL I want from Ruddy and his pals
Anything more is just gravy.

The point you are missing is your VPN may not be protecting you as well as you seem to think it is.

 

[iPirateEverything]

AliceWonder[/url]":36d3bgox]

The point you are missing is your VPN may not be protecting you as well as you seem to think it is.

Perhaps I am missing something / not understanding a point in you reply, but what I am saying is:

I don't expect total and/or complete protection with my VPN - just enough to deter quick observation from most interested parties (like my ISP or the RIAA affiliated companies) and make it a bit of a hassle if "someone bigger" wants to track my browsing habits.
I'm quite sure if they put any serious resources (like from a government actor) onto my VPN ,a large enough entity (eg the NSA) can crack it - but why would they bother since I am not really a threat to anything or anyone...

Feel free to correct me if I am missing something.

 

[iPirateEverything]

(Double post - ignore)

 

[AliceWonder]

My point is that using a VPN only protects you if everything is done right, and it often isn't.

For example, Google and Firefox have historically leaked the real IP address despite VPN use. The encryption used for a VPN can often be defeated. Etc.

A lot of people have made the mistake of thinking that because they use stuff to hide who they are, they can do whatever they want on the Internet without risk. The reality is those methods to hide who they are are often flawed and often easily circumvented.

 

[iPirateEverything]

AliceWonder[/url]":xqjedfl3]My point is that using a VPN only protects you if everything is done right, and it often isn't.

Worry not for my safety my newfound friend, I am a java programmer - I am not new to computers nor flustered by them or thousands of lines of code scattered in a bunch of abstract classes

A VPN is just my first line of defense and depending on what I want to do, I sometimes add proxy lists or other little hurdles to discourage any inquisitive people from wasting too many resources over lil 'ol me :eyebrow:
there are many low hanging fruit - I'm just too much trouble or a waste of time to chase after

A lot of people have made the mistake of thinking that because they use stuff to hide who they are, they can do whatever they want on the Internet without risk.

Ah! But I don't think that... I only break the law to infringe copyrights because copyright law is broken.
I have no, absolutely no, interest in child porn (as I myself have young ones), I have no interest in harming anybody (especially people in government), I am too old to make threats to any school/learning institution (I'll leave that to the 13 year old idiots) so why would anybody take any interest in me (other than the copyright cartels, of course) ?

Don't lose any sleep over my safety... I'm good

 

[ruddy]

iPirateEverything[/url]":17nwhphm]
In a previous message you wrote:
Except I'm not talking about high courts.

That was a previous message.

You brought a quote from a SC justice to back up your argument,

In trying to redefine what stealing means, you pretend that piracy is less unlawful than stealing when Breyer's impeccable logic shows up your pretense.

Dowling Vs United States

What about it? I've got no problem with it.

I'm a pirate, and a very clever one - don't fuck with me/us by throwing BS up because I'll expose it for what it is: BS.

And I'll call you on your bullshit, especially all your trumped up crap to rationalize your own greed and resentment.

Oh, and I'll repeat what I wrote earlier: all your (digital) stuff you (and your pals) EVER produce, is mine for the taking till copyright is restored to a proper balance (so I guess that means it's mine to take FOREVER with impunity! )

Bullshit like that.

 

[Hack-n-Slash]

ruddy[/url]":2gdues8e]

iPirateEverything[/url]":2gdues8e]
In a previous message you wrote:
Except I'm not talking about high courts.

That was a previous message.

You brought a quote from a SC justice to back up your argument,

In trying to redefine what stealing means, you pretend that piracy is less unlawful than stealing when Breyer's impeccable logic shows up your pretense.

Two points:

1. I haven't seen anyone here argue that copyright infringement is less unlawful than stealing.
2. Breyer's comment was not logic at all (much less impeccable) - it was assertion.

 

[iPirateEverything]

Oh Ruddy... buddy... you big fuddy duddy!

Reading another reply you made to me:

http://meincmagazine.com/tech-policy/2015 ... t=30179105

I see that you advocate copyright terms pretty much till the end of time... and you have the balls to call *me* greedy!!!!!! That kind of greed is really staggering - while I know the RIAA/MPAA and their ilk felt that inside, you really are the first greedy SOB to actually put it out in words!

I do not hide my resentment for people like you, I am a pirate of all things digital (and have no plans to ever stop), but I never lie - reading your text in plain black and white words invigorates me to keep up the fight.

Like I said above, I don't lie so I will repeat what I said above and trust me when I say this I mean it a 100%

all your (digital) stuff you (and your pals) EVER produce, is mine for the taking till copyright is restored to a proper balance

 

[ruddy]

iPirateEverything[/url]":2x4w2gws]Oh Ruddy... buddy... you big fuddy duddy!

Reading another reply you made to me:

http://meincmagazine.com/tech-policy/2015 ... t=30179105

I see that you advocate copyright terms pretty much till the end of time...

Again, why the need to lie?

and you have the balls to call *me* greedy!!!!!! That kind of greed is really staggering - while I know the RIAA/MPAA and their ilk felt that inside, you really are the first greedy SOB to actually put it out in words!

The law recognizes an author's exclusive rights and does not recognize the pirates claim of entitlement. But keep deluding yourself otherwise!

I do not hide my resentment for people like you, I am a pirate of all things digital (and have no plans to ever stop), but I never lie - reading your text in plain black and white words invigorates me to keep up the fight.

You lie left and right. You say you have not taken a copy when you pirate. That's a very straightforward lie, but then it's no surprise that thieves are in the habit of lying.

 

[Hack-n-Slash]

ruddy[/url]":2qd03gin]

iPirateEverything[/url]":2qd03gin]I do not hide my resentment for people like you, I am a pirate of all things digital (and have no plans to ever stop), but I never lie - reading your text in plain black and white words invigorates me to keep up the fight.

You lie left and right. You say you have not taken a copy when you pirate. That's a very straightforward lie, but then it's no surprise that thieves are in the habit of lying.

For someone who keeps complaining about other people playing semantic games, it sure seems to be your hobby.

If there's a stack of flyers and you pick one up and walk away with it, you have taken a copy.
If, instead, you put one on the xerox and hit the start button, you have made a copy.

No normal person goes into Kinko's (or a torrent swarm) to *take* copies.

Further, even when the word *is* used in a similar sense (e.g. take a picture), it in no way implies or infers the same sort of action as the word "theft".