Unvaccinated school-aged child dies of measles in Texas amid growing outbreak
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Nope. The kid wasn't so innocent; after all, God let the kid die, right? God knows what He's doing.
/s (just in case)
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Anti-vaxxers used to be religious conservatives plus a teeny-tiny population of hippies. Still is. What changed is the religious conservatives have gotten a stronger voice.
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Kennedy killed over 80 children in Samoa, so he's thinking "I'm still 79 ahead in Texas".
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Only one side of the aisle in the history of the country put an anti-vax nut job in charge of the Health and Human Services.
The left has anti-vaxxers, they don’t get put in charge of deciding the country’s health policies, big fucking difference.
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It should be mandatory for everyone unless you have some legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated.
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The lefty antivaxers don't have any authority. The right blew up against vaccinations because Trump said COVID would fade away and the medical authorities failed to agree with him. It's just like the sharpie hurricane map. You can bet the NWS is going to clear hurricane predictions with the White House this year.
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Doesn't fly, as many religious nutcases HAVE been successfully prosecuted for harming their child by withholding appropriate medical care (such as insulin, or chemotherapy). These parents should be prosecuted as well, assuming their child was both old enough to be vaccinated and had no medical contraindications to receiving the MMR vaccine.
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The three types of people, per red states:
- Straight cisgender white men
- Corporations
- Fetuses
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Being Mennonite myself I can assure you there is nothing in our branch of Christianity that prevents vaccination. I am fully vaccinated as are my children as are those of all the other Mennonites I know. Well, there is one exception who has fallen into the Trump/RFK Jr sphere and started shunning things like vaccines for no other reason than the right wing has decided it's bad.
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Hope the parents are stuck in deep debt with that hospital bill now. A simple shot costing a few dollars versus endless bankruptcy trying to cure the effects of the disease.
Even if you can't make the argument on vaccinations, you can make the argument on costs, and I'm sure a $10 shot is still cheaper than whatever US hospitals charge these days. And hey, maybe the insurance companies can help out by not paying out for things like complications due to conditions solved by vaccinations. You would think they'd love to save money, right? Might have to have a few exceptions for those who cannot vaccinate due to health conditions or allergies, but everyone else is vaccinate or deny/defend/depose.
Even if you can't make the argument on vaccinations, you can make the argument on costs, and I'm sure a $10 shot is still cheaper than whatever US hospitals charge these days. And hey, maybe the insurance companies can help out by not paying out for things like complications due to conditions solved by vaccinations. You would think they'd love to save money, right? Might have to have a few exceptions for those who cannot vaccinate due to health conditions or allergies, but everyone else is vaccinate or deny/defend/depose.
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On the plus side, in a few years school shootings might not be the #1 cause of death for US children anymore!
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One person traveled to San Antonio ten days ago, visited an event at UTSA then did the tourist trap crawl through the Riverwalk, then ate out for dinner. They tested positive for measles after they returned to the Panhandle. It's only a matter of time before this spreads through the US, it's continued spreading into adjacent counties since it first began.
It's easy to blame religious zealots, but one facet I don't see talked about much is financial side. Vaccinations cost multiple trips to the doc depending on number of shots & boosters per vaccine. It's real money just to walk in the door to the Doc's office once, let alone several times in addition to whatever the vaccines cost. And yet they can save that money by just getting a piece of paper notarized and walking it into the school to create an exemption. Notary service is free where I'm at, if I had a kid it'd cost me nothing (and maybe 10 minutes of time) to make them vax exempt as opposed to the hassles and cost of vaccinations.
Given the prevalence of low income families with multiple children here, a large percentage of them on food assistance programs and literally dependent on school lunch programs for free lunches, people need to realize there's an existing cost disincentive for parents to vaccinate.
So whether they are religious zealots, scummy penny-pinching parents, or they are parents who are struggling financially and are already unable to properly feed their children, people need to realize there are real consequences to not having a proper national healthcare program. It's certainly not helping when it's so easy, fast, and free for anyone to get a kid exempted from vaccines.
It's easy to blame religious zealots, but one facet I don't see talked about much is financial side. Vaccinations cost multiple trips to the doc depending on number of shots & boosters per vaccine. It's real money just to walk in the door to the Doc's office once, let alone several times in addition to whatever the vaccines cost. And yet they can save that money by just getting a piece of paper notarized and walking it into the school to create an exemption. Notary service is free where I'm at, if I had a kid it'd cost me nothing (and maybe 10 minutes of time) to make them vax exempt as opposed to the hassles and cost of vaccinations.
Given the prevalence of low income families with multiple children here, a large percentage of them on food assistance programs and literally dependent on school lunch programs for free lunches, people need to realize there's an existing cost disincentive for parents to vaccinate.
So whether they are religious zealots, scummy penny-pinching parents, or they are parents who are struggling financially and are already unable to properly feed their children, people need to realize there are real consequences to not having a proper national healthcare program. It's certainly not helping when it's so easy, fast, and free for anyone to get a kid exempted from vaccines.
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Yeah, I didn't like the way Beth phrased this:
Citation needed, Beth. Unless you specifically meant the local Mennonites, which I'd have a hard time refuting given the current situation. But certainly, I've known a few Mennonites (we even have a local Mennonite college of nursing!), and none of them were anti-vax.
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Does this one get onto Brainworm's Scorecard, or maybe we don't care about rounding errors, anyway?
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I don’t disagree, but at the moment I just hope it will remain legal for anyone to get the vaccinations they want. I don’t think that’s a given.
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Fluoride builds up to toxic levels in your pituitary gland. But don’t worry, a juice cleanse once every six months will fix it.
(I wish I had made that up… and hadn’t actually heard it from a girl I was dating.)
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The exemptions are not supposed to be easy, so I'm guessing you live in an R state? Or at least R local politicians in power?
The exemptions are a relief valve for society, to allow 99% of folks to vaccinate while not forcing the genuinely held beliefs of religious minorities into an oppressed state. It's a very very important function to have that release valve. However, nobody said it should be easy to use the valve; it should be the goal of any school district to make it way more a pain to get an exemption than to get vaccinated.
Somewhere along the way, I think folks with some vested interest (whether money or power) decided they'd use that as a wedge for their own benefit, RFK among them. They push and push, straining the system until it breaks, as happened here. If there is a hell, I believe those folks will rot in it.
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Only if you have insurance. Out-of-pocket for the measles vaccine is lowest at Costco (around here, anyway), at $105. If you're poor, that's expensive.
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I'm absolutely certain that given that an innocent child has died, the GOP, given that it calls itself the prolife party, will ensure that a robust childhood vaccination program will be implemented just like they have prioritized gun control and safety given years of mass shootings, particularly in schools.
Fuck the GOP. There needs to be an additional circle in hell built just for them.
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It's possibly MUCH worse than that, because some of these cases could have been children of parents who would have vaccinated them. "...39 in children aged 0 to 4, some of whom may be too young to vaccinate."Horrible when innocent kids die because their parents are fucking anti-vaxxers.
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Not only from measles, but from many other diseases, some of which are emerging superbugs.
I had the unfortunate experience of being infected with MRSA a couple of years ago. It took months to get rid of, and I was lucky not to have been hospitalized. I was treated by two doctors, both of whom turned bleakly serious when informing me of what's emerging for the general population in the near future.
If there was any hope at mitigating the rise of terrible diseases two years ago, there's none now. So hold on tightly, folks: there's going to be more suffering all around. Watch out for germs and violence, both arriving to your neighborhoods soon!
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Nope. Fuck religion. Fuck religious beliefs that decry vaccination even more.
The only exemption should be a medical one – you're allergic, or can't vaccinate for some other legitimate medical reason. Full stop. End of discussion.
But my religio– Fuck you and your religion. Your beliefs don't trump public health. At least, they shouldn't in a sane world.
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The Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn that had a measles outbreak followed a similar path. There’s nothing in Judaism that says “no vaccines”. Judaism tends to be pretty pragmatic about medicine, in general. If you take medicine that has to be taken with food, for example, the rabbi would tell you that even on a fast day, you should eat the necessary amount of food with your medicine.
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While this is obviously an avoidable tragedy, it is not "murder". Murder is a deliberate killing, and I'm sure these parents loved their children.
They totally failed at their duty of care towards their children, arguably neglected their children, but they did not murder their children. Perhaps this veers to "negligent homicide".
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I really haven’t seen many actual liberals espousing antivax views lately. My feeling is that the Right has just consolidated all the anti-intellectual, conspiracist, woo-culture bullshit since 2021 or so.
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I'm sorry but where is this that people have to pay for vaccines? I worked for a major private medical center in NYC as well as the public hospital system, the country's largest, and I've never heard of anyone having to pay out of pocket for vaccinations. Maybe insurance covers it, maybe not, but you can definitely get them for free. EDIT: or should be able to!
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Depends on what state you are in. Michigan if the family doesn't have insurance you can still get all vaccines covered if you go to the health department and such. I believe that is where my parents got my vaccines when I was young because they had terrible insurance at the time.
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