Grok tests if UK can penalize platforms for sexualized deepfakes generated by AI.
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The fact they have not removed it, given the CSAM issue makes a mockery of their arguments about a curated app storeMeanwhile the app is still in the Google Play and App Store. It takes far less to give other apps the boot, and this clearly violates their TOS, but they are too much of cowards to do anything about it. Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai are cowards.
That was the day when I closed my Twitter account.View attachment 125945
Let that sink in.
As the saying goes if convervatives didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all.Well, Republicans are the party of “think of the children” and ban/tax porn into oblivion. I’ll be interested to see how they support Elon and denounce porn at the same time. Ah who am I kidding they don’t care.
Personally, I’m looking for an excuse to get rid of a deranged harmful lying asshole.Musk has complained that Grok critics are looking for an “excuse for censorship,”
I can't think of a compelling reason why grok's "modify this image" option shouldn't require consent of the user to begin with.Or just not allow changes to photos of real people. Or not allow changes to photos of real people that exposes skin or makes them suggestive.. I think the former is simpler.
If by "user" you mean "subject", then how would grok identify them1, let alone ask for permission?I can't think of a compelling reason why grok's "modify this image" option shouldn't require consent of the user to begin with.
Apparently Tim Sweeney of Epic is not fine with that, since I checked on X last night.Yes, we are censoring "making child porn".
Anyone civilized is just fine with that.
Did you miss the last sentence in what you quoted?How are they not a censor?
Ofcom doesn’t have to “decide” what content breaks UK laws because there are laws already on the books dealing with the generation and distribution of CSAM, for example.In this case, the censor is justified: CSAM. but if you don't "decide" what content breaks UK laws then how can you fine and punish for it?
The one who openly admits, with pride, to sexually assaulting women.Yes, that one. The man who feature promintently in the Epstein files.
That logic sounds like a certain someone else who stated that you need to accept a few gun deaths in order to balance against the 2A.Apparently Tim Sweeney of Epic is not fine with that, since I checked on X last night.
It seems his reasoning is that a bit of CSAM is fine when balanced against absolute free speech.
As a UE technician, him wading into conversations like this makes me very uneasy. Please stick to fighting Apple and working on UE...
Speaking as a UK citizen, having the protections of Ofcom is much preferred to the wild west that is the source of much innovation but also much disruption and pain in the US.
Edit: just a further thought, it's stuff like this that really gives me an excellent offramp to not even participate in social media anymore. Outside of Ars and a couple of other nice forums. What an immediate and enormous boost to my overall life quality!
Republicans' ONLY real problem with porn is that they aren't personally subjugating women and making money off of it.Well, Republicans are the party of “think of the children” and ban/tax porn into oblivion. I’ll be interested to see how they support Elon and denounce porn at the same time. Ah who am I kidding they don’t care.
puts on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon. So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really. Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because he couldn't control grok in the same way like he controlled Gemini and other LLMs. And if people were to actually try grok itself they would see that it is quite restricted compared to x.com version for some reason. As for what reason that maybe, I have no frakking clue.
And ultimately, grok is just a tool that bad actors is misusing like every other tool such as photoshop, gun, and such. No don't give me the excuse of promoting and stuff gets made. That's still a tool. Guns makes people have more easier time killing people than using knives. Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.
Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.
Maybe… just maybe… Musk deserves the criticism he gets here.puts on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon.
So… what exactly is there to defend here? Trust me, Musk has a cadre of lawyers who are paid to defend him and his businesses. He doesn’t need you to do it for him.So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really.
If the other LLMs are in compliance and Grok is the only one which is not… is that really “singling out” Grok?Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because he couldn't control grok in the same way like he controlled Gemini and other LLMs.
Except there is plenty evidence that the standalone version of Grok has the same level of guardrails as the version used on Twitter and will gladly generate NCII and CSAM, if prompted. It’s just that the output isn’t made public like that on Twitter.And if people were to actually try grok itself they would see that it is quite restricted compared to x.com version for some reason. As for what reason that maybe, I have no frakking clue.
Not in the slightest. Grok, if it had proper guardrails, could easily stop people from trying to generate CSAM and NCII due to being programmed to actively reject such prompts. A gun, Photoshop and any other passive tool cannot intercede if a user decides to use said tool for less than savoury purposes.And ultimately, grok is just a tool that bad actors is misusing like every other tool such as photoshop, gun, and such.
Who is saying that we shouldn’t be punishing the bad actors who are making CSAM or NCII? And weren’t you just belly aching about how the PM couldn’t control Grok? How exactly should we strengthen protections against the generation and/or distribution of CSAM or NCII since Musk is abjectly against said protections?No don't give me the excuse of promoting and stuff gets made. That's still a tool. Guns makes people have more easier time killing people than using knives. Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.
Good. Using AI slop instead of employing individuals who are at talented at creating videos should be discouraged.Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.
"Grok's content filters don't permit the generation of child pornography, people permit the generation of child pornography" is easily the most tortured logic I've seen on the internet this year. If you're lucky it will make the top ten list in December.puts on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon. So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really. Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because he couldn't control grok in the same way like he controlled Gemini and other LLMs. And if people were to actually try grok itself they would see that it is quite restricted compared to x.com version for some reason. As for what reason that maybe, I have no frakking clue.
And ultimately, grok is just a tool that bad actors is misusing like every other tool such as photoshop, gun, and such. No don't give me the excuse of promoting and stuff gets made. That's still a tool. Guns makes people have more easier time killing people than using knives. Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.
Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.
They won't be voting any more.
As always folks, if you abuse our system we reserve the right to remove your ability to use it.
All the more baffling considering the BBC actually has a mastodon server (social.bbc), they just don't use it. Now is be a perfect time for them to start.And yet Ars (and other media orgs, notably the BBC in the UK) continue to post on Twitter. What's up with that?
Um noSomething something "you can take the Afrikaner out of Africa..."
I know a few saffers, most are pretty cool, unlike Elon.Something something "you can take the Afrikaner out of Africa..."
It’s a shame they can’t/won’t do anything about GeeBeebies. Fortunately you could probably fit their audience in a football stadium. A division 3 team at that.Speaking as a UK citizen, having the protections of Ofcom is much preferred to the wild west that is the source of much innovation but also much disruption and pain in the US.
Cheers!They won't be voting any more.
As always folks, if you abuse our system we reserve the right to remove your ability to use it.
I’m pretty sure they don’t want anybody’s kids used for this. They were just pointing out how Musk’s reaction would be far different if it were his children being targeted with this.So you a pro fake revenge porn?
They are. That’s a good thing in this caseI read this for the Musk bashing and catharsis; however, the quote at the end concerns me
How are they not a censor?
We have the 8th largest account on Mastodon. https://mastodon.social/@arstechnicaAll the more baffling considering the BBC actually has a mastodon server (social.bbc), they just don't use it. Now is be a perfect time for them to start.
because Grok makes kiddie porn and CSAM. If you don’t acknowledge that Grok is the only major one that isn’t preventing this from happening, you are doing nothing but spouting bad faith bullshitputs on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon. So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really. Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because
Uh, no. Ofcom are very clear that they are a regulator. They describes themselves as such. However, a regulator is to enforce the duties of the people/companies they regulate - in this case, preventing the distribution of non-consensual pornography and CSAM. That's not the same as censorship, which would have Ofcom decide what is allowed and what isn't - and they don't have that power. X could make the argument that what's being made/distributed should be allowed, in which case Ofcom would likely have to take X to court, ultimately using the judicial system to determine if the law has been broken.I read this for the Musk bashing and catharsis; however, the quote at the end concerns me
How are they not a censor? In this case, the censor is justified: CSAM. but if you don't "decide" what content breaks UK laws then how can you fine and punish for it? I feel like Ofcom is trying to sound like they aren't a regulator while acting like a regulator.
TBF I never unfollowed Gaiman and he used to post pretty much daily but I haven't seen anything at all from him since the story broke. One of the craziest things about all that was learning about his Scientologist upbringing and that The Ocean at the End of the Lane was his reframing his experience as a fantasy story. It doesn't excuse anything at all about his behavior but boy did it provide some wild context for it.We have the 8th largest account on Mastodon. https://mastodon.social/@arstechnica
https://most-followed-mastodon-accounts.stefanhayden.com/
But the 6th largest is Neil Gaiman, a rapist and sexual abuser (allegedly, but it's pretty damning). So ... I dunno what to say, the world is complicated.
That the 6th largest account is from a sexual abuser who doesn't even post isn't exactly highly motivational for companies to try Mastodon.TBF I never unfollowed Gaiman and he used to post pretty much daily but I haven't seen anything at all from him since the story broke. One of the craziest things about all that was learning about his Scientologist upbringing and that The Ocean at the End of the Lane was his reframing his experience as a fantasy story. It doesn't excuse anything at all about his behavior but boy did it provide some wild context for it.
Ok you're going to have to clarify exactly what you mean here because "CSAM is bad but..." is really not the argument you think it is. The entire point of this article was forcing Musk/X to deal with the rash of abuse materials why is it that you are framing this as "censoring Grok". Very weird position to take....Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.
Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.
Christian nationalists and tech bros are in power.Musk really needs to pull his head out out of his K-hole. What the hell happened to this country that child sexual abuse is being normalized?!