UK investigating X after Grok undressed thousands of women and children

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Meanwhile the app is still in the Google Play and App Store. It takes far less to give other apps the boot, and this clearly violates their TOS, but they are too much of cowards to do anything about it. Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai are cowards.
The fact they have not removed it, given the CSAM issue makes a mockery of their arguments about a curated app store

They have removed other apps for way less
 
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Well, Republicans are the party of “think of the children” and ban/tax porn into oblivion. I’ll be interested to see how they support Elon and denounce porn at the same time. Ah who am I kidding they don’t care.
As the saying goes if convervatives didn't have double standards they'd have no standards at all.

The longer I live, and the more I watch them defy every core principle they've claimed to embrace the more true it is.
 
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Madestjohn

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Kinda get the impression that Elon is using this as a provocation in an attempt to induce censorship

Feeding the hype man’s addiction for attention
a soapbox for to stand on while attempting to hock his wares
a distraction to cover for the dismal state of his businesses

And allowing the transgressive contrarian to reveal his perversions
 
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Or just not allow changes to photos of real people. Or not allow changes to photos of real people that exposes skin or makes them suggestive.. I think the former is simpler.
I can't think of a compelling reason why grok's "modify this image" option shouldn't require consent of the user to begin with.
 
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AusPeter

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I can't think of a compelling reason why grok's "modify this image" option shouldn't require consent of the user to begin with.
If by "user" you mean "subject", then how would grok identify them1, let alone ask for permission?

1. I've never even looked at grok, so I don't know how this feature actually works
 
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avlepharos

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Yes, we are censoring "making child porn".

Anyone civilized is just fine with that.
Apparently Tim Sweeney of Epic is not fine with that, since I checked on X last night.

It seems his reasoning is that a bit of CSAM is fine when balanced against absolute free speech.

As a UE technician, him wading into conversations like this makes me very uneasy. Please stick to fighting Apple and working on UE...

Speaking as a UK citizen, having the protections of Ofcom is much preferred to the wild west that is the source of much innovation but also much disruption and pain in the US.

Edit: just a further thought, it's stuff like this that really gives me an excellent offramp to not even participate in social media anymore. Outside of Ars and a couple of other nice forums. What an immediate and enormous boost to my overall life quality!
 
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Uragan

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How are they not a censor?
Did you miss the last sentence in what you quoted?

In this case, the censor is justified: CSAM. but if you don't "decide" what content breaks UK laws then how can you fine and punish for it?
Ofcom doesn’t have to “decide” what content breaks UK laws because there are laws already on the books dealing with the generation and distribution of CSAM, for example.

Asking Ofcom to review every single post on Twitter, make a determination if the law has been violated or not and then adjudicate accordingly is an absolutely Sisyphean task, which would quickly overwhelm Ofcom and prevent it from dealing with any other potential violations.

We have evidence that Twitter, Grok, and xAI are being used to generate and distribute material in violation of UK law and that Musk is trying to monetize that, which is baffling, to say the least.

Why shouldn’t Ofcom be able to make a blanket statement about Twitter/Grok as a whole about the violations of UK laws?
 
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It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week fighting the cabal of pedophile demons. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grammes a week pedophiles were to be state heroes. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.
 
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Apparently Tim Sweeney of Epic is not fine with that, since I checked on X last night.

It seems his reasoning is that a bit of CSAM is fine when balanced against absolute free speech.

As a UE technician, him wading into conversations like this makes me very uneasy. Please stick to fighting Apple and working on UE...

Speaking as a UK citizen, having the protections of Ofcom is much preferred to the wild west that is the source of much innovation but also much disruption and pain in the US.

Edit: just a further thought, it's stuff like this that really gives me an excellent offramp to not even participate in social media anymore. Outside of Ars and a couple of other nice forums. What an immediate and enormous boost to my overall life quality!
That logic sounds like a certain someone else who stated that you need to accept a few gun deaths in order to balance against the 2A.

That's all fine and dandy .. unless you are the victim.
 
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Well, Republicans are the party of “think of the children” and ban/tax porn into oblivion. I’ll be interested to see how they support Elon and denounce porn at the same time. Ah who am I kidding they don’t care.
Republicans' ONLY real problem with porn is that they aren't personally subjugating women and making money off of it.
 
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puts on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon. So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really. Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because he couldn't control grok in the same way like he controlled Gemini and other LLMs. And if people were to actually try grok itself they would see that it is quite restricted compared to x.com version for some reason. As for what reason that maybe, I have no frakking clue.

And ultimately, grok is just a tool that bad actors is misusing like every other tool such as photoshop, gun, and such. No don't give me the excuse of promoting and stuff gets made. That's still a tool. Guns makes people have more easier time killing people than using knives. Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.

Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.

Except Grok/X is supposed to punish the bad actors and it doesnt. Its grok's responsebility to insure bad actors cannot, with ease, circumvent its "protections", in fact Grok didnt even try that, it basically stated that anyone could continue doing what they did as long as they paid for it.

See, the problem here is that you are defending the indefensible, the problem isnt that other people think the indefensible is ok like you seem to. Echochamber? Hardly, more like this is where the normal adults reside.

What Musk doesnt like is the law applying to him the same as everyone else but, well, it does outside the US.

Also: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ries-lib-dems-uk-politics-latest-news-updates
 
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Uragan

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puts on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon.
Maybe… just maybe… Musk deserves the criticism he gets here.

So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really.
So… what exactly is there to defend here? Trust me, Musk has a cadre of lawyers who are paid to defend him and his businesses. He doesn’t need you to do it for him.

Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because he couldn't control grok in the same way like he controlled Gemini and other LLMs.
If the other LLMs are in compliance and Grok is the only one which is not… is that really “singling out” Grok? 🤨

And if people were to actually try grok itself they would see that it is quite restricted compared to x.com version for some reason. As for what reason that maybe, I have no frakking clue.
Except there is plenty evidence that the standalone version of Grok has the same level of guardrails as the version used on Twitter and will gladly generate NCII and CSAM, if prompted. It’s just that the output isn’t made public like that on Twitter.

And ultimately, grok is just a tool that bad actors is misusing like every other tool such as photoshop, gun, and such.
Not in the slightest. Grok, if it had proper guardrails, could easily stop people from trying to generate CSAM and NCII due to being programmed to actively reject such prompts. A gun, Photoshop and any other passive tool cannot intercede if a user decides to use said tool for less than savoury purposes.

No don't give me the excuse of promoting and stuff gets made. That's still a tool. Guns makes people have more easier time killing people than using knives. Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.
Who is saying that we shouldn’t be punishing the bad actors who are making CSAM or NCII? And weren’t you just belly aching about how the PM couldn’t control Grok? How exactly should we strengthen protections against the generation and/or distribution of CSAM or NCII since Musk is abjectly against said protections?

Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.
Good. Using AI slop instead of employing individuals who are at talented at creating videos should be discouraged.
 
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puts on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon. So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really. Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because he couldn't control grok in the same way like he controlled Gemini and other LLMs. And if people were to actually try grok itself they would see that it is quite restricted compared to x.com version for some reason. As for what reason that maybe, I have no frakking clue.

And ultimately, grok is just a tool that bad actors is misusing like every other tool such as photoshop, gun, and such. No don't give me the excuse of promoting and stuff gets made. That's still a tool. Guns makes people have more easier time killing people than using knives. Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.

Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.
"Grok's content filters don't permit the generation of child pornography, people permit the generation of child pornography" is easily the most tortured logic I've seen on the internet this year. If you're lucky it will make the top ten list in December.
 
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They won't be voting any more.

As always folks, if you abuse our system we reserve the right to remove your ability to use it.
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Speaking as a UK citizen, having the protections of Ofcom is much preferred to the wild west that is the source of much innovation but also much disruption and pain in the US.
It’s a shame they can’t/won’t do anything about GeeBeebies. Fortunately you could probably fit their audience in a football stadium. A division 3 team at that.
Small mercies.
 
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puts on biohazard suit before entering the comments section. I've noticed that most of arstechnica loves to bash on Elon. So it's quite a bit of echo chamber in here really. Keir Starmer of UK is singling Grok out because
because Grok makes kiddie porn and CSAM. If you don’t acknowledge that Grok is the only major one that isn’t preventing this from happening, you are doing nothing but spouting bad faith bullshit
 
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habilain

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I read this for the Musk bashing and catharsis; however, the quote at the end concerns me


How are they not a censor? In this case, the censor is justified: CSAM. but if you don't "decide" what content breaks UK laws then how can you fine and punish for it? I feel like Ofcom is trying to sound like they aren't a regulator while acting like a regulator.
Uh, no. Ofcom are very clear that they are a regulator. They describes themselves as such. However, a regulator is to enforce the duties of the people/companies they regulate - in this case, preventing the distribution of non-consensual pornography and CSAM. That's not the same as censorship, which would have Ofcom decide what is allowed and what isn't - and they don't have that power. X could make the argument that what's being made/distributed should be allowed, in which case Ofcom would likely have to take X to court, ultimately using the judicial system to determine if the law has been broken.
 
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We have the 8th largest account on Mastodon. https://mastodon.social/@arstechnica

https://most-followed-mastodon-accounts.stefanhayden.com/

But the 6th largest is Neil Gaiman, a rapist and sexual abuser (allegedly, but it's pretty damning). So ... I dunno what to say, the world is complicated.
TBF I never unfollowed Gaiman and he used to post pretty much daily but I haven't seen anything at all from him since the story broke. One of the craziest things about all that was learning about his Scientologist upbringing and that The Ocean at the End of the Lane was his reframing his experience as a fantasy story. It doesn't excuse anything at all about his behavior but boy did it provide some wild context for it.
 
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TBF I never unfollowed Gaiman and he used to post pretty much daily but I haven't seen anything at all from him since the story broke. One of the craziest things about all that was learning about his Scientologist upbringing and that The Ocean at the End of the Lane was his reframing his experience as a fantasy story. It doesn't excuse anything at all about his behavior but boy did it provide some wild context for it.
That the 6th largest account is from a sexual abuser who doesn't even post isn't exactly highly motivational for companies to try Mastodon.

We're doing our part, but I think at this point it's unrealistic to expect any kind of surge there.

We're ranked 930th on Bluesky https://bsky.app/profile/meincmagazine.com
 
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...Punishing the bad actors while strethening protection against CSAM while not breaking it's capability to make good videos is a win for everyone but bad people.

Censoring grok would just get you a useless video maker that's just like other LLM video makers. Aka, useless and ignored.
Ok you're going to have to clarify exactly what you mean here because "CSAM is bad but..." is really not the argument you think it is. The entire point of this article was forcing Musk/X to deal with the rash of abuse materials why is it that you are framing this as "censoring Grok". Very weird position to take.
 
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