Trump signs executive action to push Keystone, Dakota Access pipelines

Oil pipeline projects had been halted by decisions under Obama administration.

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[Theinsanegamer]

I doubt he actually has a plan to make it work. He will most likely just "say" he gave the go-a-head, and then blame democrats/china/the moon when it doesnt get built, and appease his voter base.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

Taking him at face value this is literally regressive in every possible respect: technological, ecological, economic, and social.

 

[Soothsayer786]

Absolutely no surprise here. I knew this was coming, just as I know net neutrality is coming. Or at least they are going to try. The blowback is only increasing and I think Donald is going to find it more and more difficult to do what he wants as people continue to wake up to what is going on. It is so ridiculously sad that it didn't happen until after he took office, but at least it seems to finally be happening. This is going right back to the courts.

 

[justcauseisjustthat]

To all those who voted for anyone but HRC and care about the planet, here is your first present.

This show is just getting started and peoples eyes will be bleeding within a year.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

On the one hand, this seems like a "good" choice, on the surface, superficially.

And that's all that matters.

I think the simple act of doing executive orders is all Trump wants.

Edit, I need to add quotes. Of course it isn't good. It just sounds good in gut, which is all the trumpsters care about.

 

[Kilroy420]

Trump's reality distortion field is all encompassing and boundless.

 

[SgtCupCake]

Of course he approved it. All those pesky environmental and religious concerns are meaningless in the face of potential profit.

As a hypothetical, do you suppose he would put more thought into it if these were Christians and not Native Americans doing the protesting? America - you decide.

 

[Matty]

The new era of ideology trumping facts.

 

[puppies]

A move surprising no one. His supporters are fine with this since they're AGW denialists anyway, and his detractors find further validation in their disgust with this administration.

 

[Coriolanus]

Soothsayer786[/url]":27ii7y0g]Absolutely no surprise here. I knew this was coming, just as I know net neutrality is coming. Or at least they are going to try. The blowback is only increasing and I think Donald is going to find it more and more difficult to do what he wants as people continue to wake up to what is going on. It is so ridiculously sad that it didn't happen until after he took office, but at least it seems to finally be happening. This is going right back to the courts.

Blowback doesn't matter to people who aren't up for re-election for another 2-4 years, and especially not if they see this as a singular opportunity to alter the country to fit their vision for the future.

Because once the Keystone/Dakota Access pipelines get built, getting them shut down is going to be next to impossible.

 

[floyd42]

iPirateEverything[/url]":21qfwha0]Here's the stick.
Here's the instructions.


Walk 10 meters ahead and you should see the dead horse.

Here's a paper on climate change.

Read through it and see if you can understand that it's based on fact.

 

[clarityoffline]

no worries... all the processing is going to be done inside Trump's apartment so none of the CO2 should ever be released to the atmosphere...

 

[iPirateEverything]

floyd42[/url]":livqovkg]

iPirateEverything[/url]":livqovkg]Here's the stick.
Here's the instructions.


Walk 10 meters ahead and you should see the dead horse.

Here's a paper on climate change.

Read through it and see if you can understand that it's based on fact.

FFS, another post falls victim to not having a /s

I thought it was obvious

 

[Soothsayer786]

Coriolanus[/url]":um8rnmx9]

Soothsayer786[/url]":um8rnmx9]Absolutely no surprise here. I knew this was coming, just as I know net neutrality is coming. Or at least they are going to try. The blowback is only increasing and I think Donald is going to find it more and more difficult to do what he wants as people continue to wake up to what is going on. It is so ridiculously sad that it didn't happen until after he took office, but at least it seems to finally be happening. This is going right back to the courts.

Blowback doesn't matter to people who aren't up for re-election for another 2-4 years, and especially not if they see this as a singular opportunity to alter the country to fit their vision for the future.

Because once the Keystone/Dakota Access pipelines get built, getting them shut down is going to be next to impossible.

I disagree. The more people watch, the more people speak up, the harder it is going to be for them to spin their alternate reality bullshit and push through their agenda. Look at what happened with them trying to gut the ethics panel. I know it seems like they have all the power, but the PEOPLE have all the power. All it takes is enough of them standing up and saying NO. The Donald can only ignore that up to a point.

 

[Justin Credible]

Looks like they are already filing a lawsuit:

Standing Rock Sioux tribe says it will take legal action to fight Trump's Dakota order. Lawyer says move made 'hastily and irresponsibly.'

As i said before on another story this will hurt us on the east coast of Canada, because our largest oil refinery was all set to run a pipe from Alberta to the maritimes, loss of the pipe, means a loss of jobs and loss of spin off economy.

Fuck you Trump.

 

[Midnitte]

Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!

Pay no attention to the alternative facts of only 40 permeant jobs

Pay no attention to the environmental disaster.

Pay no attention to my investments.

President Trump has owned stock in Energy Transfer Partners, the company behind the Dakota Access pipeline. Until recently Trump’s nominee for energy secretary, former Texas Governor Rick Perry, sat on the board of directors of Energy Transfer Partners.

Man, people are short-sighted.

 

[MagicDot]

One of the more interesting linguistic changes we'll see now that a Republican is in the White House is the term "executive action" will now be viewed as a progressive measure that saves children and creates jobs...in direct contrast to when a Democrat is President and it is viewed as totalitarianism, fascism, unconstitutional, etc, etc.

 

[MrGulio]

SgtCupCake[/url]":9m8d2cry]Of course he approved it. All those pesky environmental and religious concerns are meaningless in the face of potential profit.

Only one thing matters to the Nagus.

 

[wk_]

Also in the news today: White House temporarily freezes EPA grants, contracts

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15822X

 

[Midnitte]

Random John Smith Guy[/url]":1017atby]I'm actually big on Keystone XL, just from an environmental standpoint. Because the alternative is that Canada still sells the tar sand oil, but to foreign nations. And how does it get there? By ship. And those ships are the dirtiest, biggest, carbon and soot emitters out there. So by doing Keystone, we actually reduce emissions by transporting the oil with minimal emissions.

The alternative is poisoning drinking water tho.

 

[Frosty Grin]

Lay, baby, lay!

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Matty[/url]":sjhtjtw4]The new era of ideology trumping facts.

err.."Alternative facts"

 

[Jeff S]

puppies[/url]":2z215gei]A move surprising no one. His supporters are fine with this since they're AGW denialists anyway, and his detractors find further validation in their disgust with this administration.

It's not just about AGW though - there's also the issue of the racist federal laws that prevent the pipeline from going through a body of water that serves a large mostly-white city, but it's fine for that same pipe to go through a body of water that serves as the primary water source for native American people's.

If the Dakota Access pipeline is going to be completed, it should go back to the original route, north of Bismarck, away from the Sioux reservation.

 

[BeowulfSchaeffer]

Random John Smith Guy[/url]":1ja5y986]I'm actually big on Keystone XL, just from an environmental standpoint. Because the alternative is that Canada still sells the tar sand oil, but to foreign nations. And how does it get there? By ship. And those ships are the dirtiest, biggest, carbon and soot emitters out there. So by doing Keystone, we actually reduce emissions by transporting the oil with minimal emissions.

Keystone was designed not to provide oil for US consumption, but for overseas markets, so all of that product will be moving by ship anyway once it gets to the gulf. The only people making money on the deal are the companies charging a fee for pipeline access. The people paying for it will be the American people and property owners who's land will inevitably be polluted by a break. Your "environmental standpoint" is a strawman.

 

[steelcobra]

Random John Smith Guy[/url]":2132a4l1]I'm actually big on Keystone XL, just from an environmental standpoint. Because the alternative is that Canada still sells the tar sand oil, but to foreign nations. And how does it get there? By ship. And those ships are the dirtiest, biggest, carbon and soot emitters out there. So by doing Keystone, we actually reduce emissions by transporting the oil with minimal emissions.

Uh, what? The entire purpose of Keystone XL is shifting garbage-grade oil sand extract to ship overseas via the ports in the Gulf.

 

[Demani]

Kilroy420[/url]":3gk283kl]Trump's reality distortion field is all encompassing and boundless.

Can you imagine if he and Steve Jobs had been in the same room? The very fabric of reality could have been torn apart and reformed.

 

[fenris_uy]

Random John Smith Guy[/url]":1c1vsplf]I'm actually big on Keystone XL, just from an environmental standpoint. Because the alternative is that Canada still sells the tar sand oil, but to foreign nations. And how does it get there? By ship. And those ships are the dirtiest, biggest, carbon and soot emitters out there. So by doing Keystone, we actually reduce emissions by transporting the oil with minimal emissions.

You know that the point of the Keystone XL is for Canadian Oil to be able to be shipped by ship to foreign countries, right?

 

[Soothsayer786]

Knowing Trump he'll go ahead and approve of not having the pipeline go under their water source, but will instead reroute it directly through their living rooms. Because fuck you, that's why.

 

[aliksy]

Soothsayer786[/url]":2j4weuep]

Coriolanus[/url]":2j4weuep]

Soothsayer786[/url]":2j4weuep]Absolutely no surprise here. I knew this was coming, just as I know net neutrality is coming. Or at least they are going to try. The blowback is only increasing and I think Donald is going to find it more and more difficult to do what he wants as people continue to wake up to what is going on. It is so ridiculously sad that it didn't happen until after he took office, but at least it seems to finally be happening. This is going right back to the courts.

Blowback doesn't matter to people who aren't up for re-election for another 2-4 years, and especially not if they see this as a singular opportunity to alter the country to fit their vision for the future.

Because once the Keystone/Dakota Access pipelines get built, getting them shut down is going to be next to impossible.

I disagree. The more people watch, the more people speak up, the harder it is going to be for them to spin their alternate reality bullshit and push through their agenda. Look at what happened with them trying to gut the ethics panel. I know it seems like they have all the power, but the PEOPLE have all the power. All it takes is enough of them standing up and saying NO. The Donald can only ignore that up to a point.

Unless that point is a court order or an angry mob with a guillotine, I'm pretty sure he can do whatever he wants until the next election.

 

[arcite]

Theinsanegamer[/url]":2oiajjq3]I doubt he actually has a plan to make it work. He will most likely just "say" he gave the go-a-head, and then blame democrats/china/the moon when it doesnt get built, and appease his voter base.

That may work. I blamed the moon for my bad coffee this morning. Bad moon rising!

 

[carcharoth]

Alphadark[/url]":jvz02fan]16 years of growing executive power and now everyone is upset. Should of been speaking up during the Bush and Obama administration. You reap what you sow.

seriously.

people want to give power away, then complain when the office they gave power to does something they dont like

if the recent US election taught anyone anything, it should be that MANY citizens don't understand politics enough to cast their own vote

 

[Soothsayer786]

aliksy[/url]":mu4f3iix]

Soothsayer786[/url]":mu4f3iix]

Coriolanus[/url]":mu4f3iix]

Soothsayer786[/url]":mu4f3iix]Absolutely no surprise here. I knew this was coming, just as I know net neutrality is coming. Or at least they are going to try. The blowback is only increasing and I think Donald is going to find it more and more difficult to do what he wants as people continue to wake up to what is going on. It is so ridiculously sad that it didn't happen until after he took office, but at least it seems to finally be happening. This is going right back to the courts.

Blowback doesn't matter to people who aren't up for re-election for another 2-4 years, and especially not if they see this as a singular opportunity to alter the country to fit their vision for the future.

Because once the Keystone/Dakota Access pipelines get built, getting them shut down is going to be next to impossible.

I disagree. The more people watch, the more people speak up, the harder it is going to be for them to spin their alternate reality bullshit and push through their agenda. Look at what happened with them trying to gut the ethics panel. I know it seems like they have all the power, but the PEOPLE have all the power. All it takes is enough of them standing up and saying NO. The Donald can only ignore that up to a point.

Unless that point is a court order or an angry mob with a guillotine, I'm pretty sure he can do whatever he wants until the next election.

I'm still not so sure. It may seem like he can do whatever he wants, but he's already been pushing at those limits. I'm pretty sure it's going to reach a breaking point long before his term is up. Whether that is an angry mob with a guillotine, or his own party trying to save their prospects for 2018 and 2020, I'm more and more convinced that it will happen. Especially if he continues to do whatever he wants and present us with alternate facts. The American people will hit a breaking point, and then they will start breaking shit. I'm already sharpening my pitch fork.

 

[Resolute]

BatCrapCrazy[/url]":2lvmpuwx]Looks like they are already filing a lawsuit:

Standing Rock Sioux tribe says it will take legal action to fight Trump's Dakota order. Lawyer says move made 'hastily and irresponsibly.'

As i said before on another story this will hurt us on the east coast of Canada, because our largest oil refinery was all set to run a pipe from Alberta to the maritimes, loss of the pipe, means a loss of jobs and loss of spin off economy.

Fuck you Trump.

Energy East still needs to happen, even with Keystone XL (and the far less controversial Line 3 replacement). The biggest mistake Canada has made over the past decades is pushing most of our oil south instead of pushing it east and west also.

However, as far as Energy East goes, it would help if people like the mayor of Montreal weren't butting into federal jurisdiction in an effort to extort the same government and the companies.

 

[harmless]

BoredSysAdmin[/url]":3umv2la0]

Matty[/url]":3umv2la0]The new era of ideology trumping facts.

err.."Alternative facts"

I must give them that: "alternative facts" is the best Newspeak I've heard in a long time ...

 

[Seraphiel]

Heard a poll this morning that 1/3 of Californians are ready for their state to bail out of this failed experiment.

That number is only going up from here.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

arcite[/url]":21596vai]

Theinsanegamer[/url]":21596vai]I doubt he actually has a plan to make it work. He will most likely just "say" he gave the go-a-head, and then blame democrats/china/the moon when it doesnt get built, and appease his voter base.

That may work. I blamed the moon for my bad coffee this morning. Bad moon rising!

We need to get MoonShark a new coffee maker. Anybody want to set up a gofundme?