Trump admin to roll back Biden’s AI chip restrictions
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If you control the types of these chips to China all you'll eventually is encourage them to create their own so you'll permanently lose what ever advantage you had. You'll probably lose anyway, just more slowly.
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It’s hard to get kickbacks unless you negotiate individual agreements. Buy a year of Starlink and get a chip!
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I've no strong opinion as to whether the Biden order was going to be effective or whether the current administration's take is correct (they lie about everything).
But I do think it's interesting that tariff exemptions and now this both followed a pay-to-play $1M a plate dinner with Trump that Nvidia attended.
Paying $1M to continue to accrue $15 BILLION in 1 quarter from China seems like a good investment for Nvidia.
But I do think it's interesting that tariff exemptions and now this both followed a pay-to-play $1M a plate dinner with Trump that Nvidia attended.
Paying $1M to continue to accrue $15 BILLION in 1 quarter from China seems like a good investment for Nvidia.
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If it's not from the Bribery and Corruption region of France, it's just Spicy Lobbying.
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Oh, you mean like the Iran nuclear treaty currently being negotiated that is exactly the same as the Obama treaty abandoned in the first Trump administration because it was supposedly terrible for America? They have a track record of lack of imagination.
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isn't being able to restrict them when you don't want them to compete the literal only reason you'd even care if they could make it themselves?
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This is going to be part of the "deal" that Trump cuts with China, that no one will actually consider part of the deal so that it makes it look like Trump got more than he did.
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Happened when they banned military sales to China post Tiananmen Square. Happened with space tech when the US vetoed China joining the ISS. Happened with AI. Happening now with chips, and lithography machines.
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And it's 'too complicated'. That seems to be more an indictment of the Trump Administration than Biden's concept.
Anything longer than two sentences or using words with three syllables likely exceeds the reading comprehension of Trump officials. On top of the fact there likely isn't anything in all caps.
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When you think about it, this is actually pretty consistent with the overall policy of mercantilism that Trump wants to foist upon us, since maximizing exports is the flip side of minimizing imports.
(Personally, I welcome the return of our national economy to the glory days of the 1700's!)
(Personally, I welcome the return of our national economy to the glory days of the 1700's!)
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At least they are being upfront about being upset they couldnt openly sell secrets to that third tier.
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Meaning: The tiered approach was too straight forward to allow grift, so we are replacing it with a system that does.
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And in the meantime, just allowing China to get all the chips they want. Whereas they could have allowed this regulation to take effect until they came up with the replacement.
Yet another favor from the Trump administration for China. It's starting to look like he's a Chinese patsy and not a Russian one.
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I think most American CEOs idea of innovation is moving boxes on an org chart, but perhaps "unleash" refers to removing the lines on the chart, so people don't have to listen to the CEO anymore. That could actually help.
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Trump ran on fixing the economy. I wish he would focus on that instead of grifting and tariffs. Sigh. It will be a long four years.
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Sure, I mean, you can't stop people doing stuff on their own, but you can stop actively helping them. You're not gaining anything by just giving them the stuff they want. You could say, oh well, we're ensuring dependence and making them reliant on us, except that that only matters if you can take it away - which you're saying that we can't, because if we take it away, they'll just do it themselves. Might as well make them pay that cost.
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Tariffs on movies? Great. Spectacular. The best. We're going to have such better movies in America.
Restrictions on the flow of sensitive physical goods? Unworkable. Unenforceable. Bad. Terrible. I've heard that this is bad for people. And there are good people, great people, the best people, who need these chips. In Russia and China. People who have given me money.
Restrictions on the flow of sensitive physical goods? Unworkable. Unenforceable. Bad. Terrible. I've heard that this is bad for people. And there are good people, great people, the best people, who need these chips. In Russia and China. People who have given me money.
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Er, yes? What is the point of this post? My comment was giving examples to the quoted post. Everyone pays for advancements, whether that's through money, dependency, effort, time, or combinations of all the above.
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Trump ran on grifting and tariffs. Everything he is doing now is exactly what he said he would do. He was very clear that his idea for "fixing" the economy meant crashing then recreating it. He even told people to expect economic pain while he did this.
This is one of the areas where the issue was not Trump lieing, but people lieing to themselves. So many people just ignored his actual words, and only heard what they wanted to hear. It does not help that the media obsessively sane washed everything he said, but it not like people did not know. The amount of conversations I had before the election where people said "II know he said he would do X but I just don't think he will" was crazy.
It is like someone saying "I would love to murder your family" and collectively americans were like "I heard the words love and family, this guy is great!".
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If I was the 2nd highest economy in the world, and the biggest economy told me I can't buy their car/tank/GPU/whatever. I have all the money, time, people, whatever I need to just make it myself. Sure it make take a few years, but I'll stop being lazy about catching up to you now since I can't buy your stuff.
And then suddenly I'm the worlds biggest economy, because I'm not paying for your stuff and a bunch of people are buying mine. If you thought outsourcing was bad for the economy, you should see what forcing someone with all the resources you could possibly want to just do it themselves.
Honestly the worst part about this is I wouldn't mind a chinese GPU maker to be competative, so you could actually buy some damned cards at MSRP, and at the rate Trump is destroying the US constitution that might be the less-authoritarian option any day now.
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Sure thing ... as long as they're willing to pay the proper "tributes" to the King & Co.
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China was going to create their own regardless - it would be sheer idiocy to not develop a supply chain for such a strategically important factor for both the military and commerce. What it does change is the demand, so that there is a increased local demand for the Chinese made chips, which likely reduced the amount of government support needed to design and develop the chips and increases the potential profitability.
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I understand why the Biden administration intended to limit the sale of GPUs to direct adversaries. But neither all of Europe nor all of NATO was included in the first tier.
As a scientist working in one of the second tier countries, it is a relief that this will not be implemented as-is. But I would not be surprised if whatever policy the Trump administration implements will be worse.
As a scientist working in one of the second tier countries, it is a relief that this will not be implemented as-is. But I would not be surprised if whatever policy the Trump administration implements will be worse.
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We all know that only America can invent things, and everyone just copies afterwards. So we don't need to try to hold others back, since we will invent better than them. Unless we need to, depends on which non-Americans can't maybe not copyvent better by stealing...
And to keep that lead, we have the best research funded by the most stable government grants, draining in the best minds from all around the world.
... I got lost somewhere in the logic, I think...
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Well, they are our besest ever friends, and besides Felon45 has a crush on Kim Jong Un and Putin owns Felon45, so what could ever go wrong with this lovefest?
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My guess is, it will make it easier to leverage "strategical" chips as a way of pressuring the specific foreign country on some other issues, like (sarcasm) also buying more chlorinated chicken (/sarcasm) or whatever, something the tiered system would have been impractical for.
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Could someone explain the logic behind this? There is one explanation that is logical but utterly pathetic: Biden introduced this so it is bad and Trump must change it. But is there any non-pathetic reason that I’m missing?
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