Trump admin abandons fight against wind energy as clean energy output surges

Alyeska

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Trump Always Chickens Out. He also frequently flip flops and doubles down. He especially hates wind farms. So it wouldn't surprise me if they attacked clean energy next year.

Still, this is a good sign. The market itself already sees the benefit of clean energy. An unlimited source of energy that doesn't require a constant drain of resources to buy and then burn and then start all over buying again.
 
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In general, many red states will not only have cheaper land, but fewer regulations and limited environmental review than blue states. Projects of any kind can be built much faster for reduced cost with less red tape, clean energy development included.

(I still think some environmental review is important, but there is a limit and we should balance priorities.)
 
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It would be kinda funny to see Alberta secede and join the US, only to see their oil ambitions squashed by the cheap renewables reality.
No it wouldn't! (Alberta born and raised!)

Also, the separatists have very low support in recent and historic polling.

What I really want is the law to change so I can install some balcony style solar at my condo.
 
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Setting aside the obvious windmill jokes, it's so exhausting that one side needs to bring the preponderance of scientific evidence and economic pressure to bear through a lengthy and exhaustive legal process to get their way (sometimes)...

...and the other side just needs to wait for a check to clear.

Still, this kind of news is heartening because it exposes cracks in the "unified" conservative front. If most of them believed Trump is here to stay (and his puppetmasters), no one would dare break ranks. That any retreat is being considered and ordered at all is something to be seized upon and wedged deeper and deeper.
 
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He said “the big reason we’re seeing this surge of natural gas is this administration that’s been throwing roadblocks in the way of renewables and providing incentives for fossil fuel.”

So the Administrations fight against renewables isn't really abandoned, they are just backing off trying to halt already started projects. Continuing the deny new projects and subsidizing fossil fuels even more is still the plan.
 
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The country already has 471 GW of clean power online, with a record 51.6 GW newly added in 2025, “the equivalent of about 25 Hoover Dams,” the report notes.
This is wrong in two ways.

First, while Hoover has 2GW of capacity, their capacity factor (how much time they are generating and at how much of their full capacity) determines the equivalent in generation capabilities. Wind has 33% CF, solar is 20%, hydro varies but is usually around 33-50%.

Second, the water level in Lake Mead is so low because of a 26 year drought and climate change, Hoover's capacity factor has been reduced to around 20%. So 2GW of solar would generate the same amount of energy as Hoover Dam today.
 
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LordEOD

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The real reason everyone should, daily, send negative thoughts and cast curses about Trump and his cult is that, on the most basic level, they spend public, tax-payer money in order to interfere with or stop works that are in the public good (generally speaking).

While most renewable projects are private endeavors and the general public will only eventually pay for that energy - paying for electricity is nothing new and will not change and so the public interest can then be served in how the energy is produced.

Who can honestly say they rather live next to a coal or natural gas plant vs a wind or solar farm?
Especially republicans, who for their apparently all-in on big oil, never want anything like it in their back yards.
 
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real mikeb_60

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So what about the billions of taxpayer dollars Trump paid companies to walk away from wind projects? Do we get to claw that money back?
Heavens no! The companies have most likely already spent the money on C-suite salaries and bonuses. Get money for not spending some? Priceless! Real question is whether the companies that got the money have spent some of it (or have promised to) on gas/other fossil projects, as Trump intended.
 
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The country already has 471 GW of clean power online, with a record 51.6 GW newly added in 2025, “the equivalent of about 25 Hoover Dams,” the report notes.
This is wrong in two ways.

First, while Hoover has 2GW of capacity, their capacity factor (how much time they are generating and at how much of their full capacity) determines the equivalent in generation capabilities. Wind has 33% CF, solar is 20%, hydro varies but is usually around 33-50%.

Second, the water level in Lake Mead is so low because of a 26 year drought and climate change, Hoover's capacity factor has been reduced to around 20%. So 2GW of solar would generate the same amount of energy as Hoover Dam today.
I think you just showed 2 wrongs do make a right!
 
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real mikeb_60

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This is wrong in two ways.

First, while Hoover has 2GW of capacity, their capacity factor (how much time they are generating and at how much of their full capacity) determines the equivalent in generation capabilities. Wind has 33% CF, solar is 20%, hydro varies but is usually around 33-50%.

Second, the water level in Lake Mead is so low because of a 26 year drought and climate change, Hoover's capacity factor has been reduced to around 20%. So 2GW of solar would generate the same amount of energy as Hoover Dam today.
What's the capacity factor of solar (and maybe wind) + batteries? How do you size the battery for optimum c.f. performance?
 
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LordEOD

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Fascinating to me is those folks that are the anti-EV, rolling coal types simply due to political identity.

I understand all about tribalism and such - but it doesn't make it any less befuddling to see individuals act out completely against their own interests because that happens to be what their preferred political representative tells them to do.

Being told to do stupid things and them doing them doesn't sound very freedom and alpha to me.
 
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cwolf

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The country already has 471 GW of clean power online, with a record 51.6 GW newly added in 2025, “the equivalent of about 25 Hoover Dams,” the report notes.

This is wrong in two ways.

First, while Hoover has 2GW of capacity, their capacity factor (how much time they are generating and at how much of their full capacity) determines the equivalent in generation capabilities. Wind has 33% CF, solar is 20%, hydro varies but is usually around 33-50%.

Second, the water level in Lake Mead is so low because of a 26 year drought and climate change, Hoover's capacity factor has been reduced to around 20%. So 2GW of solar would generate the same amount of energy as Hoover Dam today.
If 2 GW of solar is equivalent to 1 Hoover Dam according to your figures then 25 Hover Dams is 50 GW of solar... so how is the original quote wrong by stating that 51.6GW of new clean power is "the equivalent of about 25 Hoover Dams"? 51.6 is about 50 isn't it?
 
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It would be kinda funny to see Alberta secede and join the US, only to see their oil ambitions squashed by the cheap renewables reality.
Alberta isn't going anywhere.
Once Alberta residents truly grasp that secession means losing their health care and canadian-govt pensions (social security), the secession idea will rightly wither.
 
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real mikeb_60

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So the Administrations fight against renewables isn't really abandoned, they are just backing off trying to halt already started projects. Continuing the deny new projects and subsidizing fossil fuels even more is still the plan.
And ... I see something strategic going on here: voluntarily withdrawing the appeal limits the effectiveness of the decision to the jurisdiction of the District Court where it originated. Current policy (thanks to the S.C.) is that District Courts cannot make decisions with national applicability. So maybe Trump lost this one, but by withdrawing the appeal the effect is limited. Don't read it to mean anything bigger than that: the antipathy toward anything not fossil-fueled is still there and will guide ongoing decisions. Full employment for lawyers challenging inept federal decisionmaking (which seems to be the way this Administration operates).
 
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azazel1024

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Trump Always Chickens Out. He also frequently flip flops and doubles down. He especially hates wind farms. So it wouldn't surprise me if they attacked clean energy next year.

Still, this is a good sign. The market itself already sees the benefit of clean energy. An unlimited source of energy that doesn't require a constant drain of resources to buy and then burn and then start all over buying again.
However, has the administration stopped denying the radar mitigation and impact studies that DoD requires for ALL wind installations above a certain height?

https://abcnews.com/Technology/wire...ocking-wind-farms-putting-jobs-risk-133809435
 
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Alberta isn't going anywhere.
Once Alberta residents truly grasp that secession means losing their health care and canadian-govt pensions (social security), the secession idea will rightly wither.
Never say never. Half the USA were talked into believing that import-tariffs weren't taxes paid for by consumers.

And the secessionists in Alberta...are the Canadian branch of the USA GOP. So they'll use the same tired US far-right playbook to talk people into hating on their systems. And that playbook--sadly--works. Which is why it is a playbook
 
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“arbitrary and capricious”

I have a tough time finding two superlatives that better describe this administration. Add cruel and I feel like it covers the whole gamut

edit: Arbitrary and Capricious versus Cruel and Vindictive; which set wins out? Either way, we lose.
 
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