The major problem being that the Felon45 kakistocracy affects everyone, not just his cult members.As a democratic voter, I can only laugh at the shitshow that is coming for the people that voted these clowns in. You deserve whatever you get, guys.
Yes, but I just miss genuinely being excited for a candidate that felt capable of change and victory. I have my issues with all candidates, but damn there's a real lack of enthusiasm lately around the front runners.anyone missing Obama yet?
politely again - the US race for president is not determined on a national level.As of this moment, CNN counts 68,181,919 Harris votes and 72,852,072 Trump votes. These numbers may grow slightly (esp with California only at ~60% reporting) but probably not by more than another million or two.
In 2020, Biden won 81,282,916 votes versus Trump's 74,223,369. In other words, Trump turnout was roughly flat while Dem turnout dropped 15%.
Actually the income inequality in the U.S. is now higher that before the great depression (believe it is highest ever for the U.S.). It's a huge red flag as a warning sign for countries to be vulnerable to authoritarian takeovers.There were many countries in the world that decided to ditch the democracy and voted for people who promised a dictatorship. The US is not the first one. What is funny/scarry here is that the US decided this in a moment of unprecedented historical wealth. Other countries were at least in some kind of trouble.
[...] In other words, Trump turnout was roughly flat while Dem turnout dropped 15%.
It isn't. It's just a fantasy that people tell themselves which proves they had the magic answer to fear mongering and willful ignorance. They keep saying Bernie could have stopped this because the actual truth is too hard to bear: Americans caused this depravity.No, you couldn't. Because the majority of Democrats did not want Bernie. I don't get how that's so hard to comprehend.
It is true that Felon45's name just accidentally fell into that document, over 300 times. And his former cabinet members wrote chapters in it that he doesn't even want to know about.Sorry to tell you, but this article is demonstrably and utterly incorrect. I have it on good authority that Trump has absolutely zero affiliation with Project 2025, knows nothing about it, and in fact thinks that some of it is "absolutely ridiculous and abysmal".
I earnestly await the retraction of this article and public apology for its publication. /s
i didn't say moving to the right would fix it. because harris ran hard to the center where she could (pissing off all the folks on the left about Gaza in the process) and palled around with all the ol' GOP former elites, and got rewarded with... suburban populations swinging heavily to Trump instead.Moving to the right won't fix this. There is not some untapped base of centrist or center-right never-Trumpers who will save the Dems in 2028, and they will never appeal more to people further right than that more than Trump and co. already do. All moving right will do is alienate the Dem base even more.
Prop 36 also passed with %70 of the vote. Spending hundreds of millions to lock up people for literal petty crimes.You want another example of hellscape, look at Prop 6 in California.
California voters rejected this. About 55% voted No. They voted for slavery.
And that's California. Imagine what the results would look like in any red state.
This country is deeply, deeply diseased.
"Perceived as" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Harris is not leftist by any sane measure. Can you name a single policy position of hers that was remotely leftist? A bunch of right-wing lunatics calling her Stalin because she thinks it's better to invest in renewables than coal* does not a leftist make.Kamala was percieved as overwhelming "too liberal" by polled voters and the entire country underwent an unprecedent shift rightward in the votes of 2024 (including in places like NYC or northern VA) and you think having an even more leftist candidate would have worked?
Also this is profoundly ahistorical because Biden--"not actually good candidate"--did win in 2020.
The bottom line is that the entirety of the american left--from moderate to tankie--needs to understand that leftism as a national movement is currently dead in the water. The whole leftist theory of voters and change is dead. There is no coalition. We got racial depolarization only in terms of minorities shifting rightward, and we didn't get any countervailing educational polarization that people were banking on (and was the case in 2020/2022). The election was so definitively a Trump victory--despite voters being clearly aware of Trump having gone through a presidency before--that everyone needs to go back to the drawing board. There are no incremental theories that work here--nothing about Harris's VP pick, nor Gaza, nor Ukraine--the shift right is just so huge. I don't think there's a single democrat who could have won in 2024. I hope someone much smarter than me with greater reach than me can help figure it out because we only have a couple years to figure it out (until the midterms) and that's probably the maximum amount of time that ppl can logjam Trump even with him having a trifecta.
It is true that Felon45's name just accidentally fell into that document, over 300 times. And his former cabinet members wrote chapters in it that he doesn't even want to know about.
are you saying this as a counterattack against me? because i'm not disagreeing. but ultimately a majority of americans did."Perceived as" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Harris is not leftist by any sane measure. Can you name a single policy position of hers that was remotely leftist? A bunch of right-wing lunatics calling her Stalin because she thinks it's better to invest in renewables than coal* does not a leftist make.
Well, no. What it did was reverse the previous law, passed just a few years ago, that said any loss due to theft under $950 was not a felony, but a misdemeanor.Prop 36 also passed with %70 of the vote. Spending hundreds of millions to lock up people for literal petty crimes.
Allows felony charges for possessing certain drugs and for thefts under $950, if defendant has two prior drug or theft convictions.
More likely the effects will take years to fully realized, by that time they'll blame whatever administration is in place -- even if they are trying to fix it.People are going to find out real quick how bad things can get
This is a pointless argument. You personally may not, but it's time to face the fact that a very large (in fact a clear majority) of American voters are either actively seeking, or willing to accept a authoritarian strongman. Trump didn't win despite his authoritarian ideas - he won because of them.F you. I certainly did NOT. Neither did many other people. I still don't believe this could be true. It's like every Kamala & Democratic candidate's votes were flipped for Trump & Republicans, & vice versa. This is a hideous sh1t show.
Here you go, and there are many others:True, they should. But I come here for stories on tech, and science, spaceflight, and EVs. Putting them in their own section would mean that those of us that don’t come here for that could avoid them.
The next four years will be a horror, we haven’t recovered from Trump’s first term yet. But it would be nice if there was a place to go without the daily body count.
The fun part for me will be how fast this gets to SCOTUS. I'm certain that FB will fight this because we all know what Free Speech defenders FB are. Gov. DeSantis tried to squash pro-abortion ads in Florida and was told to take a hike. I'm pretty sure SCOTUS will tell the FCC the same thing since FB is a private organizaiton."Crack down in Big Tech" is a talking point. They have ZERO intentions of regulating anything any large company does. Big Tech & Google included. Trump's whining about Google is just a performance art for the rubes.
And deregulating the ISPs? They're barely regulated now. One more train wreck waiting to happen.
The democrats, especially the liberal portion of the party, have an authenticity problem. They don't feel authentic to people outside of liberal and more intellectual focused circles. So much of what they say feels like sterilized language lest anyone be offended, and comes off as infantilizing or pretentious or condescending/patronizing/hollow, things like the attempted forced adoption of the "latinX" label that not only doesn't work in Spanish/Portuguese but actively offends for trying to steal an identity the community is proud in with latino/latina effectively saying that "your culture doesn't meet our definition of inclusive so we're changing it for you"are you saying this as a counterattack against me? because i'm not disagreeing. but ultimately a majority of americans did.
whose to blame? i don't know! media? i don't know! harris not talking about policies enough? (she did! and they are very normal center-left policies! but i don't know) is it because she's a woman and women are percieved to be more liberal? i don't know!
kamala and biden deliverered some world-beating legislation, inflation got tamped down to historical norms by election day, US is the only developing economy in the world growing at a decent clip, kamala proposes normal democrat stuff (tax redistribution) with an edge of left-populism (anti-price gouging) and then the guy who is going to put RFK in charge of national health isn't considered "too extreme" and ends up winning.
i have no idea! like i said, the entire leftist theory of change and voters is wrong and i don't know what it takes to get one that works.
If you ever need a surreal moment go and watch the Obama v Romney debates compared to every debate after. It's almost quaint, but shocking to see the difference.anyone missing Obama yet?
Well now, not all Americans voted for it -- by quite a bit. We just proved that the worst are in the majority.If it happens, well Americans voted for it so now you get to eat it.
If that’s the solution find me a way that translates into electoral gains in 2026, and I’ll follow it. Hell I’ll suggest you become party leader.The democrats, especially the liberal portion of the party, have an authenticity problem. They don't feel authentic to people outside of liberal and more intellectual focused circles. So much of what they say feels like sterilized language lest anyone be offended, and comes off as infantilizing or pretentious or condescending/patronizing/hollow, things like the attempted forced adoption of the "latinX" label that not only doesn't work in Spanish/Portuguese but actively offends for trying to steal an identity the community is proud in with latino/latina effectively saying that "your culture doesn't meet our definition of inclusive so we're changing it for you"
Conversely the shit shouted out by the right, however vile, feels genuine and authentic because it feels raw and unfiltered. They're "telling it like it is" even if in reality they aren't. People don't want a lecture on vaules and equity, they want someone who is mad about the things that make them mad and is going to fix them
Of course, they ran a quasi Nazi rally in MSG and they won a legitimate electoral and popular mandate. Why would they feel the need to moderate at all?It's going to be so much worse than we ever feared. They're already so comfortable telling us what's coming.
You're right, nothing changed, which is why at best the democrats can only play the margins game in so many precincts across the country, hoping that they can run up the score in their diminishing strongholds to offset areas they've given up on rather than try to connect with people there in a way that meets those people and their needs. The same places that have turned to the grievance politics of the republicans because it makes them feel heard and seen even and validated by the "raw" sewage the party spews, not at them, but on their behalf. The democrats all too often talk down to them, the republicans rage for them. Even if it's true they don't want to hear about "privilege" and fighting for "equity", they want to hear how you're going to HELP THEM. Equity and diversity et all can be in the platform and need to be there, but they can't be the only things there because they're meat for a different group, you need something for everyone if you truly want to grow the tent.If that’s the solution find me a way that translates into electoral gains in 2026, and I’ll follow it. Hell I’ll suggest you become party leader.
I highly doubt it’s that simple. Nothing about “woke” culture or authenticity changed between now and 2020 and Trump—then an incumbent president with its advantages —lost then.
Carr was wrong about the Equal Time rule, media advocacy group Free Press said on November 3. The group pointed to an FCC fact sheet
The major problem being that the Felon45 kakistocracy affects everyone, not just his cult members.
Not if you leave the country! Get out while the getting's good. There's no guarantee Americans will even be permitted to leave in the long term.Huh?You're right, nothing changed, which is why at best the democrats can only play the margins game in so many precincts across the country, hoping that they can run up the score in their diminishing strongholds to offset areas they've given up on rather than try to connect with people there in a way that meets those people and their needs. The same places that have turned to the grievance politics of the republicans because it makes them feel heard and seen even and validated by the "raw" sewage the party spews, not at them, but on their behalf. The democrats all too often talk down to them, the republicans rage for them. Even if it's true they don't want to hear about "privilege" and fighting for "equity", they want to hear how you're going to HELP THEM. Equity and diversity et all can be in the platform and need to be there, but they can't be the only things there because they're meat for a different group, you need something for everyone if you truly want to grow the tent.
I say this as a moderate who agrees with the principles of these things in the democratic party but winces at the sanctimonious vapid virtue signaling spewed out nonstop from the liberal camp of the party. Not everything has to be a DEI topic/lens/battlefield, it's exhausting and patronizing even where I stand let alone for those who don't support the party
Nothing changed because the democrats ran the exact same failing playbook yet again, hoping that this time people would just see the light about how unfair they're being judge and listen to "reason." It's not fair and it's not going to happen, they need to wake up, accept that, and then plan based on reality and not what is fair in principle
LatinX was driving away latinos in 2020 and that only continued in 2024. It's not the only thing but it's an example of the being "talked at" and not "listened to" or "talked to" that is pushing them out in the cold and right into the waiting warm arms of the right wings grievance politics telling them to "be prideful in their culture don't listen to those whiny academic naysayers who are pushing their own opinions on you"Huh?
I said “nothing changed” bc stuff like Latinx precedes Harris, it precedes Biden. Nothing changed and despite that Biden won in a historic turnout 2020, and Harris lost in an unprecedented Trump return. How is all what you’re saying at all relevant to 2016/2020/2024 outcomes, and to a Trump trifecta?
I’m sorry to tell you that you have only lived in an ascendant, liberalizing era and country, but you can absolutely ruin progress, possibly for the foreseeable future. See: Iran, Afghanistan, Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Hong Kong, etc which have all backslid to varying degrees with no clear story back forward. Can you imagine the difference of being a woman under the US-led Afghani government and that same woman after the withdrawal, just a couple years later?They want to put the genie back in the bottle. Not happening. Like inflation with prices going up either faster or slower, the rate of change will slow down during the next four years, but it will pick up again.
The "people" you describe here should be more specifically referred to as "toddlers". You can't have a constitutional republic in a country full of toddlers, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised we elected the guy that's taking notes from Putin.People don't want a lecture on vaules and equity, they want someone who is mad about the things that make them mad and is going to fix them
I know it hurts, but this is, indeed, what the Republican Party has become. Willingly and enthusiastically.(I refuse to call them Republicans. they have nothing to do with the Republicans I grew up around,)
Yeah with the first Trump-a-round, he managed to weaken the checks and balances by appointing corrupt judges, now this time, there is Project 2025, which I'm guessing is the speed run to totally dissolve the remaining checks and balances and remove any govt official who stands in the way, thus paving the way for the prez for life.Perhaps you are thinking, "Don't worry, retribution efforts like that will be stopped by the courts." And then you remember who is going to be appointing judges to the federal courts.
I think what we disagree on is what constitutes a "leftist theory of change." Because I know a bit about leftist theories of change, and "keep promising more of the same centre-right policy (while assisting at least one genocide)" isn't one of them.are you saying this as a counterattack against me? because i'm not disagreeing. but ultimately a majority of americans did.
whose to blame? i don't know! media? i don't know! harris not talking about policies enough? (she did! and they are very normal center-left policies! but i don't know) is it because she's a woman and women are percieved to be more liberal? i don't know!
kamala and biden deliverered some world-beating legislation, inflation got tamped down to historical norms by election day, US is the only developing economy in the world growing at a decent clip, kamala proposes normal democrat stuff (tax redistribution) with an edge of left-populism (anti-price gouging) and then the guy who did a Jan 6th (everyone saw it live!), convicted felon, is going to put RFK in charge of national health, institute consumer-price-hiking tariffs, try again to repeal ACA, supports a national abortion ban isn't considered "too extreme", and ends up winning.
i have no idea! like i said, the entire leftist theory of change and voters is wrong and i don't know what it takes to get one that works.
The democrats and you can complain about how things "should be" all they want, but at some point you have to work with what you have and not what you think should beThe "people" you describe here should be more specifically referred to as "toddlers". You can't have a constitutional republic in a country full of toddlers, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised we elected the guy that's taking notes from Putin.