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It’s been a difficult ruling to get my head around. On the face of it, the court is stating that it’s the only reading that makes sense, legally speaking. Which means it’s 100% on Parliament to update the law to make it explicitly trans-inclusive.

However now we’ve got ex civil servants who worked on the law all but saying the reasoning behind ruling was wrong:



Which is fine, good for her for speaking out. But couldn’t she have, you know, ensured that was actually in the text of the bill?
Time for a new bill.
 

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That said, I think the ruling does something interesting. It makes the legal distinction between gender and biological sex clear and explicit, something many anti-trans activists deny is a real difference. It also reaffirms trans rights against discrimination based on assigned gender.

I'm not trying to say it's a good decision, but it's one that could be leveraged for potentially good things, including Parliament revising the Equality Act's related wording to be specifically about legal gender instead of biological sex. Something that is already being discussed.
I appreciate trying to find a silver-lining in these dark clouds. Some additional thoughts…

The UK Equality Act 2010 already made clear protections of broader discrimination based on “gender reassignment” (their term) - that wasn’t clarified by this ruling; the Court only made clear that this ruling does not remove gender as a protected characteristic outside of single-sex spaces. The Equality Act was intended to make no distinction between sex and gender reassignment. It didn’t have to. The Gender Recognition Act 2004 already provides legal recognition for trans people as members of the sex aligned with their gender. A trans woman with a Gender Recognition Certificate is legally “female”. The Equality Act defines a “woman” as “female”. Therefore, a trans woman is legally a “woman”. What anti-trans activists had been fighting for, even before this Supreme Court case, was that gender should not be a protected characteristic as it applies to single-sex spaces, and the Equality Act should be changed to reflect that. Rather than having to change the Equality Act to say that only biological women are “women”, the Supreme Court did all the work for them by redefining what “woman” means. This gave anti-trans activists everything they could have hoped for.

Parliment could theoterically try to revise the UK Equality Act to redefine “woman” to include “gender”, but there appears to be neither the political will, or liklihood of it surviving legal challenges given this Supreme Court ruling, which was not simply based on the technicality of an ambiguous definition of “woman”. Recall that this whole case started in Scotland, where Scottish Parliament passed the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act 2018, which did define the term “woman” as including people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. The activist group For Women Scotland (FWS, and backed by JK Rowling), challenged the definition, and subsequent legislation removed the definition of “woman”, bringing it in line with the Equality Act. FWS was obviously not happy with that, and they appealed, and it eventually made its way to the UK Supreme Court. Keeping “sex” as an immutable protected characteristic provides legal “clarity” to a host of otherwise seemingly complicated legal challenges. The Supreme Court knew damn well what the meaning of “woman” in UK Equality Act was, but they, at best, just didn’t want to deal with it, and at worst, didn’t like it.

This is going to be a very hard nut to crack, I don’t think it will be as easy as just making a few changes to the Equality Act language. It doesn’t appear to be a case of “do better” with the definitions and try again. And even if there's eventually the political will, and even if it can overcome legal challenges, it will likely still take many years to reverse. Meanwhile, they are wasting no time in implementing this decision, as the chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission is already giddily drafting up new statutory guidance based on the decision for implementation as soon as this summer (yes, that’s right, the chair of the EHRC that is responsible for the promotion and enforcement of equality and non-discrimination laws in England is a bigot... sound familiar?). Like the Cass Report, this Supreme Court decision is likely to be politically weaponized both in the UK and in the US to reverse trans rights.

I also want to add a personal note to this…

I of course accept that my biological sex is male (at least in the ways that matter). But just like “sex” is actually more nuanced and complicated than XX/XY (and even more so when trans people have had gender-affirming surgery, such as myself), “gender” is not simply a social construct as many people understand it. To probably most cisgender people who understand the social construct of “gender”, it is only recognizable as a social construct. However, setting aside my genetic profile or my physical attributes, I am still female. I am still a woman regardless of the way I talk, or the way I dress, or what interests I have. Unfortunately, we don’t have a unique word for “gender” in the way many trans people experience it, which may be a significant part of the problem. “Gender” (not as a social construct) is an innate part of my being - it’s what makes me both a female and a woman despite my XY chromosones. It’s an experience of innate gender that most cisgender people take for granted because there is no schism for them between their biological sex and their innate gender - everything aligns in a way that they can’t distinguish one behind the other.

So it’s rather offensive to me when people think there’s a way to separate “sex” and “female” and “woman” from “gender” when it comes to anything other than the scientific understanding of biology and the medical nuances of my healthcare. Of course the UK Supreme Court’s decision is not intended to regulate the definition of “sex” or “woman” for the sake of science or my health, it is intended to regulate society. And in this decision, they declared I am not a woman as it relates to society, I’m actually a man just playing dress-up. And they can go fuck themselves.

Court ruling on ‘woman’ at odds with UK Equality Act aim, says ex-civil servant
How did the UK Supreme Court define a woman and what happens now?
Supreme Court backs 'biological' definition of woman
U.K. Supreme Court issues key ruling on definition of "woman" under existing equality law
Supreme Court judges consider ruling on definition of a woman
Scotland gender representation public boards
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Keeping “sex” as an immutable protected characteristic provides legal “clarity” to a host of otherwise seemingly complicated legal challenges.
Indeed, based again on the article I posted previously, it appears the lack of “clarity” was politically motivated:

The supreme court’s decision to state definitively that the Equality Act could only refer to biological women or men was based heavily on the act’s mention of women in the sections on pregnancy and maternity provision.

Field claims those clauses were changed on the instruction of ministers for political reasons to emphasise womanhood, despite the risks that could undermine the rights of a trans man who became pregnant. That “undermines the coherence of the drafting and I fear that this anomaly played a significant role in the approach taken by the court,” she said.

I think, as a point of constitutional principle, Parliament could pass an amending act that defined terms and re-worked some sections to be trans-inclusive. That would supersede the court’s ruling and render it obsolete. But that would take a political iron will that I’ve seen no evidence exists in our current government.

In fact, we’ve had government ministers either publicly agreeing with the ruling or at least publicly hoping this means all this awkward (for them) gender discussion will go away now.

There is a huge demonstration going on in Trafalgar Square at the moment.

I've had a quick look at the transphobic Guardian which hasn't covered it just yet.
They have now though they only covered London, as is tradition. There have been and are planned demonstrations across the country this weekend.

Pictures from Edinburgh [1] [2], for example.
 

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“Gender” (not as a social construct) is an innate part of my being - it’s what makes me both a female and a woman despite my XY chromosones. It’s an experience of innate gender that most cisgender people take for granted because there is no schism for them between their biological sex and their innate gender - everything aligns in a way that they can’t distinguish one behind the other.

Do you think this is where a reasonable chunk of uninformed transphobic viewpoints stem from? People see a disconnect between mind and body, and because the body is visible and the mind is squishy and hidden they assume it’s the mind at fault?
 

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Do you think this is where a reasonable chunk of uninformed transphobic viewpoints stem from? People see a disconnect between mind and body, and because the body is visible and the mind is squishy and hidden they assume it’s the mind at fault?
I do not.

As a relatively typical cis person, I think I would be lying if I say I truly "got it". However, I think there's room to do what's right without 100% getting it.

I think a lot of anti-trans positions overlap with positions against other LGBTQ populations. It's probably not worth rehashing those. I think the more interesting question is, "Why are trans folks subject to so much more extreme response than other LGTBQ folks?"

I think it comes down to the presence of trans folks potentially requires more social adaptation from folks than, say, same sex relationships have. A lot of folks that are less-than-comfortable with same sex relationships can pretty easily tell themselves, "I let other folks do their thing, steer clear, and say, 'No, thank you,' if it comes my direction." They can shrug at legal recognition of same-sex marriage, but get annoyed when a same-sex relationship appears in a show their kids might watch.

For these folks, the possibility that that a trans person might "pass" prompts more unease than the existence of same sex relationships because they worry they might not be able to keep a trans person who "passes" at arms length. "What if I (or my kid) meet someone and strike up a relationship before realizing that the person is not cis?"

To put it in more blunt terms, accepting trans folks means embracing integration, which is a bridge a number of folks would still rather not cross.
 

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Do you think this is where a reasonable chunk of uninformed transphobic viewpoints stem from? People see a disconnect between mind and body, and because the body is visible and the mind is squishy and hidden they assume it’s the mind at fault?
Interesting question, I'm not an expert on bigotry, but I can see how that's an avenue for transphobia. There are many people who don't believe that transgender is "real", and just think someone like me is deluded, however, they take the "live and let live" approach - they realize it doesn't affect them in any significant way, and are cool with it regardless of what they really think. And then there are people who think someone like me is deluded, and they have a major problem with that, almost entirely on principle (because the reality is that trans people hardly ever affect the lives of others in any significantly negative way). Let's be honest - everyone who accepts me as a woman is accepting it on good faith. I can't show them a brain scan or genetic markers that "prove" I'm really a woman who just happened to be born with XY chromosomes.

This is a thought exercise I suggest to cisgender people who struggle with the "proof" part. If you woke up one morning as the opposite biological sex, and you were stuck that way for the rest of your life, but everything in your brain felt exactly the same as it does right now, would you feel like that was the wrong sex for you? Aside from the brief novelty of the idea, I think most people, if they're being really honest with themselves and not just trying to prove a point, would reject it, if not be horrified by the prospect of that. If so, why?
 

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There are many people who don't believe that transgender is "real", and just think someone like me is deluded, however, they take the "live and let live" approach - they realize it doesn't affect them in any significant way, and are cool with it regardless of what they really think.
If I’m honest, I don’t ’get it’, in the sense that being transgender is so far removed from any experience I’ve had, or am likely to have, that I can’t pretend to understand it.* But I have trans friends, and them being trans impacts on my life in exactly zero ways.

That’s enough for me — if unconditionally accepting my trans friends as being who they say they are materially improves their lives with zero effect on my own…? Who the fuck should have a problem with that? This is literally the least thing I can do and it helps. I don’t need to understand it to do the right thing. I’m never going to know what it’s like to be black, but I still know that racism is wrong.

*Although, in a weirdly oblique way, I kind of do: I’m a goth. I’ve been one since the 80s, so I know a lot of goths, and one of the striking things about the goth ‘experience’ is how many of us will say that we felt out of place and… alien, until we discovered the goth scene. Suddenly, it was like finding a missing piece of the jigsaw of ourselves. We said to ourselves “Oh! This was the bit that was missing!” And then we remade the outside of us so that it matched the inside that we now understood. There’s a reason why the goth scene is very accepting of trans people, and entirely it’s unsurprising that The Matrix spoke to goths in exactly the same way it spoke to trans people.
 

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Indeed, based again on the article I posted previously, it appears the lack of “clarity” was politically motivated:
I know how this sounds, me somewhat contradicting a person involved in drafting up the legislation in the first place, but a few things...

I don't think the lack of "clarity" in the Equality Act was politically motivated in a way to oppress trans people. Keep in mind, though sections have been amended over the years, the act was ratified in 2010 - 15 years ago. Our language, understanding and awareness of trans people has evolved over that time. Personally, I do understand it's problematic to replace the term "women" with "birthing people" or similar non-gendered language - that's when women start feeling "erased".

The issue of trans people in single-sex spaces does have complications. Taking sports for example, I think blanket sports bans are wrong. But I also understand concerns about having zero regulations when it comes to organized competitive sports. Bathrooms are not complicated, but I can understand the concerns about changing rooms when trans women who have not had genital surgery use them (to be clear, the reality is that trans women who still have their natal genitalia do not walk around a changing room or shower butt-naked swinging their dick around - almost all trans women are quite embarrassed by their natal genitalia and do everything to hide it). So the "clarity" referred to is as it applies to removing those complications. If you simply "ban" trans people from single-sex spaces, there's no "complexity" to deciding whether a trans woman who is swinging their dick around a changing room can legally be asked to leave (again, even though that's not really a thing).

So, I'm just going to call BS on the justices pointing to the act's mention of "women" in the pregnancy and maternity provision. That's some pretzel logic to assert that because only the term "women" is mentioned in sections dealing with pregnancy and maternity, that the term "women" therefore has to be exclusive to biological women. Again, trans women who have Gender Recognition Certification are (or at least were) legally recognized as "female". The justices were looking for something to make their decision seem more "logical", when it defies the sound logic already in place (as well as the reality that they are hurting trans people without any practical justification). Suggesting that if only the act had included additional or different terms in the pregnancy section would have resulted in a different ruling is wishful thinking. Once they committed to pretzel logic, they'd just find a different pretzel.
 

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I think the more interesting question is, "Why are trans folks subject to so much more extreme response than other LGTBQ folks?"
Snipped to the part I'd like to address... they weren't. And now they are.

LGB acceptance became too mainstream to widely scapegoat and campaign on, so bigotry has shifted to an even smaller group. I'm long past the point now where I simply acknowledge that conservatism = bigotry. I'm under no illusions that they won't go backward to discriminate against LGB as well, they'd LOVE to.

(ETA And those awful immigrants, and black people. Oh and don't forget women.)
 
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*Although, in a weirdly oblique way, I kind of do: I’m a goth. I’ve been one since the 80s, so I know a lot of goths, and one of the striking things about the goth ‘experience’ is how many of us will say that we felt out of place and… alien, until we discovered the goth scene. Suddenly, it was like finding a missing piece of the jigsaw of ourselves. We said to ourselves “Oh! This was the bit that was missing!” And then we remade the outside of us so that it matched the inside that we now understood. There’s a reason why the goth scene is very accepting of trans people, and entirely it’s unsurprising that The Matrix spoke to goths in exactly the same way it spoke to trans people.

Furries tend to have the same experience, for the same reason. And as a whole, tend to be very trans-accepting as well, again, for the same reason.
 

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Furries tend to have the same experience, for the same reason. And as a whole, tend to be very trans-accepting as well, again, for the same reason.
I think that a lot of fringe groups tend to have that kind of experience. Most of the time, it leads to a similar realization of acceptance too.
 

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...I can understand the concerns about changing rooms when trans women who have not had genital surgery use them (to be clear, the reality is that trans women who still have their natal genitalia do not walk around a changing room or shower butt-naked swinging their dick around - almost all trans women are quite embarrassed by their natal genitalia and do everything to hide it).
I tend to think that many places where there is some semi-legitimate concern (such as this) is an indication that there is a strong assumption of heteronormativity - no one in a female locker room cares about the nudity of any other women, and the reverse for male locker rooms. The thing is, that never was true, either in the sexual sense (since homosexuals obviously always existed, even if pushed to the margins), and certainly not in the social sense of plenty of people getting mistreated/feeling uncomfortable for how they look nude even when there was absolutely no direct sexual reason. Junior high locker rooms being an obvious example, but there's a high percentage of people in this world that are not comfortable in their skin.

So the answer isn't to ban one small group to make people very slightly less uncomfortable; the answer is to design the rooms so that people don't need to be nude in front of each other. And allow people (such as families with children) to have a path through that isn't going to encounter nudity. I'm not even saying I have necessarily used it if I had a young son in the locker room with me, but giving people spaces that allow them to make that choice would benefit everyone involved.
 

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I tend to think that many places where there is some semi-legitimate concern (such as this) is an indication that there is a strong assumption of heteronormativity - no one in a female locker room cares about the nudity of any other women, and the reverse for male locker rooms.

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So the answer isn't to ban one small group to make people very slightly less uncomfortable; the answer is to design the rooms so that people don't need to be nude in front of each other.<snip>
Snipping to the parts I'd like to address.

I'm cis-male and do not like being nude in a cis-male locker room, so in that sense, I care. (ThoughI don't care about other people being nude in my presence, male/female/cis/trans.)

So I agree with the second part, I'd like a bit of privacy in change rooms.
 
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The FA (English Football Association) has now banned trans women from playing women's football.

The FA says among the 10-plus million who play recreational or grassroots football in England, only 20 transgender players are registered. There are no trans women in the professional game.

So, basically, fuck these 20 people in particular because of the way they were born. I just love living on TERF island 🙄

I really want to emphasise that. 20 people. Out of 10 million+. Just 20.

We really have lost all sense of proportionality.
 

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You know, I believe Joanne is a writer of sorts. You would think she would realize bragging about a plan while smugly sucking on a cigar is villain behavior.
She's quoting and referencing a 'hero' of American television, the leader of the A-Team, John 'Hannibal' Smith.
 
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Silver lining: I don't need to worry about any of my kids being drafted, anymore.
Don't worry; the moral courage of barstool conservatives is such that they'll sloppily wear makeup for a week and get out of the draft for a war they provoke, while your kids get drafted and are forced to perform their birth gender under fire.

It'll be like the women who talk tough in AIT then get pregnant right before deployment.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/06/trump-trans-military-ban-court



I guess it is expected? Is there even that many trans people in military? The argument form Trump's administration is also questionable IMHO.
That article has the Department of Defense estimating that there were 4,240 people in the military with a diagnosis of gender dysphoria - though it just linked to a New York Times story that was paywalled. I see the same information in this story from NPR:
In an email to NPR, the Department of Defense said currently 4,240 active-duty service members, Guard and Reserve had been diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
I'm not sure that is necessarily the best indicator though - my understanding is that there is a high reluctance among military personnel to get an official diagnosis for other conditions that could impact their service (for example: depression, alcohol/substance abuse issues, suicidal thoughts, and even physical injuries). I could be wrong on that but I would be surprised if this did not carry over to gender dysphoria, especially with the uncertainty going from Obama to Trump to Biden (and then back to Trump).

Other places have tried to estimate the number of transgender individuals (not just the number officially diagnosed with gender dysphoria) and came to a higher number; this estimate from 2014 from the Williams Institute at UCLA seems to be the high-end, putting the number at around 15,500. That would have been back before Obama allowed transgender individuals to serve openly. A 2016 study by the RAND Corporation estimated between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people were serving, out of about 1.3 million people (I believe that is only the active duty members, so not including the reserves). That study also estimated between 10 to 130 individuals could have deployment issues due to treatments related to gender transition, compared to 50,000 soldiers in the active duty army who were nondeployable for various reasons in 2015. Assuming this is the right data from statista.com, there were around 487,366 people in the active duty army in 2015.
 

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So this isn't policy focused or really focused at all but I need to scream into the void. I have my annual evaluation in like 4.5 hours and I know the number of days I've missed ~37 is going to come up. I know I cannot say Look, January onwards but especially Jaunuary was just terrible for everyone in the LGBT+ community but as one of the "T's" it's been a non stop nightmare. So I've taken a lot of leave without pay and choked down what new meds I'm on but yeah, I'm not in a good place. I'm getting to a better place as time goes on but teaching is hard, teaching a subject/group of students you don't like is harder and doing all that while the state and federal governments toss around the idea you're indoctrinating the next generation of 'perverts' with your queerness is just exhausting and migraine inducing. I think I've gotten more migraines in the past 4 months that in the rest of my life.

I'm not sure how to get across the level of just terror that I feel leaving my house depending on where I'm going and school is one of the worst places. For me with my population of students with emotional and behavioral disorders them walking up to me and saying "Sup faggot, how was your weekend getting raped" results in a redirection and goes no further. Constant attacks on my sexuality, my wife's sexuality (we teach in the same school), my apperence "Yo wearing a dress doesn't NOT make you look like a cave man MF" .... you get the idea.

Short of invoking the civil rights era I don't think there is a way to get a cis person to see just how bad things can be if you're openly queer, for the definition of being married to my wife and trans counts. It's not like I'm throwing shit in everyones faces. Anyway, between that kind of treatment and Trump acting like the next Dictator for Life with an axe to grind.

Any ideas how I can explain my absences to my assistant principal without saying the above but still getting the message across?
 

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Any ideas how I can explain my absences to my assistant principal without saying the above but still getting the message across?
First - my sympathies. Times suck right now and you shouldn't have to deal with that shit.

As for how to bring it up to the assistant principal? Hard to say without knowing them but I assume that either being straightforward would be the best path or they won't get (or accept) it at all. You could say "things have been rough for people like me" and point at your trans-ness without calling it out, but if they get the point and understand I don't see how saying "I'm trans and feel under attack daily" would be any worse. And if they are assholes and wouldn't tolerate the more specific answer I don't see how getting it across in a less specific way would be helpful. Either they get it, at which point they are or are not understanding, or they don't get it.

Probably not the answer you were looking for, but it's the way I see it.
 

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Utah's Department of Health recently published a more than 1000 page report concluding there is significant scientific and medical evidence supporting gender affirming care for minors. The report says that gender affirming care starting before the age of 18 has marked health benefits including reduced risk of death from suicide, HIV/AIDS, and other non-natural causes. The report also finds that patients who regret receiving gender affirming care as minors rarely regret it.

https://apnews.com/article/utah-rep...h-care-youth-ba498f4b0a8f21905b0f563b85b8dbd6

https://www.ksl.com/article/5132157...r-minors-after-report-finds-positive-outcomes

These news articles on the topic point out that Utah's current ban on new minors receiving gender affirming care is based on claims by politicians that there is "not enough evidence" to support the treatment and that more evidence was needed before providing "unproven treatments" to Utah youth.

I mean I'm fairly certain politicians are going to continue claiming that, but they'll be lying even worse now.
 

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Utah's Department of Health recently published a more than 1000 page report concluding there is significant scientific and medical evidence supporting gender affirming care for minors. The report says that gender affirming care starting before the age of 18 has marked health benefits including reduced risk of death from suicide, HIV/AIDS, and other non-natural causes. The report also finds that patients who regret receiving gender affirming care as minors rarely regret it.

https://apnews.com/article/utah-rep...h-care-youth-ba498f4b0a8f21905b0f563b85b8dbd6

https://www.ksl.com/article/5132157...r-minors-after-report-finds-positive-outcomes

These news articles on the topic point out that Utah's current ban on new minors receiving gender affirming care is based on claims by politicians that there is "not enough evidence" to support the treatment and that more evidence was needed before providing "unproven treatments" to Utah youth.

I mean I'm fairly certain politicians are going to continue claiming that, but they'll be lying even worse now.
Turns out Utah Republicans pose a far greater danger to children than gender-affirming care.
 

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Turns out Utah Republicans pose a far greater danger to children than gender-affirming care.
It's never been about kids-- the goal is to eliminate trans people from public life entirely. Banning gender-affirming care during the window where it is most effective (during puberty, before irreversible changes toward a person's AGAB have set in) is just part of that.

Bans for adults will follow, likely at the federal level after Trump's stacked Supreme Court declares that discrimination protections don't apply to trans people (in US v. Skrmetti, which is still pending but unlikely to be a favorable ruling for trans people given the current court makeup).
 

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It's never been about kids-- the goal is to eliminate trans people from public life entirely. Banning gender-affirming care during the window where it is most effective (during puberty, before irreversible changes toward a person's AGAB have set in) is just part of that.

Bans for adults will follow, likely at the federal level after Trump's stacked Supreme Court declares that discrimination protections don't apply to trans people (in US v. Skrmetti, which is still pending but unlikely to be a favorable ruling for trans people given the current court makeup).
Predictably, all other LGBTQ+ people will be next.
 

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Pretty great Ezra Klein interview with Sarah McBride on how the trans movement lost popular support between 2022 and the present:


View: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1548604447?i=1000713219594


I didn’t know much about her before listening and wow, she’s incredibly articulate. One of the more insightful things I’ve listened to in a while.

[edit] I realize that “lost popular support” is ambiguous. I don’t mean that no one supports the trans movement, I mean that the degree of support decreased per polling.
 

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This is actually worse than it sounds because while overturning the court case that allows for minors to be treated when you look at the language, especially that Roberts, you can see that non-conformity is no longer a protected class.

That means they can come for everybody if you are nothing other than cis white heterosexual male or female. This allows for the discrimination of not just trans people in theory but for the discrimination against anyone who is a member of minority group that is not explicitly protected. I would not be surprised if this led to a ruling against Bostock using this case as precedent. That would take away transgender people's protection from medical discrimination from work discrimination from housing... It's a very scary time to be trans in America.
 

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This is actually worse than it sounds because while overturning the court case that allows for minors to be treated when you look at the language, especially that Roberts, you can see that non-conformity is no longer a protected class.

That means they can come for everybody if you are nothing other than cis white heterosexual male or female. This allows for the discrimination of not just trans people in theory but for the discrimination against anyone who is a member of minority group that is not explicitly protected. I would not be surprised if this led to a ruling against Bostock using this case as precedent. That would take away transgender people's protection from medical discrimination from work discrimination from housing... It's a very scary time to be trans in America.

That, and it provides cover for people to claim you are LGBT+ and then discriminate freely.
 

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This is actually worse than it sounds because while overturning the court case that allows for minors to be treated when you look at the language, especially that Roberts, you can see that non-conformity is no longer a protected class.

That means they can come for everybody if you are nothing other than cis white heterosexual male or female. This allows for the discrimination of not just trans people in theory but for the discrimination against anyone who is a member of minority group that is not explicitly protected. I would not be surprised if this led to a ruling against Bostock using this case as precedent. That would take away transgender people's protection from medical discrimination from work discrimination from housing... It's a very scary time to be trans in America.
Bostock still applies. They deliberately didn't follow the final logical step of looking at who needs gender-affirming medical care so they could claim the law doesn't violate the Equal Protection Clause because no minors can have access to gender-affirming care under the law. Of course cisgender minors don't want or need gender-affirming care, a child could see through this "reasoning," but it certainly opens the door to banning gender-affirming care for adults.
 
That means they can come for everybody if you are nothing other than cis white heterosexual male or female.
The whole development is extremely scary and unfortunately the hatred is contaminating the debate in the EU as well. I hear the same tired anti-trans rhetoric more and more over here too and it's extremely scary, especially as I'm figuring out who the frig I am, what I want to be and considering taking some small steps towards coming "out".

I also have to wondering if this also extends further than just "cis white heterosexual" because I've also seen increasing rhetoric against any woman who refuses to be a 1950s "stepford" level "submissive" housewife. If you're a woman, and aro/ace/whatever and don't want to be married to a man in a traditional marriage this might also be used against you.

"No-no-no, you're not being discriminated against by the bank for being a woman by not receiving a loan or a creditcard or whatever, you're being discriminated against because you don't have a husband. Totally legal"...
 
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I don't get why people can't figure out that transphobia was just a backdoor for misogyny.

The abuse levelled at noncompliant cis women focused around implying they were trans. The obsession with assaulting trans women was just an excuse to punch women in the face.

They can't do that without cover so they pick a minority of women to divide opinions on. Same shit as them calling black women manly.
 

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I don't get why people can't figure out that transphobia was just a backdoor for misogyny.

The abuse levelled at noncompliant cis women focused around implying they were trans. The obsession with assaulting trans women was just an excuse to punch women in the face.

They can't do that without cover so they pick a minority of women to divide opinions on. Same shit as them calling black women manly.
Walmart fired a tall cis woman because some asshole started a fight thinking she was trans:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/walmart-fires-64-cisgender-woman-210344920.html
 

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Walmart fired a tall cis woman because some asshole started a fight thinking she was trans:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/walmart-fires-64-cisgender-woman-210344920.html

At least there's this (bold mine):

We’ve reviewed the situation and will be addressing it internally. We’ve also made multiple attempts to invite Ms. Davis to return to work, with back pay.

I actually wasn't expecting that level of restitution to be on offer. But honestly, I'm not sure if I'd take the offer, either, in her case:

Davis received a similar email from Walmart offering reinstatement with back pay, but she told the Post she is unsure if she will accept the offer.

“I think it would just be a hostile environment to return to,” she said.

I also somehow doubt they'd be making the same offer if the shithead customer had correctly identified her as trans, as if a man barging into a women's restroom to loudly threaten physical violence against a woman inside is somehow magically better if the woman actually is trans.
 
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