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dredphul

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I've been quite enjoying the "Mage Errant" series by John Bierce. Similar sort of style and themes to the Cradle series, but mage university instead of wuxia - it does throw some good twists at you along the way. Just finished book 5 of 7 out so far, and it's been getting more refined and stronger characterization with each book. Recommended for some fun light reading.
It's a good series.

The 7th book is the last one in the series (as far as the main conflict is concerned). The author hasn't committed to new books in the series so we'll see if continues.

Re: "The Angel Wore Fangs" shows that just because something is popular ("New York Times Bestselling Author"?) doesn't mean that it's good.
 
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Usually I try to just let people enjoy what they want, but I'll cop to drawing the line at MAGA. I guess I should go post in the "hills to die on" thread.

Speaking of niche genres, I decided to pick up The Archive Undying, because I like mechs of most flavors. The description ends with "get in the robot" so I was very confident that I am squarely in the target audience. Will report back.
 

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Usually I try to just let people enjoy what they want, but I'll cop to drawing the line at MAGA. I guess I should go post in the "hills to die on" thread.

Speaking of niche genres, I decided to pick up The Archive Undying, because I like mechs of most flavors. The description ends with "get in the robot" so I was very confident that I am squarely in the target audience. Will report back.
First, that isn't an absurd hill. That is an utterly reasonable hill.

Second, please let us all know what you think of The Archive Undying! I read the bumf, then the first several pages included in the sample, and I am intrigued as hell.
 

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I heard about this through various means. It might be just on the edge of "so stupid I have to read it". Regardless, it needed to be shared.

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/26244536
At times I think of modern culture as a bubbling cauldron over a raging fire, in which boils all of the culture we as a species have produced so far, and out of which comes sometimes the most delicious new kind of soup, and sometimes revolting swill.

Looking at this, I may have to update my mental model from "cauldron" to "centrifuge". Eventually the raw ingredients will be agitated to such a degree that nothing but clear liquid remains.
 
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It's a good series.

The 7th book is the last one in the series (as far as the main conflict is concerned). The author hasn't committed to new books in the series so we'll see if continues.

Re: "The Angel Wore Fangs" shows that just because something is popular ("New York Times Bestselling Author"?) doesn't mean that it's good.
Just wrapped up book 7 Last night. That was a fun ride!

Will check out some of the author’s other works, after I go through a few of the “if you like my stuff you might like these books” he notes.
 

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The Dresden Files reread from Changes on has reached the recent books, Peace Talks and Battle Ground. Currently in Peace Talks. I remember not particularly liking either. I know he had some personal drama going on when these were being written, and he wound up breaking one book into two to try to salvage it, and I'm sure it helped, but just not as much as he'd've liked.
 

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I'm trying to slog through Good Omens. I've got to (I assume) the penultimate chapter, and it's not really doing it for me. I picked it up sort of on a lark because audible recommended it.

I remember reading American Gods and also being underwhelmed (not sure I finished it, tbh). I've not read any of Discworld, or Pratchett in general, so I'm wondering if Good Omens is a good insight into Pratchett/Discworld, or if I don't like Good Omens, I can go ahead and scratch Discworld off my "too read someday" list? Any thoughts from the hivemind?
 

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I've not read any of Discworld, or Pratchett in general, so I'm wondering if Good Omens is a good insight into Pratchett/Discworld, or if I don't like Good Omens, I can go ahead and scratch Discworld off my "too read someday" list? Any thoughts from the hivemind?
I have Good Omens but I haven't read it yet, don't care.

Discworld, however, is IMHO the best fantasy series of all time. It will delight and move you. Discworld is so good I took the time to italicise its title in this post, writing out the BBCode (or whatever XenForo calls it) by hand on my phone. Twice.

I recommend it.
 

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I have Good Omens but I haven't read it yet, don't care.

Discworld, however, is IMHO the best fantasy series of all time. It will delight and move you. Discworld is so good I took the time to italicise its title in this post, writing out the BBCode (or whatever XenForo calls it) by hand on my phone. Twice.

I recommend it.
Discworld, is not a thing, it is a series of things.

You have the Mort stories, the Witches, Rincewind, Carrot and the City Watch, Vimes and City Watch/noble intrigue, the barbarians, etc. There are people and places that show up in many of the books, but they are part of the flavor of Discworld.

You may not necessarily like every Discworld book, but you will find something to like.

How can you not like a series that shows how expensive it is to be poor via boots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory
 

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While I have never read any of the Discworld books, I stole this graphic from Twitter years ago for if I ever did decide to take the plunge:

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Perhaps it will help someone else!
 

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That does! I read color of magic, and didn't get into it. I sort of assumed all of the books were tied together. This looks more like a set of series tied to the same world.
They are loosely connected. I've gone through and read them all (using either that exact reading list or a similar one)

If you didn't like Colour of Magic I'd give the light fantastic a read before writing off the Rincewind novels.

That said my favorite books are the Industrial revolution or Death books but I just really love some of the characters in them. I'm never sure if Moist von Lipwig (Industrial Revolution) or Susan Sto Helit (later Death books) are my favorite characters

Also if you can find them there are very good tv Movies (by Sky One) of Colour of Magic/Light Fantastic, Going Postal, and Hogfather.
 

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The industrial revolution arc was probably my least favorite. Going Postal was a fun read, but the rest were eh. Snuff got a little sanctimonious and had Vetinari take things seemingly a bit personally than I would expect. Also the City Watch characters got dragged out a bit too often in the end. I liked most of their novels, but they kept showing up everywhere else and I consider some of the the Industrial Revolution books just to be Watch books with a secondary plot element.

I will defend the Rincewind novels as good world building books for areas not Ankh-Morpork. They were some of the roughest books as they were their Terry’s earliest in the… Series? Multimedia kingdom? But they were interesting to read if you wanted to know more about the Disc than the generally more region specific Witches and Watch books.
 
I'll hop in here too regarding Discworld. I've been reading in publishing order. I'm on Guards! Guards! and I can't make myself read it. I've literally been stuck on this title for over a year. Every time I pick it up, I make it another 20 pages before I tap out. It's good. I can see that it's good. I just can't stay with it.

I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the others to this point with Pyramids being my personal least favorite. Mort and Equal Rites are probably at the top of my list.
 

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I'll hop in here too regarding Discworld. I've been reading in publishing order. I'm on Guards! Guards! and I can't make myself read it. I've literally been stuck on this title for over a year. Every time I pick it up, I make it another 20 pages before I tap out. It's good. I can see that it's good. I just can't stay with it.

I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the others to this point with Pyramids being my personal least favorite. Mort and Equal Rites are probably at the top of my list.
Why punish yourself reading something you don't vibe with?

Skip ahead to "Moving Pictures", "Monstrous Regiment", or "Witches Abroad" if you want to continue reading Discworld novels.

"Witches Abroad" features the return of Granny Weatherwax along with some fairytale and Shakespeare references. If you liked "Equal Rites" this might be one you'd like.

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Too much Discworld talk let me to spend almost $40 on some Kindle copies of Discworld books. I've been meaning to buy e-copies (don't know what happened to my dead tree versions), but I've been too cheap to spend almost $7 a copy. Ah well, got some of the early stuff. Will get to reading after I'm done with what I'm reading now.
 
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Why punish yourself reading something you don't vibe with?

Skip ahead to "Moving Pictures", "Monstrous Regiment", or "Witches Abroad" if you want to continue reading Discworld novels.

"Witches Abroad" features the return of Granny Weatherwax along with some fairytale and Shakespeare references. If you liked "Equal Rites" this might be one you'd like.

Edit:

Too much Discworld talk let me to spend almost $40 on some Kindle copies of Discworld books. I've been meaning to buy e-copies (don't know what happened to my dead tree versions), but I've been too cheap to spend almost $7 a copy. Ah well, got some of the early stuff. Will get to reading after I'm done with what I'm reading now.
I think you can get most of them via libraries without waits around here through I'd honestly have to check been awhile since I did a reread and I've kind of moved on to cozy fantasy stories than high fantasy

The world is too bleak as is I want happiness damnit.
 

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I'm about 50 pages into "Left Hand of Darkness". I read the book back in ~ 1985, and it's weird what I remember. I thought the premise was going to be a big reveal, but no, it's right there in the beginning.

I'm enjoying it so far. interesting world-building, and I wonder if she ever fleshed out the explorers. I don't think she did (TBH, I don't see it as something that would interest her too much).
 
The Dresden Files reread from Changes on has reached the recent books, Peace Talks and Battle Ground. Currently in Peace Talks. I remember not particularly liking either. I know he had some personal drama going on when these were being written, and he wound up breaking one book into two to try to salvage it, and I'm sure it helped, but just not as much as he'd've liked.

That entire situation was a mess. Butcher went through a divorce, then had construction issues with his house so he didn’t have a good place to write. Then the book split sounds like a fairly late decision when he couldn’t shrink it into one volume that didn’t go so well. The surgery that split one book in two was obvious and messy. On top of that it wasn’t handled well. Peace Talks probably had pacing issues to begin with, but then didn’t even take advantage of the split to elaborate or extend some scenes to breathe a little. Side plots that could have used some significant elaboration were glossed over while the book as a whole felt rushed. Plus this is the first time post-Changes Harry’s seen a lot of these characters. Some reunion scenes and discussions of everything he’s been through would have been appropriate (especially with Luccio and Ivy, but missed opportunities here abounded). As the first half of a long book it would have been a lot less noticeable but post-break it was obvious and a major issue. The end result was a book that felt like exactly what it was, an unfinished half book that didn’t even try to tell a complete story and was easily one of the worst in the series.

Battle Ground came out far better to such a degree that I’d be surprised if fleshing it out wasn’t the driving factor behind breaking Peace Talks in two. Despite being effectively a non-stop battle sequence for almost the entire book it doesn’t outstay its welcome with enough ebbs and flows to the events that it’s able to maintain its flow all the way to the end. Really my single biggest issue with Battle Ground is that Harry’s fight scenes have gotten stale. 17 books into the series we’ve seen fuego and forzare and his shield bracelet in countless situations and variations, but he’s still essentially casting the same spells he was in Storm Front, just with a bigger boom. The most interesting fights in this one were when we got to see other wizards and their own styles. Even Harry himself realizes he’s counting on raw power to overcome a lack of finesse. It’s time to add a few new tools to his toolbox. But overall this was a vast improvement on the underwhelming Peace Talks. In fact, despite being far more excited for PT (first new Dresden Files in years) and it being a much shorter book I read BG in about a third the time.

I just hope Butcher’s found his place again. His personal life unfortunately hasn’t gotten any better (the poor guy has since gone through another divorce so we’ll see how things end up.
 

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So ended up abandoning (for now at least) the book I'm reading to go read Discworld.

Powered through "Equal Rites" -- first appearance of Granny Weatherwax (without her companions not as strong of a character and less comedic potential and less symbolism). Read through this pretty quickly and it's an amusing book -- not as deep or funny as his best works.

"Sourcery" -- a Rincewind adventure featuring Conina the barbarian thief (I think this is her only appearance). Funnier than "Equal Rites" and closer to the humor Pratchett was known for. "Equal Rites" and earlier works didn't feature the funny footnotes Pratchett used to great effect. This is the first one in my reread I see with footnotes.
 
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Just finished this book and Tretheway, like Elizabeth Rush, is a very good nature writer. I had some experience working on mapping vessels back in my youth and it was very interesting to "go back out" albeit in my arm chair with much newer vessels and equipment. She builds up the background of ocean mapping, how little we really know, e.g. 95% of what we've always assumed was a good map of the depths isn't really good, it is an approximation generated by satellite sea level data and gravity measurements (and assumptions).
The REAL task at hand is real mapping, as in bathymetric mapping, (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/maps/bathymetry/) using sonar and we are woefully behind in publishing the data we have at hand. Nations have largely mapped their economic zones but often consider the results secret and do not share the data. Efforts to get that data published often are caught up in national interest in establishing economic zones outside of normally recognized boundaries, like the zone around Guam and America's interest in claiming that or China's building of islands in the South China Sea to claim the seas around that.
Tretheway follows the vagaries of the Seabed 2030 initiative and tags along with the crews of a number of mapping ships and archeological dives. Her writing is clear and flows well. I wish the book I borrowed from the library used a less transparent paper, that was annoying.
She pulls few punches when she gets to the International Seabed Authority (ISA) and delivers a bleak view of the extractive side of mapping. She, rightly I believe, is highly skeptical of the intents of the ISA and the mining industry. She also thinks that the mining companies are ignoring the mounting concerns of scientists, environmentalists, and nations in their pursuit of profits. The risks are enormous and could impact what is left of our carbon cycle if not handled correctly (or abandoned). A series of nations have called for a moratorium on seabed mining, surprisingly, Canada just joined that list.
This is worth the time to track down and read.
 

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Just finished this book and Tretheway, like Elizabeth Rush, is a very good nature writer. I had some experience working on mapping vessels back in my youth and it was very interesting to "go back out" albeit in my arm chair with much newer vessels and equipment. She builds up the background of ocean mapping, how little we really know, e.g. 95% of what we've always assumed was a good map of the depths isn't really good, it is an approximation generated by satellite sea level data and gravity measurements (and assumptions).
The REAL task at hand is real mapping, as in bathymetric mapping, (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/maps/bathymetry/) using sonar and we are woefully behind in publishing the data we have at hand. Nations have largely mapped their economic zones but often consider the results secret and do not share the data. Efforts to get that data published often are caught up in national interest in establishing economic zones outside of normally recognized boundaries, like the zone around Guam and America's interest in claiming that or China's building of islands in the South China Sea to claim the seas around that.
Tretheway follows the vagaries of the Seabed 2030 initiative and tags along with the crews of a number of mapping ships and archeological dives. Her writing is clear and flows well. I wish the book I borrowed from the library used a less transparent paper, that was annoying.
She pulls few punches when she gets to the International Seabed Authority (ISA) and delivers a bleak view of the extractive side of mapping. She, rightly I believe, is highly skeptical of the intents of the ISA and the mining industry. She also thinks that the mining companies are ignoring the mounting concerns of scientists, environmentalists, and nations in their pursuit of profits. The risks are enormous and could impact what is left of our carbon cycle if not handled correctly (or abandoned). A series of nations have called for a moratorium on seabed mining, surprisingly, Canada just joined that list.
This is worth the time to track down and read.

Now THAT is an interesting find.
I read the prologue on the sample (Amazon listing). It is indeed written very well, and kept me engaged enough that I was irritated when the sample ended.
Added it to the list.


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Finished my speedy race cars book, and back into fiction. The Tangled Lands, by Paolo Bacigalupi and Tobias Buckell. I love Baciagalupi's work, and I've listened to Levar Burton read several of Buckell's short stories. I'm hoping two good things go great together. What is pretty interesting to me and a big part of the draw (besides the authors) is that it is a standalone story. This isn't book whatever of however many. 300 pages of standalone original fiction. Yes, please!
 

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I finished The Tangled Lands. Some thoughts:

Bacigalupi and Buckell have built an incredibly interesting world and have written it beautifully.
They have populated it with desperate characters making naive decisions in desperate and terrible times when surrounded by constant danger, hardship, and ruin.
It was, as expected, pretty god damn depressing.
It was, as expected, a very good read.

On to something else, which I'll pick out in the morning.
 

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That something else is book 2 of Simon R. Green’s Nightside take on James Bond: Daemons Are Forever.
Mostly I wanted something a bit brain-dead-ish and silly before diving into something meatier (Iris Chang’s The Rape of Nanking). This has been on my shelf for years, since I read the first one. Long enough for the pages to start to yellow. Will have to see when I finish it if book 3 will be purchased or not.
 
Quick heads-up that Steven Erikson’s Malazan Book of the Fallen series is up for grabs at Humble: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/steven-eriksons-malazan-book-fallen-tor-publishing-group-books

I haven't read it yet, but I keep hearing good things about it, so I've scooped it up to try.

I’m intrigued but intimidated. I tried Gardens of the Moon once and had major trouble getting into it. The book took in media res to the absolute extreme, skipping entirely over the “and here’s how we got here” point or any sort of exposition to explain things, like I’d picked up a totally unfamiliar series and started reading the fifth book at the two-thirds point.

That said, I admittedly was super sick and having major trouble with concentrating on anything for more than 5 minutes or so at a time (having major health issues requiring a major medical procedure that caused several major complications), so not exactly the right time to be starting a series as heavy as that one. I’ve also had plenty of people say it’s not much easier to start even in a better place. And I have heard that if you can clear that opening hurdle the payoff is well worth it. So I remain intrigued but intimidated.
 

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Quick heads-up that Steven Erikson’s Malazan Book of the Fallen series is up for grabs at Humble: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/steven-eriksons-malazan-book-fallen-tor-publishing-group-books

I haven't read it yet, but I keep hearing good things about it, so I've scooped it up to try.
It held up well enough for me to finish it, and the ending was satisfying - which it had better be after that many books! But after that, I was definitely done. I haven't read anything else by him or Esselmont, it's all just too much.

I did also think he was more verbose than necessary. He claims in one of the forwards that every little piece serves multiple purposes (and presumably couldn't be cut) but I really don't buy it.

It's a very unique series, so I hope you enjoy it!
 

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I’m intrigued but intimidated. I tried Gardens of the Moon once and had major trouble getting into it. The book took in media res to the absolute extreme, skipping entirely over the “and here’s how we got here” point or any sort of exposition to explain things, like I’d picked up a totally unfamiliar series and started reading the fifth book at the two-thirds point.

That said, I admittedly was super sick and having major trouble with concentrating on anything for more than 5 minutes or so at a time (having major health issues requiring a major medical procedure that caused several major complications), so not exactly the right time to be starting a series as heavy as that one. I’ve also had plenty of people say it’s not much easier to start even in a better place. And I have heard that if you can clear that opening hurdle the payoff is well worth it. So I remain intrigued but intimidated.

GOTM is incredibly confusing, and honestly the entire series is like ... 3 separate tales/series with connective characters and a big overarching problem requiring resolution (technically the first 5 books are almost stand-alone). It really does feel like a PnP campaign in some ways, with the DM slowly peeling back the onion on a super deep world and series of mysteries. I think it's almost worth reading book 2 and then going back to GOTM? I vaguely remember Deadhouse Gates reading a little easier.

Alternatively, you could read some of the prequel stuff written by Ian Esselemont - starting with Dancer's Lament. His stuff is less opaque/florid compared to Erikson's, and does some better scene setting I think.

I just finished book 2 of the Kharkanas trilogy. I had thought that book 3 was already completed but after looking into it I am worried I might get Doors of Stoned again.

I honestly don't remember anything of those 2 books. Didn't really care at all about the characters or the world, "fall of elves" is meh. On the other hand, the post-book of the Fallen series he's kicked off is so good.
 

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Before I get going on The Archive Undying, I'm reading Rose/House, a sci fi mystery novella by Arkady Martine of A Memory Called Empire fame. I adored that and it's sequel, so I was excited to try something else by her. It's extremely evocative so far, I'm very interested to see where it goes.

The premise is that a famous architect designs AI houses, and dies in his masterwork, leaving exclusive limited access to the house to a former protege. Some time later, the house calls the police to report a dead human on the premises - but the protege is nowhere near the place.
 
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We visited the Petrified Forest near Calistoga CA last week. In the walk through the forest was a plaque explaining the link between "Petrified Charley," the founder and owner of the site in 1880, and Robert Lewis Stevenson who visited. At the gift shop was a slim volume "The Silverado Squatters" by RLS which my wife purchased. I was between books and this was perfect, a slim, well written historical piece completely out of the blue. I don't recall if I ever read Dr. Jeckel or Treasure Island in my youth, but I really enjoyed Stevenson's writing. For 1880, it was not too verbose and was frank and open about what he saw as he and his party "squatted" at an old silver mine in Silverado. The jacket explains that he was recommended to the area as a cure for consumption and apparently the time spent roughing it cured him.

Our library lists it on both hard copy collections and on e-books from hoopla.
 

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That something else is book 2 of Simon R. Green’s Nightside take on James Bond: Daemons Are Forever.
Mostly I wanted something a bit brain-dead-ish and silly before diving into something meatier (Iris Chang’s The Rape of Nanking). This has been on my shelf for years, since I read the first one. Long enough for the pages to start to yellow. Will have to see when I finish it if book 3 will be purchased or not.
It's been forever since I read them, but I remember enjoying that series
 

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Just finished Virtual Light by William Gibson. I know, old book, but I bounced off it decades ago (fuck, I'm old) and decided to give it another try when I saw it in the library. Glad I did, I forgot how good Gibson can be. I've only ever read his original Sprawl trilogy. One thing I enjoy about him is the way he sneaks random tidbits of world building into things through random asides with other people. Good book, and I'm looking forward to the other two in the series.