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I happened to come across a fascinating article at Red State proposing that the Jury had in fact made the right decision despite the politicization of the case.

I haven't followed the case rigorously, but once details came out about the actual shooting (it was a ricochet, etc), which were covered a bit up here for obvious reasons, I came to the same conclusion.
Further proof that California is better than New York: California doesn't convict people for accidental ricochets. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/nyre ... oklyn.html

That's quite an extrapolation. You mean didn't, once.
Also, that's not "better". Manslaughter is the right charge for aiming poorly and hitting someone who isn't your target.
 
I happened to come across a fascinating article at Red State proposing that the Jury had in fact made the right decision despite the politicization of the case.

I haven't followed the case rigorously, but once details came out about the actual shooting (it was a ricochet, etc), which were covered a bit up here for obvious reasons, I came to the same conclusion.
Further proof that California is better than New York: California doesn't convict people for accidental ricochets. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/nyre ... oklyn.html

That's quite an extrapolation. You mean didn't, once.
Also, that's not "better". Manslaughter is the right charge for aiming poorly and hitting someone who isn't your target.

He's a thin blue-liner. All you need to do is check in on the Police Brutality thread and you'll see that he'll do anything to defend the police, even when it's obvious they are in the wrong, such as this case.

If the dude had accidentally shot this guy and then immediately went into triage to attempt to save him, I MIGHT give him more of a pass. After all, everyone makes mistakes.

But shooting this dude and then just continuing on your way? Fucking brutal.
 

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I happened to come across a fascinating article at Red State proposing that the Jury had in fact made the right decision despite the politicization of the case.

I haven't followed the case rigorously, but once details came out about the actual shooting (it was a ricochet, etc), which were covered a bit up here for obvious reasons, I came to the same conclusion.
Further proof that California is better than New York: California doesn't convict people for accidental ricochets. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/nyre ... oklyn.html

That's quite an extrapolation. You mean didn't, once.
Also, that's not "better". Manslaughter is the right charge for aiming poorly and hitting someone who isn't your target.

Unless the shooters are cops and they shoot 9 innocent bystanders, then it's a paid vacation and "they did nothing wrong". ;)
 
I happened to come across a fascinating article at Red State proposing that the Jury had in fact made the right decision despite the politicization of the case.

I haven't followed the case rigorously, but once details came out about the actual shooting (it was a ricochet, etc), which were covered a bit up here for obvious reasons, I came to the same conclusion.
Further proof that California is better than New York: California doesn't convict people for accidental ricochets. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/nyre ... oklyn.html
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Seriously, it's odd that nitrogen in air has negative effects given our tens of millions of years evolving to cope well with the atmosphere pretty-much-as-it-is-now. I wonder if this is due to N2 itself, or to small amounts of NOx? Or even contamination of the experimenters' N2 source with small amounts of ammonia?)
Nitrogen narcosis is not very well understood. The prevailing wisdom is that, at high partial pressures of N2 (and many other gasses, but notably not helium) the structure of the lipid bilayers in cells is subtly altered such that the transmission of action potentials by neurons is impaired. Another factor may be that the natural production of nitric oxide by our neurons (by nitric oxide synthase) is increased by the increased [N2]. At any rate, it's the increased partial pressure of nitrogen that causes this.

At pressure, your blood absorbs nitrogen from normal air mix. Release it too fast, and it bubbles like a soda being opened too fast. This causes immense pain and or death if not treated immediately.
This is correct, but unrelated to the narcotic effect of nitrogen. Nitrogen solubility obviously changes with pressure, so more nitrogen goes into solution at high pressures (e.g. when scuba diving), and if that pressure is suddenly reduced (e.g. due to a rapid ascent), it will come out of solution forming bubbles, causing decompression sickness (a.k.a. "the bends").

But the final sentence of the abstract suggests the effect persists even in ambient air (~80% N2 and ~20% at 1 atmosphere total). What's the mechanism for that? Still some amount of N2 absorption by the blood reducing O2 absorption?
Nitrogen does not affect the ability of hemoglobin to bind oxygen (that I know of). The narcotic effect is due to changes in lipid chemistry and/or production of NO by NOS.

I think what it means is that oxygen is more readily taken into the body from heliox than from air and you could adjust the oxygen mixture down a bit then it would be the same. Or add a little oxygen to air and see the same thing.
We don't absorb oxygen from heliox any differently than we do from nitrox, or trimix or other gas mixtures. Divers who will be operating at extreme depths use heliox for two reasons: firstly, to replace the nitrogen with helium, and thereby avoid the narcotic effects of breathing high partial pressures of nitrogen, and secondly to reduce the total concentration of oxygen, because breathing high partial pressures of oxygen causes oxygen toxicity. (The 80% nitrogen ~20% oxygen 'normox' we're breathing right now is effectively 400% nitrogen and 100% oxygen at 50m (the limit for recreational diving), and the partial pressure of oxygen reaches toxic levels at about 70m. So technical/commercial divers working at depth breath a mixture with a much lower percentage of oxygen, so that the partial pressure of O2 at depth is not toxic). They still have to deal with the helium dissolved in their blood/tissues after a dive, and therefore go through lengthy decompression protocols.

It's a little funny to me because we don't see a big cognitive difference between people who live where I live (Colorado) and people who live at sea level where the air is 20% higher.
Altitude acclimation depends largely on the production of 2,3,bisphosphoglycerate, which, counter-intuitively reduces hemoglobins affinity for oxygen; this makes it a more efficient oxygen transporter by increasing the proportion of oxygen it delivers to our tissues under conditions of low partial pressure of O2. It usually takes about a week of living at lower ppO2 to build up enough 2,3,BPG to adjust. This is why lots of athletes will train at altitude, because the 2,3,BPG they build up will last a couple of weeks once they return to normal altitude. (Others just cheat and inject themselves with 2,3,BPG).
 

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I can't believe anybody is defending the cop who fired that shot, even by his own testimony he fired blindly into a stairwell of a populated building because he heard a noise. WTF?

Seems pretty clear this guy should have been convicted, it's just strange in light of all the acquittals of other cops. It's like juries in other cases are saying "Well, if you thought the guy needed killing, that's good enough for me!" and this guy didn't benefit from that presumption precisely because the killing wasn't deliberate. Cop-friendly juries have somehow managed to create a standard according to which intentional killing is more excusable than negligent killing.
 

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I can't believe anybody is defending the cop who fired that shot, even by his own testimony he fired blindly into a stairwell of a populated building because he heard a noise. WTF?

Seems pretty clear this guy should have been convicted, it's just strange in light of all the acquittals of other cops. It's like juries in other cases are saying "Well, if you thought the guy needed killing, that's good enough for me!" and this guy didn't benefit from that presumption precisely because the killing wasn't deliberate. Cop-friendly juries have somehow managed to create a standard according to which intentional killing is more excusable than negligent killing.

Though he tried, he was unable to successfully pull off the "I felt my life was in danger" canard that has worked so well in the past to justify murder. I guess being spooked by noises and shooting blindly in stairwells is actually a bridge too far for juries.
 

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We don't absorb oxygen from heliox any differently than we do from nitrox, or trimix or other gas mixtures. Divers who will be operating at extreme depths use heliox for two reasons: firstly, to replace the nitrogen with helium, and thereby avoid the narcotic effects of breathing high partial pressures of nitrogen, and secondly to reduce the total concentration of oxygen, because breathing high partial pressures of oxygen causes oxygen toxicity. (The 80% nitrogen ~20% oxygen 'normox' we're breathing right now is effectively 400% nitrogen and 100% oxygen at 50m (the limit for recreational diving), and the partial pressure of oxygen reaches toxic levels at about 70m. So technical/commercial divers working at depth breath a mixture with a much lower percentage of oxygen, so that the partial pressure of O2 at depth is not toxic). They still have to deal with the helium dissolved in their blood/tissues after a dive, and therefore go through lengthy decompression protocols.

Thanks, TheGnome, for all the helpful information on this.

One follow-up question: why do divers use a helium-O2 mixture rather than, say, an argon-O2 mixture? I would've thought both that He would tend to separate out in a mixture with O2 leaving (under some conditions) a highly uneven mix (while Argon would do so far less), and also that Ar might dissolve less into the blood (or not?)? And not only that, the Ar-O2 mix wouldn't make you talk funny ;).
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/politics/trump-abbas-us-embassy-jerusalem/index.html

US to move embassy to Jerusalem. I was just thinking what our current bleak situation needs is to enflame Mid East tensions.
Worked for Bush.

Trump is a big part of our situation. If it somehow fixes any of his issues it just means that we are even more fucked. Just like Bush actually.
 
One follow-up question: why do divers use a helium-O2 mixture rather than, say, an argon-O2 mixture? I would've thought both that He would tend to separate out in a mixture with O2 leaving (under some conditions) a highly uneven mix (while Argon would do so far less), and also that Ar might dissolve less into the blood (or not?)? And not only that, the Ar-O2 mix wouldn't make you talk funny ;).

My diver coworker says you wouldn't get a funny voice from the argon, but it's expensive and more narcotic than nitrogen.
 

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Russia – you know, those honest, forthright guys that Trump loves – has been banned from the 2018 Winter Olympics for state-sponsored systematic doping. I wonder how long until Putin orders Trump to have the U.S. withdraw in support?

Now the sports world will wait to see how Russia responds. Some Russian officials have threatened to boycott if the I.O.C. delivered such a severe punishment.

Which seems kind of like their "You can't fire me, because I quit!" moment.
 

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One follow-up question: why do divers use a helium-O2 mixture rather than, say, an argon-O2 mixture? I would've thought both that He would tend to separate out in a mixture with O2 leaving (under some conditions) a highly uneven mix (while Argon would do so far less), and also that Ar might dissolve less into the blood (or not?)? And not only that, the Ar-O2 mix wouldn't make you talk funny ;).
As carlisimo mentioned, argon has similar narcotic effects at high partial pressures. This is one of the bits of data that argues against the NO hypothesis; you can get 'narced' on gasses other than nitrogen. As for the gas separation, I don't think that's a in tanks; you'd have to leave them sitting for decades at very low temperatures for density effects to cause the gasses to separate, and they'd mix almost immediately as soon as you moved them.
 
Russia – you know, those honest, forthright guys that Trump loves – has been banned from the 2018 Winter Olympics for state-sponsored systematic doping. I wonder how long until Putin orders Trump to have the U.S. withdraw in support?

Now the sports world will wait to see how Russia responds. Some Russian officials have threatened to boycott if the I.O.C. delivered such a severe punishment.

Which seems kind of like their "You can't fire me, because I quit!" moment.


Oh great, no crooked Russia judges to screw the Canadian figure skaters. :eng101:
 

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One follow-up question: why do divers use a helium-O2 mixture rather than, say, an argon-O2 mixture? I would've thought both that He would tend to separate out in a mixture with O2 leaving (under some conditions) a highly uneven mix (while Argon would do so far less), and also that Ar might dissolve less into the blood (or not?)? And not only that, the Ar-O2 mix wouldn't make you talk funny ;).
As carlisimo mentioned, argon has similar narcotic effects at high partial pressures. This is one of the bits of data that argues against the NO hypothesis; you can get 'narced' on gasses other than nitrogen...

Huh. That narcotic effect is intriguing. Not a chemical effect apparently (while Ar isn't quite as noble as He, it's still quite difficult for it to participate in anything chemical), but a physics effect that kicks in with Ar but not He (makes me wonder about Ne). Thanks again.
 
Russia – you know, those honest, forthright guys that Trump loves – has been banned from the 2018 Winter Olympics for state-sponsored systematic doping. I wonder how long until Putin orders Trump to have the U.S. withdraw in support?

Now the sports world will wait to see how Russia responds. Some Russian officials have threatened to boycott if the I.O.C. delivered such a severe punishment.

Which seems kind of like their "You can't fire me, because I quit!" moment.


Oh great, no crooked Russia judges to screw the Canadian figure skaters. :eng101:
On the bright side, one less team for US to compete with for Hockey plus with the NHL not in Canada doesn't have the insta-win line of Kunitz-Crosby-Bergeron. As a Pens fan though, it's the one time though that I can root against Crosby.

I wonder how Russia being out will actually affect the games seeing as they are one of the top teams in the Winter Olympics. Athletes can still compete as Neutrals though
 

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Russia – you know, those honest, forthright guys that Trump loves – has been banned from the 2018 Winter Olympics for state-sponsored systematic doping. I wonder how long until Putin orders Trump to have the U.S. withdraw in support?

Now the sports world will wait to see how Russia responds. Some Russian officials have threatened to boycott if the I.O.C. delivered such a severe punishment.

Which seems kind of like their "You can't fire me, because I quit!" moment.


Oh great, no crooked Russia judges to screw the Canadian figure skaters. :eng101:
On the bright side, one less team for US to compete with for Hockey plus with the NHL not in Canada doesn't have the insta-win line of Kunitz-Crosby-Bergeron. As a Pens fan though, it's the one time though that I can root against Crosby.

I wonder how Russia being out will actually affect the games seeing as they are one of the top teams in the Winter Olympics. Athletes can still compete as Neutrals though

I actually don't think Russia being out will be a huge impact, at least in terms of what the medal count looks like. They're a very competitive team for sure, but they haven't been dominating medal counts over everyone else recently. They're more or less top 5, but I don't think they've topped the medal table at the Winter Olympics in a while.

As an aside, the insta-win line is Marchand-Crosby-Bergeron if we're going by the World Cup.
 

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I actually don't think Russia being out will be a huge impact, at least in terms of what the medal count looks like
Have to agree. Going back several Winter Games, Russia has been 4th, 11th, 4th, 5th, and 3rd. The top 5 or 6 teams are generally pretty close. It will just shuffle a few more medals among those teams for the most part. Maybe a couple of smaller countries benefit picking up a medal where they wouldn't have made the podium with Russia in the mix.
 

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On the bright side, one less team for US to compete with for Hockey plus with the NHL not in Canada doesn't have the insta-win line of Kunitz-Crosby-Bergeron. As a Pens fan though, it's the one time though that I can root against Crosby.
I swear to God if Radulov quits on Dallas like he did on Nashville to go play in Russia again, I'm kicking teeth in.

Not Radulov's he's bigger than me, plus his teeth are already missing. Somebody at the IOC maybe.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/politics/trump-abbas-us-embassy-jerusalem/index.html

US to move embassy to Jerusalem. I was just thinking what our current bleak situation needs is to enflame Mid East tensions.

Welcome to Trump's final distraction gambit. He has been unable thus far to provoke a nuclear first strike attempt by North Korea for him to respond to, so he's going to try to provoke a Middle East war big enough that the USA will have to save it's close ally, Israel. He'll even go so far as to call it a modern crusade, probably in multiple tweets. Then he'll nuke Muslims, probably from Tunis to Islamabad, and then grant Exxon-Mobil the drilling rights. Or Gazprom and Rosneft.
 
In theory, Jerusalem could be Israel's capital without denying part of the city to Palestine, right? Not that theory matters.

Since both sides would claim Jerusalem as their capital, it is a very tricky part of the spasmodic peace process we claim to be committed to working towards. If the 2-state solution is still the official policy that all stake-holders are supposed to care about, arbitrarily and unilaterally declaring a winner on Twitter from the Oval Office is a step that none of our allies want to see the US take.

Violence always fills the vacuum when this settlement process stalls. Palestinians have no reason to continue to work at a diplomatic solution when Israel is intent on creating a de-facto bantustan on the ground and their primary ally grants a highly controversial concession on a stump-speech whim.

It's almost as if US evangelicals believe in an inevitable and literal Armageddon as much as Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi.
 

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It's almost as if US evangelicals believe in an inevitable and literal Armageddon as much as Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi.

What's this 'almost' shit? They absolutely do. End times theology is a huge part of the evangelical movement.

Wasn’t it Reagan’s EPA pick that thought the environment didn’t matter because the rapture was coming?
 

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It's almost as if US evangelicals believe in an inevitable and literal Armageddon as much as Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi.
A scary number of them do. Not just an inevitability, but something to strive towards so Jesus can get here before they croak.

Re: "striving towards" just remember: a self fulfilling prophecy still counts as a prophecy fulfilled. :eng101:
 

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It's almost as if US evangelicals believe in an inevitable and literal Armageddon as much as Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi.

What's this 'almost' shit? They absolutely do. End times theology is a huge part of the evangelical movement.

Wasn’t it Reagan’s EPA pick that thought the environment didn’t matter because the rapture was coming?

Back when I actually engaged my relatives in political discussion, this was their fall-back position. If they painted themselves into a logical corner--and keep them talking long enough and this was inevitable--then "it doesn't matter, because Jesus is coming for us anyway" or whatever nonsense revelations is about....
 
It's almost as if US evangelicals believe in an inevitable and literal Armageddon as much as Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi.

What's this 'almost' shit? They absolutely do. End times theology is a huge part of the evangelical movement.

I was being facetious. This is a principle reason I take a dim view of "deeply religious" people in politics. They strike me as inherently dangerous (yes, there is that other thread).

The irony is that they don't seem to recognize their binary across the imagined battlefield. What happens if Gog & Magog show up to fight, but we don't bother? I suppose their armies might have to build shelters while they wait and then they would have to work out some way to manage food and accommodation for everyone. Maybe schools for the kids? Some public health facilities would probably help. Better hurry up and fight that war to end all wars before the women start asking for equality or something.

"Do you believe in a literal and inevitable Armageddon?" is a question I wanted asked at every debate for every elected office in the country. I want the doomsday cultists to stop pretending they are anything but doomsday cultists--particularly when they tell me I'm supposed to surrender everything I love about this country to fight doomsday cultists in some cave somewhere in central asia.

Americans should take a long hard look at the people they think are protecting them from doomsday.
 
It's almost as if US evangelicals believe in an inevitable and literal Armageddon as much as Abu Bakr al-Bagdadi.

What's this 'almost' shit? They absolutely do. End times theology is a huge part of the evangelical movement.

I was being facetious. This is a principle reason I take a dim view of "deeply religious" people in politics. They strike me as inherently dangerous (yes, there is that other thread).

The irony is that they don't seem to recognize their binary across the imagined battlefield. What happens if Gog & Magog show up to fight, but we don't bother? I suppose their armies might have to build shelters while they wait and then they would have to work out some way to manage food and accommodation for everyone. Maybe schools for the kids? Some public health facilities would probably help. Better hurry up and fight that war to end all wars before the women start asking for equality or something.

"Do you believe in a literal and inevitable Armageddon?" is a question I wanted asked at every debate for every elected office in the country. I want the doomsday cultists to stop pretending they are anything but doomsday cultists--particularly when they tell me I'm supposed to surrender everything I love about this country to fight doomsday cultists in some cave somewhere in central asia.

Americans should take a long hard look at the people they think are protecting them from doomsday.

Your question is too vague. You'd need to ask "Do you believe in a literal, inevitable, and imminent, as in ten years or less, Armageddon?"

If you don't pin them down so tightly that it's obvious they're weaseling out, no one gets that they're bullshitting.
 

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I happened to come across a fascinating article at Red State proposing that the Jury had in fact made the right decision despite the politicization of the case.

I haven't followed the case rigorously, but once details came out about the actual shooting (it was a ricochet, etc), which were covered a bit up here for obvious reasons, I came to the same conclusion.
Further proof that California is better than New York: California doesn't convict people for accidental ricochets. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/nyre ... oklyn.html

Assuming you are referring to the Steinle case, the prosecution went for 1st degree murder, not manslaughter, as they probably ought to have. Much higher chance they would have won that one.
That's the charge that they focused, and although manslaughter was on the table their effort got in the way of that charge. Seen before on high profile cases.
This seems to be a classic example of prosecutorial overreach.They pushed hard for a first degree murder verdict, which requires not only proving that the defendant killed the victim, but that he did it intentionally, and that it was premeditated (planned or thought out beforehand).

Focusing their strategy on the lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter would have allowed the prosecutors to simply argue that Garcia Zarate acted in a criminally negligent way that resulted in Steinle’s death: he knew the object was a gun, he knew guns are dangerous, he should have known not to point it in the direction of people, etc.

Add to all of this that four-hour meandering police interrogation that allowed defense counsel to present their client as confused and intimidated by the police. Just one more little piece of the puzzle making it easier for defense counsel to portray their client as a naive fool who picked up a gun and caused a terrible accident rather than a vicious killer who stalked his victim.

Those who followed the Casey Anthony case in Florida will find this familiar. There, prosecutors also pushed hard for a first degree murder verdict, requiring them to convince the jury that Anthony killed her daughter Caylee intentionally and with premeditation, knowing the death penalty was on the table. This was extremely difficult, especially with no witnesses to Caylee’s death and the state of the forensic evidence when her body was found. If instead the prosecutors had focused on arguing that there was no justifiable reason for duct tape to be applied over the toddler’s face, or for her to be in the trunk of her mother’s car (plus Anthony’s period of lies about Caylee’s whereabouts), establishing manslaughter or at least the aggravated child abuse charge may have been easier.