The ecosystem of former Republican pundits

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While I watch their content for amusement (nothing they say is particularly insightful), I always find it hilarious that we have this incestuous ecosystem of former Republican strategists and "thinkers" who created a second career as anti-Trump pundits.

These are guys who paved the way for Trump and his cohort, suddenly deciding they need to stand up for values. Guys like Rick Wilson, Steve Schmidt, Bill Kristol (who brought you Tucker Carlson!), George Will, Anthony Scarramucci, Michael Steele and even milquetoast center right talkers like Chris Cillizza. All of whom either created the strategies for the Republican party or were in some position of power in the party.

Don't get me wrong - I am glad they saw the light and are trying to fight Trump in some way, but I honestly wonder how they reconcile in their heads how much of a role they played in bringing Trump to power.
 
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Don't get me wrong - I am glad they saw the light and are trying to fight Trump in some way, but I honestly wonder how they reconcile in their heads how much of a role they played in bringing Trump to power.
As I tell my wife, they sleep comfortably at night cushioned by large sacks of money.
 
Money. It's all money.

I don't think there are many true believers at the top o' the heap in the US. It's all just who's paying who to say/do whatever and folks trying to make money while the making is good.
I suspect that it starts that way, but it would take a really strong personality to immerse in it for a long time without beginning to believe.
 

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Besides Steele, they're all comfortable white guys whose day-to-day has been in no way discomfited by either Trump Administration. In fact, Trump's tax cuts alone likely helped each and every one of them.

To be honest, I don't think any of them "reconcile in their heads how much of a role they played in bringing Trump to power". I would imagine in their minds, based on their public utterances, that they feel undeserving elements of the U.S. political class took away the power & influence they had rightly earned, and it is for this reason (and money) that they are now anti-Trump.

I wrote a lot more on the history of this back in August, 2020:

Even though Ronald Reagan would be unlikely to win the Republican nomination today, his core message "Government is the Problem", is the concept upon which the modern Republican party (and whatever's left of conservatism) rests.

Conservative "thinkers" like George Will and his ilk once provided the intellectual backstop to this philosophy by arguing that everyone's ills could be solved by getting the government out of people's lives, e.g. the much-derided, much-repudiated concept of trickle down economics, but there are many, many more examples. This sold really well to just-hitting-middle-age Baby Boomers (mainly White) in the 80s and 90s who reaped the benefits of more money in their pocket while ignoring the fact that this was accomplished by mortgaging literally everyone else's future (not just the economics behind the social safety net, nor the effective running of government, but things like climate change).

It had, and still has had, enormous electoral success because the concept is just so simple, and enters everyone's head the moment they get their first check and ask "Who is FICA and why is he taking all my money?" Instead of campaigning on initiatives that are difficult to explain, like why parts of the government need to grow or change, you just have to tell people you're going to make their lives a little easier by taking away government interference and oh by the way you'll also have more money because we're cutting taxes.

When this is your platform, of course, you don't need deep thinkers to sell it during campaign season. Reagan, a former actor, was of course the paragon of this, scion/failson George W. Bush its maturation, and of course Trump its apotheosis or nadir, depending on your viewpoint.

Of course, back in the day, the George Wills (and, later, Andrew Sullivans) argued that the dismantling of government could, and should, be done in an above-board kind of way. No corruption here. Privatization was good because of a deeply-held belief (ironically held by said "thinkers" without reflection) that the market would provide, and provide efficiently.

Anyone who's worked in private industry (which includes very few of said "thinkers") will, of course, tell you a different story. In fact, as Gordon Gekko (surely now a Republican hero) would hold, a little corruption and graft is not a bad thing if it's in the service of revenue and profit.

Ironically, it was the Norquists and Gingrichs who won the argument, over the Wills and Sullivans. Why bother with putting thought and hard work into determining how to dismantle the government, when you could just starve it of funds, yes, but also attention and competence, and let it fail on its own?

In the end, then, the twin influences of a) having an easy sales pitch and b) not needing to do the hard work of governing created a modern GOP that is populated predominantly by hucksters, failsons, and the kind of used car salesmen your parents warned you about. Sullivan can whine all he wants about "epistemic closure", and Will and his ilk can clutch their pearls, but the very theories of governance for which they provided intellectual cover resulted directly in the modern GOP having no further use for thought or intellectualism, in fact it turned out that hostility towards any thinking whatsoever was more important by far. The "intellectuals" have been thrown out, along with any semblance of good governance, and they/it are not coming back. You'll get Ben Shapiro and you'll like it, essentially.


TL;DR: The modern GOP exists solely to destroy the government and make a buck along the way, and it has convinced its constituents that this will make their lives better (narrator: it won't). There is very little about Republican policy/actions that is not adequately explained by this. And since it's the product of 40+ years of development, it's not going to change anytime soon. Dwight D. Eisenhower isn't coming back to save us.
 

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While I watch their content for amusement (nothing they say is particularly insightful), I always find it hilarious that we have this incestuous ecosystem of former Republican strategists and "thinkers" who created a second career as anti-Trump pundits.

These are guys who paved the way for Trump and his cohort, suddenly deciding they need to stand up for values. Guys like Rick Wilson, Steve Schmidt, Bill Kristol (who brought you Tucker Carlson!), George Will, Anthony Scarramucci, Michael Steele and even milquetoast center right talkers like Chris Cillizza. All of whom either created the strategies for the Republican party or were in some position of power in the party.

Don't get me wrong - I am glad they saw the light and are trying to fight Trump in some way, but I honestly wonder how they reconcile in their heads how much of a role they played in bringing Trump to power.

Others mention money and privilege, but there's another strong motivator—attention. Even if some of those mentioned in your list are financially independent, they probably will be out speaking as long as they have platform from which to do so.
 

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Rick Wilson engineered attack ads for Saxby Chambliss in the 2002 Georgia Senate election that attacked sitting Democratic Senator, and disabled Vietnam War veteran Max Cleland (he lost three limbs in the war) as unpatriotic.

Motherfucker was Trump before Trump.

Steve Schmidt learned campaigning at the feet of Karl Rove, helping to establish the scorched-earth, no-thinking-required standard of modern campaigning. He stabilized McCain's campaign after it floundered in the run-up to primaries, and to his credit was very anti-Palin. Once upon a time he probably viewed his future as McCain's Rove and grew bitter that MAGA took that all away from him.

George Will is a long-time hack I wrote more about above.

Kristol is one of those "I'm smarter than you" guys who isn't, and does a worse job of hiding it than someone like Will. He is a longtime neocon and a proto-fascist in support of that who, like many others, is pissed that morons like Trump took over the country from simple bumpkins like W. Bush, which is the kind of POTUS fascist neocons like because they can be convinced to approve foreign misadventures done in pursuit of profits for their cronies' private enterprises.

Scaramucci's honestly the least offensive since he's so obviously in it to make a buck, and transparently pissed that he didn't enrich himself more during the first Trump Administration.

Michael Steele thought he'd be the GOP's answer to Obama, and maybe in a Mitt Romney GOP he would have been, but he's yet another guy who thought he could ride first the Tea Party and MAGA to power, being smarter than all those twits and now leopards ate his face. So sad.

If they want to criticize Trump, great, but let's never forget that fundamentally they're all just useful idiots, no matter how many bow ties George Will wears.
 

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I think there's way too much American exceptionalism in the idea that these guys played a meaningful role in bringing Trump to power. I just don't buy it. We're seeing backlash to immigration and trade in many different countries. Did Italy elect a fascist-adjacent prime minister because George Will wrote some bad newspaper columns? Of course not, that's absurd.
 

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They didn't create right-wing populism, but they were part of a political class that enabled its takeover of American politics (and then it got away from them). There are likely similar enablers in all of those countries. Are they the only reason? Of course not.
 

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I think there's way too much American exceptionalism in the idea that these guys played a meaningful role in bringing Trump to power. I just don't buy it. We're seeing backlash to immigration and trade in many different countries. Did Italy elect a fascist-adjacent prime minister because George Will wrote some bad newspaper columns? Of course not, that's absurd.

No, it's not absurd. Each and every one of those people played a part in paving the road that led to Trump. What they all lack was the intelligence to figure out that Trump was an inevitable destination. George Will absolutely lost his shit over Obama being president and wrote extensively about how Obama was a socialist who would destroy America. Will knows damn well that Obama was no socialist, but he wrote it anyways because he enjoyed smearing Obama. Setting that kind of tone over years inevitably helps get to Trump.
 

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When they actively work to reverse the policies and results that they have built these past years, only then will I take them seriously.

And the timeframe required is NOW and real effort is required. None of the usual deathbed recanting bull or "Jesus forgave me. Why can't Liberals?" memoir writing for the lecture circuit.
 

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I think GohanIYlan is asserting that the rise of populism is a global phenomenon and we are giving these folks too much credit for the rise of Trump. To which I would (and did) respond that I think GohanlYlan is misunderstanding the nature of the credit we are giving them.
 

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I think GohanIYlan is asserting that the rise of populism is a global phenomenon and we are giving these folks too much credit for the rise of Trump. To which I would (and did) respond that I think GohanlYlan is misunderstanding the nature of the credit we are giving them.
I'd also like some kind of citation that shows a direct link between the "global" rise of populism and the local, American populism movement(s). Which, face it, is most likely to be reduced to ties with international "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and Holocaust denial cranks as opposed to local populism ( and those taking advantage cough astro-turf / bot-farm cough of it ) bring the US to the point that Trump could be celebrated for saying the quiet parts out loud.
 
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Coriolanus

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I think there's way too much American exceptionalism in the idea that these guys played a meaningful role in bringing Trump to power. I just don't buy it. We're seeing backlash to immigration and trade in many different countries. Did Italy elect a fascist-adjacent prime minister because George Will wrote some bad newspaper columns? Of course not, that's absurd.
American conservative thought is the source for a lot of right wing and nationalist parties/candidates around the world.

For example, Arthur Finkelstein, one of Reagan's campaign strategists, also engineered the campaigns of Viktor Orban and Benjamin Netanyahu.
 

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I think GohanIYlan is asserting that the rise of populism is a global phenomenon and we are giving these folks too much credit for the rise of Trump. To which I would (and did) respond that I think GohanlYlan is misunderstanding the nature of the credit we are giving them.
I wouldn't say global since I don't know that we're seeing it in South Africa or Japan or South Korea. But widespread and not unique to the US, yes.

I just find the strong causal claims unpersuasive when some much is clearly contingent . If the Access Hollywood tape came out in October 2015 instead of October 2016, Trump's campaign probably implodes and he's never president but the populist rise likely still happens. Heck, if Bear Stearns managed to hang on a bit longer and collapsed in March of 2009 instead of 2008 this entire era of politics probably plays out differently.
 

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I would also like to add the Megan McArdles of the world.

She spends more time whining about woke students and an occasional overstep by Democrats since she works for the Washington Post as a true center-right believer who needs to cover for her own complicity in using culture war distractions to stoke division rather than sound a real alarm about Trump. She's currently on a podcast, Central Air, with Josh Barro and Ben Dreyfuss, and the latter was all on board witht attack on Iran, and only recently started to tepidly criticize it.

Ostensibly a libertarian, she has fantasized about protesters getting beaten by police, so I am very skeptical of how anti-Trump she is. She strikes me as more of an Ayn Rand sociopath who is only offended by Trump's boorishness.
 
You can blame every Republican since the Nixon administration for Trump if you like, since that's when the GOP decided that the goal of achieving unrestrained political power was more important than preserving the Founders' liberal democracy (which is orthogonal to American Liberalism, though I'm sure the kneejerk reaction to the "L"-word played no small part in the Right's current antipathy to the concept). The question is, are there any old-school Eisenhower Republicans who remember how to put country before party left?
 
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The question is, are there any old-school Eisenhower Republicans who remember how to put country before party left?
You realize that somebody who was a voting age adult in 1961, when Eisenhower left office, would be 83 now, right? And that's assuming their politics didn't change in 65 years.
 
You realize that somebody who was a voting age adult in 1961, when Eisenhower left office, would be 83 now, right? And that's assuming their politics didn't change in 65 years.

Well, I'm sure there were still Eisenhower Republicans coming of age through the 70s who weren't co-opted by Nixonism, and there could be young conservatives who could have been called Eisenhower Republicans.
 

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Well, I'm sure there were still Eisenhower Republicans coming of age through the 70s who weren't co-opted by Nixonism, and there could be young conservatives who could have been called Eisenhower Republicans.
If the hippies turned into a bunch of conservative Baby Boomers, how much hope do you have that a 1970s conservative managed to stay politically the same for the last 50 years?
 
No, it's not absurd. Each and every one of those people played a part in paving the road that led to Trump. What they all lack was the intelligence to figure out that Trump was an inevitable destination. George Will absolutely lost his shit over Obama being president and wrote extensively about how Obama was a socialist who would destroy America. Will knows damn well that Obama was no socialist, but he wrote it anyways because he enjoyed smearing Obama. Setting that kind of tone over years inevitably helps get to Trump.

To paraphrase Hemingway:

"How did the US get to Trump?"
"Two ways. Gradually and then suddenly."
 
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I wouldn't say global since I don't know that we're seeing it in South Africa or Japan or South Korea. But widespread and not unique to the US, yes.

I just find the strong causal claims unpersuasive when some much is clearly contingent . If the Access Hollywood tape came out in October 2015 instead of October 2016, Trump's campaign probably implodes and he's never president but the populist rise likely still happens. Heck, if Bear Stearns managed to hang on a bit longer and collapsed in March of 2009 instead of 2008 this entire era of politics probably plays out differently.

I think you're kidding yourself if you think Trump was the only possible outcome here. Yes, Trump is uniquely suited to American Fascism, but there are plenty of others who were heading down the exact same road. It just would have taken them longer to get the support of QAnon and Tea Party Republicans. MAGA isn't defined by Trump, Republicans ran out of policy ideas well before him and relied entirely on social wedges. Trump was just uniquely good at exploiting those social wedges and the lunacy of the conspiracy crowd.
 
I think you're kidding yourself if you think Trump was the only possible outcome here. Yes, Trump is uniquely suited to American Fascism, but there are plenty of others who were heading down the exact same road. It just would have taken them longer to get the support of QAnon and Tea Party Republicans. MAGA isn't defined by Trump, Republicans ran out of policy ideas well before him and relied entirely on social wedges. Trump was just uniquely good at exploiting those social wedges and the lunacy of the conspiracy crowd.

I am still surprised that Trump has ended up being their champion. I always assume it will be someone from TV Evangelical/Liberty college background.
 
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I am still surprised that Trump will end up being their champion. I always assume it will be someone from TV Evangelical/Liberty college background.

Trump is the prophet of the American Church of Your Racist Uncle at Thanksgiving™.
 

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I think you're kidding yourself if you think Trump was the only possible outcome here. Yes, Trump is uniquely suited to American Fascism, but there are plenty of others who were heading down the exact same road. It just would have taken them longer to get the support of QAnon and Tea Party Republicans. MAGA isn't defined by Trump, Republicans ran out of policy ideas well before him and relied entirely on social wedges. Trump was just uniquely good at exploiting those social wedges and the lunacy of the conspiracy crowd.
I just don't think anything in politics is inevitable or on a certain path. If Miami-Dade county had more normal ballots, Al Gore would have won the 2000 election and much of political history would have played out differently. It's not like they were destined to use weird ballots because of some racist nonsense Lee Atwater said.
 

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I just don't think anything in politics is inevitable or on a certain path. If Miami-Dade county had more normal ballots, Al Gore would have won the 2000 election and much of political history would have played out differently. It's not like they were destined to use weird ballots because of some racist nonsense Lee Atwater said.

Huh? That's mostly goalpost shifting. Yes, if we had a President Gore, that would mean history played out differently, but that difference by no means excludes Republicans becoming ever more fascist with each passing year. The pundits we're discussing would still be around and would have been very busy painting Gore as a socialist loser. Gingrich had already put his foot on the racist/sexist/homophobic accelerator and Reagan had already made Evangelicals a major component of the Republican party.
 

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No, it's not absurd. Each and every one of those people played a part in paving the road that led to Trump. What they all lack was the intelligence to figure out that Trump was an inevitable destination. George Will absolutely lost his shit over Obama being president and wrote extensively about how Obama was a socialist who would destroy America. Will knows damn well that Obama was no socialist, but he wrote it anyways because he enjoyed smearing Obama. Setting that kind of tone over years inevitably helps get to Trump.

In the case of people like Will much of their stance may be due to them creating a personal ideal narrative or perspective. Which they use as a basis for shaping their reactions to current and ongoing events. They worked hard to create a certain story, and are going to be very upset when reality contradicts it. It's something I've seen in other fields—people get renown for a certain output—and then look to create a "passive income" stream off retelling it. Sort of like Hollywood actors who are typecast—or entire cinematic franchises—who then ride it until they can no longer get bookings. Reinvention and staying current with trends takes work and a fair amount of intellectual capital. They'd rather retire in place and milk it for what it's worth. Their dedicated fanbase is coming for nostalgia—not to learn anything new.

Of course Will would be upset with someone like Obama—he flipped the standard political script coming from virtually nowhere. That meant having to put in the reps to level up, not produce deliverables on autopilot.
 
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If the hippies turned into a bunch of conservative Baby Boomers, how much hope do you have that a 1970s conservative managed to stay politically the same for the last 50 years?
Ah, I witnessed that exact example in my own family. My father (born 1932), raised a Republican when political party is what you were born into - much like religion - voted straight Republican until maybe the '80's.

He flirted with Libertarianism in its early days but as it developed, by the mid '80's, as an obvious rebrand of the Birchers he grew disenchanted quickly. I remember this as I was early double digits and he spoke to me about all this at the time. (Made me memorize the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution as well).

By the '90's he no longer voted Republican, but looked for independent candidates he could support. Then started voting for Democrats here & there. By Obama came around, he voted straight D unless a candidate personally irritated him.

By the time he died, at 90 (3 years ago), his favorite two political figures were Bernie & AOC.

It happens.

In this specific case, my dad had lived through the Depression & the New Deal (he likened Bernie to FDR in tone), the post WWII boom, then the effects of the trickle-down/deregulation frenzy beginning the '80's. And paid attention. He also had the benefit of a better primary education, especially about American history & civics, than anyone in the public school system today. But above all, he paid attention & kept learning. Which most people don't, regardless of age, but is much more noticeable the older people get.
 

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I'd also like some kind of citation that shows a direct link between the "global" rise of populism and the local, American populism movement(s). Which, face it, is most likely to be reduced to ties with international "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and Holocaust denial cranks as opposed to local populism ( and those taking advantage cough astro-turf / bot-farm cough of it ) bring the US to the point that Trump could be celebrated for saying the quiet parts out loud.
I suspect that can be found in in an analysis of places like 4chan... The Internet has brought tons of groups together ona global scale. Though, of course, more local political figures also deserve plenty of blame.

If the hippies turned into a bunch of conservative Baby Boomers, how much hope do you have that a 1970s conservative managed to stay politically the same for the last 50 years?
I'm pretty sure this is mostly a myth. The reality is that the hippies were mostly a minority and likely have similarly liberal views as they ever had. But, ya know, they were always a minority. The reason we tend to think this is true is because older people were born in a more conservative age, and so their average position reflects that.
 

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I suspect that can be found in in an analysis of places like 4chan... The Internet has brought tons of groups together ona global scale. Though, of course, more local political figures also deserve plenty of blame.


I'm pretty sure this is mostly a myth. The reality is that the hippies were mostly a minority and likely have similarly liberal views as they ever had. But, ya know, they were always a minority. The reason we tend to think this is true is because older people were born in a more conservative age, and so their average position reflects that.
True that. I've noticed a lot of old hippies at the No Kings rallies.
 
Whether pundits or politicians, Republicans only ever grow a spine once they're either old and/or irrelevant, or the scum they've supported have achieved the ends (most often enriching them or their cronies) they were hoping for.

E.g. George Will passes himself off as an intellectual, but the modern populace only accepts info in 15 second videos posted online with generic pop music in the background, and Republicans aren't trying to justify their actions anymore but just blatantly taking what they want and daring the other side to do anything about it. He's totally irrelevant to modern politics.
 

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I'd also like some kind of citation that shows a direct link between the "global" rise of populism and the local, American populism movement(s). Which, face it, is most likely to be reduced to ties with international "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and Holocaust denial cranks as opposed to local populism ( and those taking advantage cough astro-turf / bot-farm cough of it ) bring the US to the point that Trump could be celebrated for saying the quiet parts out loud.

You mean like Orban spending state funds to support CPAC? Or...

There is perhaps no greater symbol of that cross-cultural cooperation and admiration than the Conservative Political Action Conference gathering of conservative, populist and far right activists and politicians now converging on Budapest for a fourth consecutive year.
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So Hungary began reaching out to other like-minded political groups including conservatives in the U.S. and inviting them to Budapest around 2014. They liked what they saw – a populist conservative government that was elected and re-elected using the resources of the state to support that goal.

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/29/nx-s1-5399682/hungary-trump-viktor-orban-cpac

I do not think the existence of one proto-fascist is necessarily a requirement for a rise of another. But like will be drawn to like. Mussolini and Hitler came to power in their own individual ways from different circumstances, but most assuredly there was inspiration drawn from one by the other and recognition of a kindred approach.
 
I am still surprised that Trump has ended up being their champion. I always assume it will be someone from TV Evangelical/Liberty college background.
Trump is a deeply racist, deeply misogynistic, deeply xenophobic, deeply anti-intellectual billionaire that wears Christianity like a Costco membership and “tells it like it is;” an empty and inviting vessel for all the hate they already feel.

He’s an utterly perfect avatar for American conservatives.
 

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Trump is a deeply racist, deeply misogynistic, deeply xenophobic billionaire that wears Christianity like a Costco membership and “tells it like it is;” an empty and inviting vessel for all the hate they already feel.

He’s an utterly perfect avatar for American conservatives.

It is hard to overstate how true this is. If you ever read quotes from the myriad of Cletus safaris, the constant theme is that Trump voters think he's a good man at heart despite the gargantuan avalanche of evil things he's done.
 
It is hard to overstate how true this is. If you ever read quotes from the myriad of Cletus safaris, the constant theme is that Trump voters think he's a good man at heart despite the gargantuan avalanche of evil things he's done.
Exactly.

The firmament of the conservative world view is that some people are ontologically good, and some people are ontologically bad, and that relationship is entirely a matter of your relative position in the hierarchy. People above you are categorically incapable of doing bad because they exist above you; people below you are categorically incapable of doing good, because they exist below you.

Trump’s actions are fundamentally irrelevant.
 
It is hard to overstate how true this is. If you ever read quotes from the myriad of Cletus safaris, the constant theme is that Trump voters think he's a good man at heart despite the gargantuan avalanche of evil things he's done.
I won't ever forget reading in 2015 people walking away from trump rallies with literal tears in their eyes, overjoyed that they finally found someone who said out loud everything they'd been thinking for years.

That was the first red flag warning. It should have been taken a lot more seriously at the time than it actually was.
 

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Kristol is one of those "I'm smarter than you" guys who isn't, and does a worse job of hiding it than someone like Will. He is a longtime neocon and a proto-fascist in support of that who, like many others, is pissed that morons like Trump took over the country from simple bumpkins like W. Bush, which is the kind of POTUS fascist neocons like because they can be convinced to approve foreign misadventures done in pursuit of profits for their cronies' private enterprises.
Isn't Trump proving himself to be that kind of POTUS?