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I think the issue is that it's one thing to have an article talking about cool bikes or about people having fun on motorcycles and it's another thing entirely to have an article advocating that you get one and commute on it. The question you always wind up with is if motorcycling is rewarding enough to be worth the risk you take and for a lot of people it's just not. Motorcycles aren't for everyone and that's OK.I'm surprised this comment section is so extremely negative towards motorbikes. Yes, there are higher risks connected with being relatively unprotected near other traffic - But getting on a motorbike is not a guaranteed gruesome injury either.
I agree with the article that full protective gear shall be worn every time, but it left out back protectors.
I don't ride my bike nearly as much as I used to, and I have commuted quite a bit. Just assume everyone around you is an inattentive idiot and it is usually fine (but to be fair, I assume the same when I drive my car too).
As an engineering student in his 20s, having ridden an Aprilia Tuono 660 for a bit, I have some points to make:
- I ride a bike mostly as playing with a toy. Constantly going for errands/point A to B trips where you don't target having a good time on the way with one will "get you" in the end because you will not be paying as much attention, you'll be taking the shortest route (often the motorway), you'll be loaded up with cargo and may in the end slack off properly wearing PPE. I've had times considering "yeah I'll just put on my bike jacket for this little trip and not wear the Astars boots". I also know that most accidents occur around your house. I've therefore never ridden it in normal clothing. One of my instructors had gotten his knee badly destroyed in what should have been a little 2km errand-getting ride where he swerved to avoid a car, couldn't divert on the sidewalk because a lady was walking there, then the bike keeled over and he fell. He had no PPE.
- It's a real expensive hobby. I honestly think you could get cheap thrills with an MX-5 without easily spending 2-3k on PPE with good quality helmets, boots, pants and jackets. Airbag systems are the cherry on top but I think Dainese's and Astars' systems cost like upwards of one thousand bucks and it's only the airbag. Severely reduces spinal injury. So going in it looking at bike prices compared to their power/weight ratio is misleading.
- Some PPE is going to be trading off safety for practicality/looks. The reinforced denim pants are alright, but some shoes I've seen have really low levels of ankle protection, same for some gloves. This is I assume to avoid looking like a power ranger in public - but again, look at my first point: if you can't pack to change and it's something really important, is it worth taking the bike while stressed?
- I care about death, but I am not really completely obsessed with it. I got my bike after emerging from depression with the outlook around the future. I want to get my thrills while I still can. The bike definitely delivers and it makes you feel alive like nothing else. It is truly one of - if not the - favourite thing i have around. I think this grimness about the future is shared with many of my peers around my age, which explains why I slowly saw more and more students on bikes over time.
- Today the rates of deaths on the road are identical to when bikes didn't have the technologies that we currently have, that is TC, ABS, steering ABS, advanced PPE. This is due to both bad technique from other road users and bikers themselves. The bike can do a whole lot for you but doing a proper avoidance maneuver at speed or emergency braking has to be a stroll in the park for you. Moreover, I've noticed in the last five years more and more people on their phone on the motorway. One of my peers had his friend be crushed into a paste by a phone-addicted van driver right in front of his eyes while riding - on the motorway. That's why I try my best to avoid it - which is easy, since it's the most boring roads to take. Also reduces the potential energy and braking distance, and raises the reaction time in a crash since I'll mostly be around 70-90km/h on the side roads vs 120-130km/h on the highway. Noticed people paid more attention on the side roads too. Fun roads keep everyone involved, not only bikers.
- My father has been an orthopaedic surgeon for decades and has been the least stressed out about me riding the bike in my familial circle. Most of his patients with high energy fractures are NOT wearing PROPER gear. This is anecdotal evidence, and my father could be plotting for my demise, but I find it reassuring somewhat.
I'm happy to talk bikes with people interested in them, and enjoy having more friends to go on a drive with, but I worry that pushing people into the hobby for pure practical aspects will make the space end up with more "scooter drivers" - guys on 125cc devices just swerving around traffic in shorts with an unfastened helmet and scrolling on their phones (they manage to get through a big city ten times faster than me with a bike ten times less powerful than mine! they don't fear death) - just that this time they would be on 80-100hp vehicles. Meh
If you want to go East-West in San Fernando Valley, you have to highways : 101 and 118.Yeah. Speed, distance, frequency, and other road users all figure in to the risk picture. Would I ride a motorcycle on a quiet back road with few other cars? Sure. Would I ride a motorcycle or e-bike short distances in the city, at relatively low neighborhood speeds? Sure. Would I ride a motorcycle at 66-70mph in morning highway traffic? Shit the living fuck no.
America has a distance problem and a zoning problem. We prefer four- to two-wheeled vehicles for the same reason we prefer planes over trains: we have long distances to travel.America has a motorcycle problem. Whereas the rest of the world views two-wheeled motorized transportation as transportation, the US sees motorcycles and scooters as toys.
Go ahead and tell me ensuring the destination I go to is where I want, that the roads I'm taking are empty, that the weather is going to be good, that I'm not carrying a shit ton of weight in my bags or rushing to an appointment at a time that I cannot postpone or cancel is a bad idea.I think it's hilarious that a 20 something year old, riding a high power sports bike, "mostly as playing with a toy", is lecturing against commuting and doing errands as the danger that will "get you" if you don't focus on "having a good time".
Did you leave out the /s ??
That's not unusual. If I'm not stressed out or distracted by the day's work on my commute I'm probably surrounded by rush hour traffic full of people that are. Being in the right headspace is important to being able to make good decisions while riding.I think it's hilarious that a 20 something year old, riding a high power sports bike, "mostly as playing with a toy", is lecturing against commuting and doing errands as the danger that will "get you" if you don't focus on "having a good time".
Did you leave out the /s ??
Yeah. Speed, distance, frequency, and other road users all figure in to the risk picture. Would I ride a motorcycle on a quiet back road with few other cars? Sure. Would I ride a motorcycle or e-bike short distances in the city, at relatively low neighborhood speeds? Sure. Would I ride a motorcycle at 66-70mph in morning highway traffic? Shit the living fuck no.
One clarification, there are multi hour commutes, some are 17 miles some are 90 miles.America has a distance problem and a zoning problem. We prefer four- to two-wheeled vehicles for the same reason we prefer planes over trains: we have long distances to travel.
Not all of this is inevitable. We exacerbate our geography problem with our perverted suburb fetish and all its attendant paraphernalia: millions of crappy cookie cutter houses, strip malls, drive throughs, shopping malls, and - worst of all - the automobile as the false god of ersatz freedom and bogus economic mobility. The whole hideous mess of it is a national disease, which among other nightmares, kills 25,000 people a year.
In most European countries, the division between urban and rural landscapes is much sharper and more abrupt. Most people live in cities, where public transportation and two-wheeled vehicles are feasible and sensible. The U.S., on the other hand, is the land of two and three hour daily commutes. Most areas lack decent public transportation. Much of the country is subject to extreme weather. For the majority of Americans, it's simply not possible to use a motorcycle as a primary means of transportation, and in a time when more and more of the populace is being economically banished to Walmart, the expense of maintaining two vehicles is simply too much.
P.S. This is why I've lived only in those few American cities where it's possible to rely entirely on a bicycle and a motorcycle, and am now an old man who's never owned a car. I regard them as ugly, stupid, wasteful, and destructive. My siblings regard me as radical socialist whose mere existence corrupts their children.
P.P.S. I've great enjoyed the three bikes I've owned. If you're considering it, first attend a top ranking motorcycle school. Take the course twice if you don't ace it the first time. Your life is at stake. Second, acquire your first bike knowing that you're going to beat it to death. Nice bikes are for your second year of riding. Finally, always wear a top-rated full-face helmet. Don't inflict caring for a drooling, incontinent remnant of yourself on the people who care about you.
Yeah, they are mandatory now. Have been for a while. A lot of squids on sport bikes put race pipes on though, which is both illegal and annoyingly loud.They used to be, but not anymore. At least not in the US. They pretty much all have catalytic converters now. It might be legally mandatory, but even if not, basically every motorcycle sold comes with one.
A lot of them, certainly not all but at least quite a few, are probably the same that say driving shouldn't be fun. That everything needs to be as safe as safe can be. Safety is an illusion. Everything is a risk. Might as well pick enjoyable ones.I'm surprised this comment section is so extremely negative towards motorbikes. Yes, there are higher risks connected with being relatively unprotected near other traffic - But getting on a motorbike is not a guaranteed gruesome injury either.
I agree with the article that full protective gear shall be worn every time, but it left out back protectors.
I don't ride my bike nearly as much as I used to, and I have commuted quite a bit. Just assume everyone around you is an inattentive idiot and it is usually fine (but to be fair, I assume the same when I drive my car too).
You can start calling us Neurophysiology Research Volunteers if Organ Donors is getting old. Wordy but I kinda like itI stopped being interested in motorcycles during my college Neurophysiology class when I learned that neurological research pays for long-term hospitalization of motorcycle riders with brain injuries because motorcyclists damaging and inserting foreign objects into every corner of the skull is still one of the best ways of figuring out what parts of the brain do what.
That may be, but the most common age group for motorcycle fatalities is age 50+ (https://www.iihs.org/research-areas/fatality-statistics/detail/motorcycles-and-atvs#age-and-sex). Younger riders (<29yo) are about 30% of fatalities, older riders (>50) are 33%. and have outpaced younger rider's fatalities since 2009.As far as safety, people need to keep in mind that the squids skew the statistics. The young (mostly) men (mostly) who ride as if they were indestructible and stunt, and post videos of themselves speeding, count for a huge proportion of the motorcycle accidents and fatalities.
Go ahead and tell me ensuring the destination I go to is where I want, that the roads I'm taking are empty, that the weather is going to be good, that I'm not carrying a shit ton of weight in my bags or rushing to an appointment at a time that I cannot postpone or cancel is a bad idea.
I get on my bike when I feel at 100% and am in the mood for it. I get up and go to classes, appointments, work while tired and drowsy because they're obligations of my adult life, in my car that is safer. But you'd have maybe gotten that message had you not disregarded my post at the first paragraph... Maybe you're busy skimming it on the motorway?
Bro... It's a 660. And a Tuono at that. Not exactly a high power sports bike. Sure it's fast enough to yeet yourself into Low Earth Orbit if you try hard enough, but it's not a "Liter bike" that can do that in second gear.I think it's hilarious that a 20 something year old, riding a high power sports bike, "mostly as playing with a toy", is lecturing against commuting and doing errands as the danger that will "get you" if you don't focus on "having a good time".
Did you leave out the /s ??
Went strait from driving cars and trucks for 20 years to doing 3 hour round trip commutes to Boston on my first bike. Admittedly not my smartest move. Wrecked twice in the first two weeks. Three years later I'm still on that bike 5+ days a week, and my current commute is 1.5hrs round trip, just now at over 100 degrees. Long commutes are definitely doable. Unfortunately, fuel tanks are small and tires wear surprisingly quickly. Every other day I gotta stop for 3 gallons of gas, and I only get about 8,000 miles out of a tire. That's the rough part.One clarification, there are multi hour commutes, some are 17 miles some are 90 miles.
They fit whole families on a Honda Cub here. It’s most people’s sole family vehicle.Sounds like this is specific to California cities, with their relativity stable environment, and motorcycle friendly laws. Outside of that you start running into all the major downsides, not to mention the fact that you're talking about buying a $10k+ commuter specific vehicle to go along with needing another vehicle for non-commuting needs.
But we live in the real world, where people are going to wear the least amount they can get away with legally. I very rarely see people on motorcycles with riding specific gear, other than a helmet. Maybe commuters are more likely to wear this as they need to keep their work clothes in better shape?
I don't understand how their centrifugal clutches don't need to be rebuilt on a daily basis the way they ride.They fit whole families on a Honda Cub here. It’s most people’s sole family vehicle.
It's not a S1000RR...? it's quite a weak, naked bike relatively speaking, bought for its handling characteristics and not speed. I'd have gotten something weaker but A2 class bikes cost just about the same. Maybe you'd be scared to learn that all A license tests are held on 660cc class bikes with an output for about 100hp, like the Honda CB750 Hornet and Yamaha MT-07. That is, there are people who have only ridden a bike for 4 hours so far going on the same road you take, with bikes with the same output as mine.It's more that you are in your twenties and get your jollies with a high powered sports bike on the street. You are practically a cliché. And then you lecture other people for not emulating you.
I think high powered sports bikes should really be on the track, as they would be rather wasted if you are riding legally on the road.
In California, at least, seems most motorcyclist don't know that that lane splitting is only for certain circumstances, like not at 80mph. It's an abused privilege.For motorcyclists, it's also famous because you get the ability to legally split lanes (i.e., ride between cars on the lane-dividing lines) and filter (i.e., ride between vehicles at a stoplight to get to the front)
Could potentially give you time to get out of the way? Potentially.How the fuck is checking the mirrors going to make that car that's rear-ending you stop faster or avoid you?
I used to ride - including commuting. I had a big ol' 1500cc v-twin cruiser (no loud pipes - but had that twin rumble). One night on a ride I hit a deer... no one but the deer was injured and a dent in my front fender. My father's best friend had several bikes and was very experienced and died in a horrific head-on with a truck that swerved into his lane. I pretty much stopped riding after that (took a few months to realize why I wasn't into it anymore).That said though, I support mandatory helmet laws. Anyone who gets on a motorcycle without one is a moron who needs their license pulled. If you disagree…GFYS
I don't ride now, but I do down hill ski, and I take the same approach. If my heads not in the game then I get off the slopes, because that shit's dangerous. My local ski slopes are a small affair but there's still several people a year killing themselves by running into trees etc. And on the days that I do ski, I always see the ski patrol bringing someone down the mountain.That's not unusual. If I'm not stressed out or distracted by the day's work on my commute I'm probably surrounded by rush hour traffic full of people that are. Being in the right headspace is important to being able to make good decisions while riding.
Here in the UK filtering (lane splitting) is not only legal but encouraged, and our motorcycle KSI accident rates are lower than any US state. It's a lot safer than sitting at the back of a line of cars waiting for some inattentive driver to smash into you.I work in a hospital as an ID doctor, often treating trauma-related infections. Even a regular bicycle or electric bike is dangerous enough. Add a ton more power and a lot more heavy metal to it, and its just catastrophic. You see your several hundred'th limb(s) amputation and traumatic brain injury from a motorcycle accident and it kind of makes it lose just a bit of that luster. Also, theres a VERY GOOD REASON lane splitting is illegal in many places, it's because it's the #1 highest risk ways of getting turned from a functional human into a pile of shattered bones and ejected cranial contents.