Tesla makes its cars lie about their mileage, lawsuit claims
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To be clear, fucking with odometers like this is a crime, not just shitty behavior.
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seems like it'd be easy to add an external sensor to compare the odometer to how much the wheels actually spin
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I was waiting for this story to show on Ars and I'm glad it did.
In case you're wondering why Musk worked so hard to elect Trump, and why he explicitly said he'd be in prison if Harris won, this is why.
Even if he didn't go to jail for odometer tampering on a mass scale, this would have Theranos'ed Tesla and Musk would be financially broken, buried in shareholder suits, if not in jail for fraud.
It'd have made Dieselgate look like a fucking parking ticket.
In case you're wondering why Musk worked so hard to elect Trump, and why he explicitly said he'd be in prison if Harris won, this is why.
Even if he didn't go to jail for odometer tampering on a mass scale, this would have Theranos'ed Tesla and Musk would be financially broken, buried in shareholder suits, if not in jail for fraud.
It'd have made Dieselgate look like a fucking parking ticket.
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Good luck, I didn't think the US Judiciary had jurisdiction over anything associated with the Republican Party any more.
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It looks like there is an error in the third paragraph. If he was driving 6,086 miles per month, he should far surpass 13,228 miles in a six month period.
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Don't worry. You're not going crazy. The article was just updated.
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Makes you wonder how Tesla vehicles measure speed since the speedometer and odometer usually use the same sensor or mechanical takeoff from the axle or drive shaft.
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Yes, because odometer tampering and fraud are both state level crimes.
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Yes. With any other administration, and in any other year, this would be a huge deal with jail time for people. Now - probably dropped and forgotten.
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The issue appears that the car isn't recording the mileage correctly. I doubt that this is a problem with the actual sensors.
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They're also crimes in other countries, so I'm now wondering if other countries will be taking a closer look.
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Given that in modern cars the speedometer and odometer are just displays reporting data coming from a sensor, it would be very minimal effort to manipulate either of the displays. Of course, if the manipulation is occurring, then whoever did this should be in deep shit - but I'm not holding my breath.
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Don't forget that most crimes are state crimes. The feds would normally only be involved if for instance it involved the moving of product across state lines for sale (which would be the normal type of odometer fraud).
So whil the feds won't prosecute them, I imagine there are quite a few AG's in the state who will be happy to.
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Perhaps Tesla is also using the OTA connection to adjust the mileage from time to time to more Tesla friendly numbers. So in a test, the odometer works. But in the wee hours there's a touch of padding going on.
Sounds like an issue calling for some serious discovery.
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We do, in fact, understand what you're saying. Don't say it here
No, because he gets away with everything.
No law will ever hold him accountable. No rules written on any page will EVER be enough.
Accountability for these people must be achieved through other means. They have taken away the civilized methods of accountability.
Understand what I'm saying?
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"Things I heard daily between the years 2016 and 2024" for 1000, Alex.
edit: quoting the right post!
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And of course this is the same company that that was reported on in 2023
Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
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I know not to feed the trolls, but I really wonder what goes on with the lone troll downvoting factual information. Is it because they are worship at the altar of Musk and don't want his peccadilloes exposed?? Or is it because they just love fucking around with posts? Or is it because they have a vendetta against me in particular?
Tesla created secret team to suppress thousands of driving range complaints
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I know not to feed the trolls, but I really wonder what goes on with the lone troll downvoting factual information. Is it because they are worship at the altar of Musk and don't want his peccadilloes exposed?? Or is it because they just love fucking around with posts? Or is it because they have a vendetta against me in particular?
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Its only a crime if conservatives say it is. We live in the future where we don't just do vibe-coding, we also do vibe-governance now.
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America is such a fucking nightmare dystopia, and everyone just acts like it's totally normal for a company to be able to put in fine print 'you can't actually sue me for anything, you have to ask my paid for contractor what they think my punishment should be'.
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Thats what I was thinking too.
Add that to the fraud investigation in Canada over EV rebates, and then have the EU investigate as well, etc
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It is a crime in all fifty states and specifically a federal crime as well, and is covered under blanket fraud statutes, and is covered by all kinds of civil jurisprudence as well.
However, the criminal statutes are directed at individual fraudsters and are actually written in terms of departing from the manufacturer's design. So, Tesla itself can't really violate the letter of those laws. Still their civil liability here is virtually unlimited.
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crime : "an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law."
It's only a crime if punishable by law. Do you think Elon is punishable by law?
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If they're even using dedicated sensors. The lawsuit alleges they're using some algorithm that can be gamed. Could this mean they may be using GPS for speed and the odometer instead of a sensor? It's possible. Could it mean they're counting "ticks" from a dedicated sensor wrong? That too is possible.
Tesla seems to skip a lot of the basic important stuff in the name of saving costs (while making other things like door handles way too expensive and complicated). I would say it's absolutely possible they decided to rely on GPS and an algorithm for speed and odometer vs using a dedicated, simple electromechanical sensor.
Anyone know for certain how the speedometer and odometer work in a Tesla?
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Yes it is, in my state it's a misdemeanor with a fine up to $500 and/or 90 days jail time. Subsequent offenses up to $50k and a year's imprisonment (the maximum for a misdemeanor of any stripe).
That said like any crime the DA has to be willing to file charges. There's a lot that's completely illegal in the automotive racket that never sees the inside of a courtroom mostly having to do with how shady-black auto insurance companies have become because of lack of prosecution resources (compared to the insurance companies) and just how powerful insurance companies are along with it being illegal for auto body shops to form negotiating groups to stop the worst of the abuses.
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With the cameras, obviously. If we humans can do it with our eyes, it must be good enough. /s
Being more realistic, I bet the inverters know exactly how fast the electric motors are spinning at any given time. It's possible they don't have an actual sensor dedicated to the task. Although I think you need per wheel sensors for ABS to work anyway.
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Have to update the list for people who only recently decided Tesla was bad.
"I only supported Tesla when they were:
But I don't any more."
"I only supported Tesla when they were:
- lying about FSD capabilities putting the public at risk
- firing anyone wanting to unionize
- promoting a hostile workplace
- taking billions from china
- fake greenwashing projects
- cooking the books
- designed cars that get totaled in a fender bender
But I don't any more."
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Ah, that's a great point. They definitely should have the data from the motors already.
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Oh, I assure you I've never thought that. There are no limits to the depths guys like Musk are willing to plunge.
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Also easy for Tesla to update over-the-air to stop it for anyone they suspect might research it.
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Right now, no. If he says the wrong thing to the orange clown, totally.
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That is the old outdated tech.
How else will we stuff AI into something completely unnecessary to save 10 cents per car?
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