Switching from Spotify to Apple Music

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Currently using Spotify cause that's what Microsoft had a migration path to when it shut down Groove Music. As an iPhone user, I'm getting a little tired of having my music in two separate apps as not everything in my local library is available for streaming. So I'm thinking of switching to Apple Music, especially since Apple seems to retain the Artist and Album views. Spotify had this once, but then decided to eliminate any song you like from any view other than the Liked Songs playlist.

But, what's stopping me is that Spotify's mixes and recommendations for new artists are insanely good at matching my music tastes. I've discovered a bunch of new artists over the last couple of years and I'm really happy with the ongoing mixes.

Podcasts are not a factor in leaving Spotify. Never listened to them there.

So my question is has anyone made the switch and found the same level of recommendations/new music?
 

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Currently using Spotify cause that's what Microsoft had a migration path to when it shut down Groove Music. As an iPhone user, I'm getting a little tired of having my music in two separate apps as not everything in my local library is available for streaming. So I'm thinking of switching to Apple Music, especially since Apple seems to retain the Artist and Album views. Spotify had this once, but then decided to eliminate any song you like from any view other than the Liked Songs playlist.

But, what's stopping me is that Spotify's mixes and recommendations for new artists are insanely good at matching my music tastes. I've discovered a bunch of new artists over the last couple of years and I'm really happy with the ongoing mixes.

Podcasts are not a factor in leaving Spotify. Never listened to them there.

So my question is has anyone made the switch and found the same level of recommendations/new music?
Things may have changed (probably not) but Spotify had better mixes and playlists last time I looked and that’s not even taking into consideration access to user playlists. Still no word on lossless from Spotify though so I signed up for another year of Tidal in spite of really disliking the digital snake oil that is MQA.

Probably not a consideration for most but Spotify and sorta Tidal let you use a raspberry pi with an spdif hat as a music server connected to your audio system and cast playback more similar to chromecasting which is a much better solution than airplay in this regard.
 

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I've never paid for Apple Music, but did have a 3 month trial, then a 5 month trial. I get no end of "one month free! Try us again!" offers from Apple, too, although I haven't used any of those.

Honestly, I was never very impressed with it. It's a fine service, but what squiggy said—the recommendation algorithms, in my experience, were not up to par of their competitors, and Spotify's massive library of community playlists is its ace in the hole. Apple's begrudging embrace of public playlists is very half-hearted by comparison.

But these are personal experiences, and based on how important constant new music discovery is to you. Given how easy it is (apparently) to get months of free access to Apple Music, before you cancel Spotify, sample it hard and see what you think. Any recommendation engine is going to need a few weeks, if not longer, to really get a sense of your tastes and start delivering it's "best shot" of mixes and recommendations, so it'd be hard to evaluate any service without really driving it around for a bit. As you say, too, if your goal is to integrate a streaming music library and your own library, no one does that better than Apple Music, and it is definitely their unicorn feature.
 

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My general understanding is that Spotify does a much much better job of surfacing new and interesting music for you. How much of that can be attributed to your use of Spotify and data fed into the algorithm engine, I'm not qualified to estimate. Apple Music offers the ecosystem integration, and I can attest to their "upload your own music" feature to be ~flawless for BYOM.
 

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I assessed switching to Apple Music using the 3 month trial and ended up not doing so. I found that discoverability and recommendation was not as good on Apple Music. One of the best features of Spotify is that you can chuck like 5 songs into an empty playlist and it'll immediately give you actual good recommendations for songs to add to the playlist that work with existing playlist contents. I've built a ton of playlists this way and I couldn't really find something that worked similarly on Apple Music. Apple Music instead seems to focus on the artist-based radio stations that surface similar music, which Spotify has since added, but I don't find this as useful. Discover Weekly is still probably the best feature of all on Spotify though. I'm not sure if Apple Music has something like that, but I couldn't find it when I was using it either way.

Also yeah, easily usable community playlists is a big feature for Spotify and Apple Music's version is an afterthought in comparison.
 

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I've been running this experiment as well-- I dropped the Spotify subscription (and a couple other things) to see if Apple One was a good, integrated replacement.

I did find that Song Shift does a decent job of transmogrifying Spotify playlists to Apple Music, which helps the "Apple's community playlists feature is mediocre", but that just means that I'm back to two apps when what I really wanted was one.
 
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I switched a few months ago, because I got sick of Spotify pushing podcasts I wasn't listening to (even in CarPlay!) and the associated price increase (I didn't mind the price increase, but it was the knowledge that it was in some insignificant way supporting them supporting certain people that I objected to).

Like everyone else said, there's really no comparison in terms of music discovery; Spotify wins hands down. Then again, Spotify is also slowly rolling out payola for inclusion in mixes, so... whatever.

An at least one-month SongShift subscription is money well spent if you switch or trial Apple Music, especially if you have any huge playlists. After a decade, I had something like 40 Spotify playlists and my largest (liked songs) had >5,000 songs, so I was never going to transfer everything manually. I think I had maybe 30-40 songs total that had match errors, of those, maybe 25-30 just needed to be matched manually and the rest were just too obscure. Only one or two songs were actually matched incorrectly (as far as I can tell).

Besides the discovery, the other big failing of Apple Music in my opinion is that liking/hearting a song doesn't add it anywhere, so even when you discover something you like, you have to actually remember to add it to a list if you want to come back to it again.

If you have iTunes Match, there's some bugginess with streaming songs. I have a a lot of live recordings of bands stored on iTunes Match and with at least one of them, Apple Music will play the live Match version rather than stream the album version, even though I'm navigating through the Apple Music side of the Music app (Which leads me to believe they try to save bandwidth by always playing local versions if possible, which might be a problem if you have some older stuff ripped in the days where 128k was a luxury).
 

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my biggest beef with apple music was that it forever muddled up my personal music library. I don't think it ever did Match back in the day (that was a separate service right), and at the time Music came out there were many probs with Music replacing my old MP3 files with something "close enough" from them, and omitting songs too. And on top of that, poor choices in musical selections. Even after cancelling that first free trial, my music library was messy. Also, why would apple have duplicates for iTunes-purchased songs if I had some of them downloaded...lots of problems and sometimes I wish they'd start ALL OVER.

At some point, I will go thru my old music library and make sure anything missing is on spotify or apple music, and I may give apple one more chance if it can upload/match some of the stuff that's never on streaming (mostly from "various artists albums such as soundtracks but also tributes). I don't know how to do this though.

I haven't paid for it, but I currently have a 12 month free sub to Music thru my cell phone provider, and I already pay for spotify. For podcasts I mostly use spotify though I would prob be happier separating music from podcasts.
 
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I've been using Apple Music for a while, and while it may not have the same algorithmic recommendations as Spotify, the curation I've found to be better. I find a lot of new music because I'm subscribed to the public playlists for genres I like (and they can get quite specific!) that are compiled by the Apple Music editors. They get updated quite regularly with new music, so I usually find something I like when I listen to them. There's also some programmes on Apple Music One that I like (you can listen to them on demand), and they all have the appropriate metadata so that you can add whatever song is currently playing to your library without having to search for it.
 

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I moved to Apple Music when it came out because of the family subscription. While the interface was something of a mess to begin with it got sorted pretty quickly though I’m not a massive fan of the iOS app and the web version is woeful. The personalised playlists offered up each week have narrowed a bit over the last year of so but then so have my tastes. Otherwise, they’ve worked out well I think — it’s rare they have something I dislike and a lot of tracks gets added to my library.

When I was on Spotify for some reason I mostly listened to albums so my usage wasn’t typical and the move to Apple Music actually broadened the way I listened and became much more a mix of my playlists, curated playlists, stations and so on. I have an Apple account anyway so having no need for another account with someone else just for music is a benefit but even without that I have no particular inclination to move back to Spotify.
 

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the curation I've found to be better.

I have a lot of edge-case opinions about this, so bear with me as I go off the deep end.

The problem, to me, with Apple's human curation is that it can't possibly keep up with the swarm, especially for something as dynamic as popular music. So while Apple's curated playlists may be tighter and more on-point than one generated algorithmically, my experience was they were woeful in identifying new movers and sounds.

One example would be how Apple has, over the last few months, started heavily amplifying Charlotte De Witte, the phenom Belgian DJ that essentially re-invented dark techno through her epic, combustive sets that often featured obscure tracks by indie artists working outside the traditional "scene." That's fine (and great) that Apple is giving her such a broad stage, but they're doing so a full decade after she got her start, when she recorded and performed under the pseudonym "Raving George" as a way to avoid being cast aside by the old boy's club that was the DJ scene for many years. They've zeroed in on her as an individual, while her greatest impact has been to elevate an entire underrepresented genre of dance music and bring it to a wider audience. Spotify's (and YouTube's) algorithms can (and have) recognized this and created connections between what people are listening to that human curators cannot and will not—Spotify brought CdW and a host of other dark techno artists to my attention years before she even had a proper photo on her artist page in Apple Music.

Even Apple's ability to human-curate individual artists is, at times, suspect: Look at Apple's odd obsession with Billie Eilish. Her and her musician brother are incredibly talented, but her popularity has been on the wane for some time, and she's already actively talking about moving beyond making pop music. Yet here's Apple, on the trailing end, trying to play tastemaker. This strikes me as Apple bending at the knee to the whims of her record company, rather than really thinking about and looking at where the audience that resonated with her music is moving to. It feels like everything that was wrong with Top 40 radio, reinvented for the digital age.

Humans are individual focused. Algorithms can spot and amplify much wider trends. But again, I don't want to over-stress this as some kind of killing blow to the value of Apple Music. Far from it. Not all music moves as quickly as electronic or pop music, not all music listeners value discovery with quite the intensity that I do, and not all human curation is going to be, at a default, incapable of matching the ability of algorithms to draw connections and pull threads. Apple's curation absolutely helps to cut through some of the "chaos" of music's seemingly infinite amounts of choice. But that's why I suggested that the OP take advantage of Apple's unique generosity to sample the service hard to make sure it nails the sort of music they like to listen to.
 

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the curation I've found to be better.

I have a lot of edge-case opinions about this, so bear with me as I go off the deep end.

The problem, to me, with Apple's human curation is that it can't possibly keep up with the swarm, especially for something as dynamic as popular music. So while Apple's curated playlists may be tighter and more on-point than one generated algorithmically, my experience was they were woeful in identifying new movers and sounds.

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I can totally see people’s mileage varying with it! I’m more likely to listen to music I already know and probably add a handful of tracks/albums to my library each month, so Spotify’s constant stream of new can feel overwhelming sometimes, and Apple’s more measured pace works well for me. But I can see that being frustrating if you’re more in search of novelty than me!
 
I prefer Apple Music to Spotify *because* of the way it integrates Albums into my pre-existing library. Spotify is fun and I enjoy playlists, but they're not the primary way I listen to music. I'm still an Albums-guy. That Apple Music is exposed via an API and there are third part players, like Albums, is a strong sell to me.

Music discovery isn't as good as Spotify, but Apple Music's once-a-week "new music" playlist has become a ritual to me. I always listen to the whole thing a few times through, and end up investigating artists or albums.I guess because it's so containable?

Most of my music discovery comes from blogs, and I *enjoy* tracking down albums I've seen reviewed on Sputnik or whatever.

For the record, I wish Apple bought Pandora (which is no longer available in Aus). It's radio algorithms were/are peerless.
 

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I've never paid for Apple Music, but did have a 3 month trial, then a 5 month trial. I get no end of "one month free! Try us again!" offers from Apple, too, although I haven't used any of those.

Honestly, I was never very impressed with it. It's a fine service, but what squiggy said—the recommendation algorithms, in my experience, were not up to par of their competitors, and Spotify's massive library of community playlists is its ace in the hole. Apple's begrudging embrace of public playlists is very half-hearted by comparison.
This was my experience with Apple Music too. I earnestly tried to make it work over months, and couldn't. So when I switched to Yandex Music, I had non-stop wow moments - turns out music recommendations can work! And in just a few weeks. Now I'm trying Deezer - it's available globally - and even as a small company, they have fantastic recommendations. I started getting enjoyable mixes in a couple of days, starting with nothing but a dozen of favorite artists, and a lot of music I never heard in three years of using streaming services. This even compensates for their lack of curated playlists in some genres. So Apple Music appears to be among the worst services in this aspect, not just not the best.

Also, when you're switching streaming services, turns out it might be a good idea not to transfer your entire library right away. Give the algorithm some room to work. But do back up the old library first.
 

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Switching from Spotify to Apple Music...

Is a frustrating and disappointing experience. I'm not a sophisticated user either. I mostly used Spotify on the phone while walking for listening to podcasts and music or listening to music in the background on the desktop. The playlists for any given category of music on Spotify are nearly always great and there's a huge depth of them. Apple music not so much. The interface on mobile is trash. It's hard to navigate, slow and crashes far more often than you'd want. The pause from pressing play to hearing something baffles me. Why can Spotify make this instant and Apple can't? Why does the lock screen of the phone sometimes not reflect the actual song playing? When I look up a song and listen to it why does it bother me about what I want to do with the song I was last listening to? It's just a giant mess of a thing that seems to actively hate the user. I'm going back to spotify despite apples mess being free with my phone deal.
 

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I had a 3 month trial of apple music and it was just utter dogshit. So bad I couldn't believe it was released software. Search for a song and play, Spotify Just Works. Apple, not so much. To the point of checking the app, seeing if it had crashed, volume was down or what. And then out of nowhere it was a million db. The interface was nothing to write home about. It just never seemed to do anything better than anything else and most things worst than most. So much so I wouldn't give it another shot. It was that annoying.
 
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It's fine. The playlist conversion was easy with free songshift. The recs are not anywhere near as great or easily integrated, but much better since they've been leveraging AI with their Discovery Station playlist. it's better the more apple-y your world is. Really the best part of it is that my money isn't paying joe rogan or a platform that very poorly compensates artists. I do have some very nice inherited audiophile equipment my dad left behind, and the sound quality -is very much so- better than anything Spotify has, but if I hadn't inherited this equipment I wouldn't have invested into it. Apple Music does seem like one of those services that Apple is just shooting itself in the face with. Classic was a stumbling block but I listen to a fair amount of classical music and it's nice to have the separate interface.

Eh. It feels like the idea is that Apple Music is like really nice AV equipment. The quality is incredibly nice, but the interface is very limited. I don't hugely appreciate it but fuck spotify.
 

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Apple Music does seem like one of those services that Apple is just shooting itself in the face with.

Is there any service of Apple's that this isn't the case? They're all mostly so mid as to be essentially impossible for me to justify paying hard-earned money for over (what I feel) are far better third party alternatives. I'd grant exception to Fitness+ and certain functions of iCloud, if only because of the impossible-to-duplicate integrations that make them quite unique and higher value (to me).

I said my peace up-thread about why Apple Music doesn't work for me, so I won't rehash that, but, I'll echo Bonusround: If it works for you, that's great and all that matters.

(also, there was a spam message before yours, FoO, which is why you probably replied in the first place, but this is hardly a bad thread to bump. Although the passage of time does illustrate just how slowly Apple iterates Apple Music. There's still no Apple Music Classical Mac client, is there?)
 

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Is there any service of Apple's that this isn't the case? They're all mostly so mid as to be essentially impossible for me to justify paying hard-earned money for over (what I feel) are far better third party alternatives. I'd grant exception to Fitness+ and certain functions of iCloud, if only because of the impossible-to-duplicate integrations that make them quite unique and higher value (to me).
Yeah, if you use it, fitness+ is pretty fantastic, and /some/ of the iCloud integrations are really nice. I'd also say AppleTV has some amazeballs content, but stepping back from it all - I think calling them mid is probably just a little generous. They have such a giant war chest, it is difficult to understand why they can't just deshittify. What baby is there keeping them from throwing out the bathwater?

I said my peace up-thread about why Apple Music doesn't work for me, so I won't rehash that, but, I'll echo Bonusround: If it works for you, that's great and all that matters.
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(also, there was a spam message before yours, FoO, which is why you probably replied in the first place, but this is hardly a bad thread to bump. Although the passage of time does illustrate just how slowly Apple iterates Apple Music. There's still no Apple Music Classical Mac client, is there?)
Ahh crap, yeah probably why I stepped in it. But yeah, I'm still in the throes of switching over to Apple Music, in a house with Google and Apple speakers/devices, too. Definitely some mixed baggery going on, but overall, it's fine. Not good, not shite, but fine.
 
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Most of my music discovery comes from blogs, and I enjoy tracking down albums I've seen reviewed on Sputnik or whatever.
This. I enjoy reading album reviews and music journalism generally. So it wouldn’t occur to me to want music discovery to be a primary function of my music listening software.
 

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I had a 3 month trial of apple music and it was just utter dogshit. So bad I couldn't believe it was released software. Search for a song and play, Spotify Just Works. Apple, not so much. To the point of checking the app, seeing if it had crashed, volume was down or what. And then out of nowhere it was a million db. The interface was nothing to write home about. It just never seemed to do anything better than anything else and most things worst than most. So much so I wouldn't give it another shot. It was that annoying.

The desktop is miserable and Spotify trounces it in every regard. But on the Apple TV, Apple Music is worth having a subscription for as it has music videos, interviews and live sessions that really make sense if you have the ATV hooked up to a nice screen via HDMI eARC and a decent (hifi speakers not soundbar/homepods etc) sound system. I never log in to Apple Music on my Macs or various iThings, but the ATV experience alone is worth it.
 

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Is there any service of Apple's that this isn't the case? They're all mostly so mid as to be essentially impossible for me to justify paying hard-earned money for over (what I feel) are far better third party alternatives. I'd grant exception to Fitness+ and certain functions of iCloud, if only because of the impossible-to-duplicate integrations that make them quite unique and higher value (to me).

I said my peace up-thread about why Apple Music doesn't work for me, so I won't rehash that, but, I'll echo Bonusround: If it works for you, that's great and all that matters.

(also, there was a spam message before yours, FoO, which is why you probably replied in the first place, but this is hardly a bad thread to bump. Although the passage of time does illustrate just how slowly Apple iterates Apple Music. There's still no Apple Music Classical Mac client, is there?)
I mean - look at the Podcasts client. Since iTunes basically started podcasting, it should be the best darned podcatcher out there but... well.

Apple Music only works for me because most of the time I want to hear something at home I yell at the Homepods.

I've noticed you can technically get Spotify to work with them now, but it's one of those typical Apple things that you have to jump through a sufficient number of hoops to make the experience too friction-bound to make it worthwhile for anyone.
 

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my biggest beef with apple music was that it forever muddled up my personal music library. I don't think it ever did Match back in the day (that was a separate service right), and at the time Music came out there were many probs with Music replacing my old MP3 files with something "close enough" from them, and omitting songs too. And on top of that, poor choices in musical selections. Even after cancelling that first free trial, my music library was messy. Also, why would apple have duplicates for iTunes-purchased songs if I had some of them downloaded...lots of problems and sometimes I wish they'd start ALL OVER.
I had the same experience initially. Apple Music 'matched' my library of ripped CDs and demolished it to the point where I have to re-rip most of the music. not terrible, but certainly not a task I want to do a second time.
 

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I had the same experience initially. Apple Music 'matched' my library of ripped CDs and demolished it to the point where I have to re-rip most of the music. not terrible, but certainly not a task I want to do a second time.
I suppose that while there's a 'you should know what you're getting into' element, with Apple in theory it should be that any idiot can figure it out...

...except, obviously, you're not in this situation doing what Apple directly wants you to do. And that obviously involves hoop jumping beyond the reasonable.

So anyone who isn't the above should be prepared for what comes next. My Match was correctly up in the cloud at the first attempt. However whether I can be bothered to keep it up to date, given again the hoops, is something else entirely.
 
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I wanted to say that the Match stuff worked out for me, brilliantly. The problem was that I didn't pay for Match at the very beginning of apple music when I tried it years so. So it butchered the library and mis-matched stuff. Then later on, when the Apple bundle happened and iit ncluded Match...that was when I tried again, by importing my MP3 collection... this time it actually checked the song to see if it really matched the pre-existing stuff...and when it didn't it just uploaded it to my library.
 

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Are you talking about Apple One? I’ve had Apple One for a few years, but still get charged annually for iTunes Match. I wonder if I’m overpaying.
Match is included with any Apple Music subscription. But there was an arcane reason (that I can’t recall) for which some people were maintaining their Match sub anyhow.

I essentially gave up on worrying about own Match library years ago — beyond noting that the tracks I choose to access are there when they come up in a playlist. I have no doubt that there’s been some corruption, but I’ve voluntarily resigned from media curation. Putting the time into my Photography (and it’s requisite library) instead.
 

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Match is included with any Apple Music subscription. But there was an arcane reason (that I can’t recall) for which some people were maintaining their Match sub anyhow.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason was that if you had the separate Match subscription, it allowed you to "launder" illegitimate tracks: Match a crappy 128kbps MP3, download a pristine 256kbps DRM-free AAC in replacement. The version of Match included with Apple Music matches DRM-encumbered tracks.

Or something like this. There was some nice little perk involving the downloaded tracks that you only got with the separate subscription.
 

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason was that if you had the separate Match subscription, it allowed you to "launder" illegitimate tracks: Match a crappy 128kbps MP3, download a pristine 256kbps DRM-free AAC in replacement. The version of Match included with Apple Music matches DRM-encumbered tracks.

Or something like this. There was some nice little perk involving the downloaded tracks that you only got with the separate subscription.
Pretty sure the Apple Music match feature allows that to, but not 100%.

I keep Match because it's $25/year and I don't do any other monthly music subscription. My library isn't well represented on streaming services, so haven't felt the need to move over.
 

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the reason was that if you had the separate Match subscription, it allowed you to "launder" illegitimate tracks: Match a crappy 128kbps MP3, download a pristine 256kbps DRM-free AAC in replacement. The version of Match included with Apple Music matches DRM-encumbered tracks.

Or something like this. There was some nice little perk involving the downloaded tracks that you only got with the separate subscription.
Yep, that’s it. WIth Match you had a backup of sorts; should your original files become lost, the entire library could be downloaded as DRM-free AAC on the same or an entirely different machine. By contrast Apple Music (sans Match) downloads are always DRM’d, whether matched from your library or otherwise.

In this age of lossless streaming and downloads it’s worth nothing that Match continues to match 256kbps AAC files. These songs are then locked into your library as AAC, and will never stream as lossless unless the matched songs are removed and (optionally) re-added to your library from the Apple Music catalog. Whether or not this matters to you is another subject entirely.
 

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I withdraw my use of the term arcane. I understand why this is important to others — but I’m reasonably convinced I’m on the streaming train for life myself.

If not, there are still boxes and boxes and boxes of physical media in storage. Most of it containing songs no longer of regular interest.
 
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As a fellow acolyte of the Church of Streaming, I too question why I keep the 3 bins of several hundred CDs in my own garage. Quite a few aren't on streaming or never will be (imports and alternate mixes and the like) but I have very little interest in listening to any of it anymore. The ripped versions carefully curated in iTunes years ago, now stored in Music.app, get just as little attention.

I can't imagine getting rid of any of it, though. Music as a window into periods of your life is funny that way, even if I have little desire to "own" the music I listen to now.