Supreme Court gives DOGE “unfettered access” to sensitive Social Security data

What do they care? They won't face any consequences. If they don't die before the next term, they'll still be effectively shielded and immune from any prosecution.

Because after all, thats how "justice" works.
This presumes a system where justice matters and a culture/society that cares that it matters.
 
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acastanza

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This is an insane ruling by a thoroughly corrupt court majority.

DOGE is NOT a lawfully created government agency, it isn't operating within any established law. It has ZERO rights to receive any privileged information and the court deciding that they have any rights to operate at all is grounds for them to be all removed from the bench for abject betrayal of their oaths to the constitution.

DOGE does NOT legally exist and the court needs to recognize that and order it dissolved NOT rubber stamp this corrupt administration's lawlessness.
 
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TheShark

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"irreparable harm to the executive branch"

The only party suffering irreparable harm is the citenzenry of the country whose personal data is being stolen. Once DOGE has hoovered out everything they can and sent it to XAI/Palantir/Russia and who the fuck knows who else it can't ever be secured again.
 
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Steve austin

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It is why Lenard Leo got involved in the Federalist Society. This has been something the right has been working on for decades. Trump was just a vessel to nominate some hand picked judges to the court.
And now that their judges are heavily ensconced, Trump is going after Leo and the Federalists because a few of his appointed judges pushed back a little. It doesn’t take much to get under his skin.
 
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Bernardo Verda

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This is an insane ruling by a thoroughly corrupt court majority.

DOGE is NOT a lawfully created government agency, it isn't operating within any established law. It has ZERO rights to receive any privileged information and the court deciding that they have any rights to operate at all is grounds for them to be all removed from the bench for abject betrayal of their oaths to the constitution.

DOGE does NOT legally exist and the court needs to recognize that and order it dissolved NOT rubber stamp this corrupt administration's lawlessness.
The 6-3 decision says it all.
There was some small hope that a couple of the 'R' justices would put law, the constitution, principles of sound jurisprudence and maybe even common sense, above other, more political considerations.
So much for that hope.

As a Canadian observer, I've started to wonder... Forget the whole impeachment thing -- can SCOTUS justices be tried for treason?
 
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The astonishing thing is, this court is so short-sighted that they don't think about what happens when the next authoritarian shows up and doesn't agree with their agenda.
Someone sues, they take the case despite established precedent, and they rule the other way?

When you've mostly given up any semblance of acting as an impartial body, this kind of thing gets a whole lot simpler.
 
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Someone sues, they take the case despite established precedent, and they rule the other way?

When you've mostly given up any semblance of acting as an impartial body, this kind of thing gets a whole lot simpler.
Yeah, this much is obvious. When they ruled on presidency immunity (that they made up entirely themselves), they left the out that it only applies to "official acts." Who decides what is an official act? They do, on a case by case basis. You didn't think they'd actually give that power to a Democrat would you?
 
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Dzov

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Someone sues, they take the case despite established precedent, and they rule the other way?

When you've mostly given up any semblance of acting as an impartial body, this kind of thing gets a whole lot simpler.
Exactly. The law doesn't really matter when you can ignore it with impunity and your captive court blocks any lawsuits that might trouble you.
 
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lightspd

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Yeah, this much is obvious. When they ruled on presidency immunity (that they made up entirely themselves), they left the out that it only applies to "official acts." Who decides what is an official act? They do, on a case by case basis. You didn't think they'd actually give that power to a Democrat would you?
What really bugs me about the majority in that case and other recent cases is the way they hand-wave away the dissent's criticism. It's like telling someone they shouldn't let their kid run with scissors, they ignore you as being all crazy and if it did happen they have a doctor, then the kid trips, hurts themselves and act all shocked like,"How was I to know that could happen.". A better example like their ruling on bribes, there needs to be an explicit Quid Pro Quo.
 
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Well, people who say Trump isn't smart at least have to admit that he had the right idea: First, take control of the judiciary.

F*ck this authoritarian sh*t though. :-(
Moving the US Supreme Court further to the right began with President George W. Bush in the 2000s. Trump is continuing that trend moving the SCOTUS to the extreme right.
 
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Jackson said the ruling "sends a troubling message" that the court will depart from its usual legal standards "for certain litigants." While other litigants seeking a stay "must point to more than the annoyance of compliance with lower court orders they don't like, the Government can approach the courtroom bar with nothing more than that and obtain relief from this Court nevertheless," Jackson wrote.
But only if a Republican is in the White House. Otherwise it's government overreach.
 
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itsafire

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Take a look into the future by comparing the emerging Palantir surveillance state to the former East German Stasi.

Loss of Private Life
DDR
: Stasi had informants in every layer of society—even among friends and family.
USA parallel: A centralized AI-driven system could reconstruct an individual's movements, communications, and associations from merged IRS, DHS, and ICE data, rendering personal privacy nearly nonexistent.

Preemptive Targeting and Profiling
DDR
: People were surveilled before committing any crimes, based on suspicion or political beliefs.
USA parallel: Predictive algorithms analyzing combined government data might tag individuals as “high risk,” leading to pre-crime style interventions without due process or oversight.

Punitive Bureaucracy
DDR
: Stasi used administrative means—like job rejections, housing denials, or travel bans—to ruin lives silently.
USA parallel: An integrated federal profile could quietly trigger visa denials, tax audits, or job blocks based on opaque criteria, especially for political activists or immigrants.

Culture of Fear and Self-Censorship
DDR
: Fear of informants drove people to suppress thoughts, avoid protests, and isolate socially.
USA parallel: Knowing your digital footprint is monitored and cross-referenced could stifle political dissent, online speech, or even private conversations.

No Path to Accountability
DDR
: Victims often never learned who spied on them or why they were targeted.
USA parallel: AI decision-making behind federal watchlists or denials could remain classified, leaving no appeal or transparency—only a sense of invisible persecution.
 
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What really bugs me about the majority in that case and other recent cases is the way they hand-wave away the dissent's criticism. It's like telling someone they shouldn't let their kid run with scissors, they ignore you as being all crazy and if it did happen they have a doctor, then the kid trips, hurts themselves and act all shocked like,"How was I to know that could happen.". A better example like their ruling on bribes, there needs to be an explicit Quid Pro Quo.
Republicans always do that. Remember when McConnell criticized Obama for apparently not vetoing a bill hard enough when the Republican congress overroad the president's veto, and entirely predictable consequences (i.e. why it was vetoed in the first place) happened?
 
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real mikeb_60

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At the very least, you should go create your online SS account. It will at least prevent someone from making one with your data. One thing that's useful about it if you're not old enough to receive benefits is, you can see how much your projected benefits will be once you get access to it. I think there's a bit more to it, like seeing what you've paid in, but it's not something I've looked at since I made the account so I could be misremembering some of it.
Long ago did that, and I'm retired so no longer adding to the pot. Yes, I do check it several times a year, and SS has been good at reminding me about it at key times. Checks area sl direct-deposited which means they have my bank account info too). Access has become a tad dodgy, though, since DOGE people fired or enticed to leave a large number of SocSec technical staff including the IT people.
 
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real mikeb_60

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At the very least, you should go create your online SS account. It will at least prevent someone from making one with your data. One thing that's useful about it if you're not old enough to receive benefits is, you can see how much your projected benefits will be once you get access to it. I think there's a bit more to it, like seeing what you've paid in, but it's not something I've looked at since I made the account so I could be misremembering some of it.
Note that the SocSec login process has changed in the last few months. You can't log in directly to Social Security with your old password any more. You have to generate login.gov credentials now to get access. Last time I logged in, I got one last login the Old Way, the was redirected to login.gov to do the work. Luckily, I had an old account there from years back when dealing with IRS over something, so I didn't have to start from scratch; doing it from a cold start is tricky and annoying, and requires a credit check in some cases.
 
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RZetopan

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Ah but can the ketamine drive, fully by itself?
Yes, but it also crashes a LOT.
"Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) system has been involved in numerous crashes, with reports indicating at least 54 fatalities linked to its use. Despite updates and recalls, accidents continue to occur, raising concerns about the safety of the technology." Teslavangelists will always disagree.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterl...las-full-self-driving-exposed-in-crash-video/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg4UJxEK_Fg

etc...
 
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RZetopan

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Any relation to the Vought of the (in)famous Vought-Kampff test?
No, it's far more serious than that: He is "a self-described Christian nationalist, Vought is the founder of the Center for Renewing America, an organization that opposes critical race theory and advocates for the idea of America as a 'nation under God'". So, an idiot fanatical creationist.
 
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1. "War is Peace"
2. "Freedom is Slavery"
3. "Ignorance is Strength"
4. "Orwell is turning in his grave like a rotisserie chicken"
Orwell (Eric Blair) was an Old Etonian. His thinking on the subject of authoritarian tyranny is a bit muddled partly because (like Adam Smith or Voltaire) he couldn't imagine how capitalism would evolve and partly because, at bottom, and despite claiming to be a socialist, he was very suspicious of socialism.
Like Marx who thought communism would come first to advanced countries, not backward ones like Russia or China, Blair got it wrong about which developed country would first come to be ruled by propaganda after WW2.
 
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SplatMan_DK

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Man, if only "didn't vote" had done their civic duty and turned out.
Even if it could have somehow saved things, that particular minority can't bear the responsibility for the entire shitshow.

The problem is the roughly half of total voters that allowed themselves to be duped by the neo-fascists, and the Murdoch empire which largely enabled it.
 
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Xyler

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In other news, scientist have found a nearly unlimited supply of energy. They tapped into the rotating graves of the Founding Fathers of the US, and are now producing energy in the gigawatt range. They believe the other rotating caskets of the likes of the millions of soldiers who died fighting for American freedom can power the entirety of the US by 2028
 
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Wheels Of Confusion

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This is conservatism. Conservatives believe in enforcing hierarchy, no matter what it takes to do that.
Unless they're not at the top.

What they actually believe is there are those the law binds but does not protect, and those the law protects but does not bind.
 
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Cherlindrea

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Well, people who say Trump isn't smart at least have to admit that he had the right idea: First, take control of the judiciary.

F*ck this authoritarian sh*t though. :-(
In fairness, you're giving Trump the credit where the credit is not due. Republicans have been trying to (and succeeding at) stack the SCOTUS for roughly 50+ years now. Mitch McConnell is the one that actually got this working by illegally blocking Merrick Garland's nomination under Obama. McConnell specifically set up this chain of events to land this court. Trump is not and has not been smart enough to do it. McConnell has and did. Trump can only be credited for finding just the worst of the worst of nominations for McConnell to ram through.

But it's abundantly clear by now that Trump has no problem whatsoever finding the worst of the worst of all alleged human beings.
 
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