Supreme Court Chief Justice lets Trump fire FTC Democrat, at least for now

When their guy lost, they attempted a coup. When our guy lost, we bitched on the internet and obtained a drinking habit.
With a nod to "Casino":

The Republicans' methods weren't scientific, but they worked. When they won, they collected. When they lost, they told the Democrats to go fuck themselves.
 
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Fun fact for everybody: Nazi Germany had a constitution and a Supreme Court too, as most contemporary autocratic systems do.
It's not really a modern thing. The usual way for tyrants to come to power in ancient Greece? They'd put cronies in all the government positions to rubber stamp their whims. The trappings of democracy without the reality of it (because they'd just use violence to get the election results they wanted, etc).

It has literally always worked this way. The Roman emperors? Lots of granting themselves all the official positions as the basis for their authority, etc. (at least at first).
 
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Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the new order of things here in the US.

Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"

“A republic, if you can keep it.”

Clearly, we did not keep it, and now have a monarchy. King George would have been thrilled.
 
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Sasparilla

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If we get to the other side of this administration (thinking there's a 0% chance Trump willingly leaves after his 2nd term ends) - then the current supreme court is going to be a problem - they'll likely need to be thrown out (and they'll be lucky if it's only that which is demanded), since they'll look like enablers if not active participants on the regime's team.
 
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Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the new order of things here in the US.

Benjamin Franklin's response to Elizabeth Willing Powel's question: "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"

“A republic, if you can keep it.”

Clearly, we did not keep it, and now have a monarchy. King George would have been thrilled.
Don, Jr seems the best fit for the next king, but will Eric and other one stand for that?
 
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If we get to the other side of this administration (thinking there's a 0% chance Trump willingly leaves after his 2nd term ends) - then the current supreme court is going to be a problem - they'll likely need to be thrown out (and they'll be lucky if it's only that which is demanded), since they'll look like enablers if not active participants on the regime's team.
They'll need to be rendered irrelevant or they'll just overturn every effort to fix this anyways. Add a hundred new justices, strip the court of its authority, declare all cases of the Roberts court void and to have no precedential value... There's a lot of ways to fix it via Congress's Article III authority, which is easier than the impeachment solution.

If memory serves, in the entire history of the US, only a single federal judge has ever actually been impeached and convicted. Obviously, there are far more corrupt and criminal judges in the country's history than that, it just shows how utterly useless impeachment is.
 
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The Supreme Court is basically doing his bidding. This is not a democracy anymore, its a theocratic dictatorship.
It's not a theocratic dictatorship. It's a coalition dictatorship supported by theocrats, racists, Moldbuggers, kleptocrats, and essentially unprincipled, inchoately reactionary morons. Those categories overlap quite a bit, but not completely, and calling it theocratic sells short its rich, fudgy texture.
 
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It's not a theocratic dictatorship. It's a coalition dictatorship supported by theocrats, racists, Moldbuggers,
kleptocrats, and essentially unprincipled, inchoately reactionary morons. Those categories overlap quite a bit, but not completely, and calling it theocratic sells short its rich, fudgy texture.
It still tastes like shit to me, I dont care about its mouthfeel if it does or doesnt have corn in it
 
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If the day comes when we finally start deconstructing all of the rewriting of law SCotUS has done over the past 25 years (and more over the past 5), the right will decry it and say that laws need to be consistent and past caselaw upheld.
Considering what it would take to get there? Dead men don't object.

The procedures and traditions of the old democracy are used as a veneer to disguise the new authoritarianism. American democracy now exists in a state of superposition, like Schrodinger's Cat it, is simultaneously dead and alive.
The United States of America, Third Founding, the country we ostensibly lived in up until a little while ago? Dead and gone. The coup that supplanted it is currently traipsing around in the tattered remains of its skin, growing more moldering and decayed by the day.

Call it the United States of America all you want, there is no continuity of state. It's something else now.

The lower courts should stop bothering to follow supreme court "precedent" to any higher degree than scotus itself does.
The DC circuit ruling is a thrown gauntlet on exactly that. The unspoken portion of, "The government has no likelihood of success on appeal given controlling and directly on point Supreme Court precedent," is, "...unless they're a pack of lawless lickspittles willing to throw out any and every instance of precedent to serve their partisan ideology, and do it openly and shamelessly." A marker is laid in the most stark of terms -- there's exactly one way to factually rule on this case.

SCOTUS could've ducked this; they had no reason to chime in except to embarrass themselves and tarnish their institution further. But as has repeatedly been said, the right has no intent of ever giving up power.
 
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I do think, due to its nature, it is usually less of a threat to US liberties than the Presidency.
Its current failure state producing an inability to exert primacy and check a despotic executive is the threat, above all others.

Give them their due, though: when the paymasters jerk the leash, Congress is quick to jump straight to "do downright unconstitutional shit that threatens civil liberties". TikTok ban, anyone?
 
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There really needs to be a vast coalition of judge's from every level (including ESPECIALLY the few on the SCOTUS who aren't corrupt) to come together and begin complaining very loudly non-stop that SCOTUS is a corrupted entity that is not following the Constitution.

Some of the liberals on the court have hinted at it. That's not going to work. Call out the traitors to democracy. And call them that. Make them defend their actions. If you aren't willing to fight for this democracy then these fascists are going to take it. We need people in positions of authority to push back loudly.
 
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Right, if they were simply dumb then they wouldn't have been able to so thoroughly and completely gain control of the entire federal government over the course of decades. If that is dumb, what the hell is the opposition?

We're dealing with people who have come to the fundamental truth that politics really is just the will to power, and words on paper will not save you from them.
There is a word for it.

Mendacious / Mendacity.

And, lawyers have epitomized mendacity since lawyering became a thing. That's why ordinary people can't stand lawyers, by and large. Orange clown is just enabling their worst traits.
 
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Just like there can't be a DUI stop on every corner, there cant be ICE agents covering the entire city, so no, half of the people living there aren't affected. If a DUI stop collects 99% innocent people, than ICE stops under reasonable suspicion that net only 50% innocent would seem to be a lot less intrusive. If the percentage rose reasonably high than that would be evidence of lack of reasonable suspicion for the detentions. They obviously aren't just stopping any brown person, or it would be high.

Everyone is free to not cooperate or give their name and assert their 5th amendment rights. If a reasonable period of detainment turns into an arrest for doing so they should look forward to a nice fat settlement check down the road.
Putting it in small words so you will have no excuse.
ICE targetting brown people affects brown people only. THAT'S RACISM! I'm white. I can flip off ICE with no fear. I know plenty of brown people from Africa and Latin America, all with proper legal status.THEY ARE SCARED!

SO FUCK OFF WITH YOUR FALSE EQUIVALENCY DRECK!

Oops used a 5 syllable word.

And I have absolutely no patience with fascist fucks trying to justify the ICE brown shirts because I know too many good people, all with proper documents, whose skin happens to be brown being terrorized by this. My wife, who is a preschool teacher, just told me this afternoon that her school has implemented procedures to bring kids inside when word is out that ICE is in the neighborhood. And all of these kids come from families with proper legal status. So I will give you one guess where you can put your fascist cant.
 
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The Republican party of pedophiles is doing irreparable harm to the US and 1/3rd of voters are cheering it.

Everyone tried to warn them, but their reply was...checks notes..."Fuck your feelings".

I sincerely hope every Republican voter suffers.. and suffers bigly.
That will likely happen to most. Unfortunately, suffering is hardly ever that specific and selective.
 
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The Supreme Court is basically doing his bidding. This is not a democracy anymore, it’s a theocratic dictatorship.
Trump’s dictatorship began the first day he became President. Trump said he would act like a dictator if he was elected.
Once elected, Trump has intimidated any Republican in Congress who verbally opposed him. By extension Trump and his supporters have influenced the Supreme Court.
The Republicans control all 3 branches of the Federal government and Trump controls the Republican Party.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/dec/07/donald-trump-was-asked-if-he-will-be-a-dictator-if/
 
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Its been a long-term plan by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, a far-right extremist organization not dissimilar to the Vatican at the time which collaborated with the Nazis all those years ago, to place their puppets into our courts so they can rule by fiat. Currently the six far-right priests on the court swear allegiance to this organization.

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It is not accidental that the majority of US religionists voted to put Mango Mussolini back into the White House.

White Evangelical Protestant: 81%
Hispanic Protestant: 63% (even after all his Hispanic attacks!)
White Catholic: 60%
White non-Evangelical Protestant: 57%
All the remaining ones are under 50%, but none are anywhere near zero.

https://prri.org/spotlight/religion-and-the-2024-presidential-election/
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...s-in-other-us-religious-groups-prefer-harris/
 
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Roberts is a rich white guy in a hell that inherently and structurally benefits exactly that kind of person. He'll be fucking dandy in the future he's created, that's why he helped create it!
In a just universe, he’d be reincarnated as a trans illegal alien and forced to endure all the hate he’s put people through.
 
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HA! I just attempted my first AI-generated picture with OpenAI. The prompt was "Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts standing next to Senator Mitch McConnell standing next to Donald Trump with a banner across the bottom of the picture saying 'Fathers of American Fascism'".

It returned "content unavailable" to that. Wondering which of the keywords was the killing blow. . .

Anyway, there we have it. Three leaders of the three branches of the government all coordinated and abetting each other in the fall of America into authoritarianism. I hope that the anti-fascists are the victors of this battle so that the history books can record those three as the vile, murderous assholes that they are.
 
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What even is the point of a Supreme Court if it just rubber-stamps everything their Dear Leader does?
The point now is to do exactly that, it seems. They have ruled that he is above the law, and they are now ruling that he can do whatever he wants until the court has a chance to rubber stamp it.
 
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It's already legal to be forcibly detained at an inland border checkpoint or a DUI checkpoint. And those trap a much higher percentage of innocent people than ICE is in their stops. Zero probable cause at all, they catch every vehicle.
Those are very different scenario. Border checkpoints are controls on entry to the United States. DUI checkpoints are a little closer, but even then target drivers passing thru them, and don't count as detainment as you aren't compelled to produce I.D. (they still suck though).

Today the Supreme Court said that I.C.E. may detain anyone, for any reason. Let me repeat that; anyone, for any reason at all. Federal agents, who are essentially answerable to no one, not even local law enforcement, may detain you at any time, with no justification, and no probable cause. Just because.
 
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Just like there can't be a DUI stop on every corner, there cant be ICE agents covering the entire city, so no, half of the people living there aren't affected. If a DUI stop collects 99% innocent people, than ICE stops under reasonable suspicion that net only 50% innocent would seem to be a lot less intrusive. If the percentage rose reasonably high than that would be evidence of lack of reasonable suspicion for the detentions. They obviously aren't just stopping any brown person, or it would be high.

Everyone is free to not cooperate or give their name and assert their 5th amendment rights. If a reasonable period of detainment turns into an arrest for doing so they should look forward to a nice fat settlement check down the road.

Must be nice, to be so credulous.

My aunt is Mexican. Her family has been living in "Texas" since before Texas was a thing. She's 75. She's been stopped by LEOs three times since Trump was elected. That's more times than in the previous 74 years combined.

And you're okay with it. That brown people have to carry their documentation everywhere they go. I don't feel the need to get my passport to go to the grocery store. "Papers please" is Nazi Germany level shit.

Seriously, you're so credulous it's painful.
 
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If Democrats ever win back the House, they need to demonstrate to the other branches of government, Congress authority over the purse by not paying the electric bill for the White House and the High Court.

If the court complains about it, Congress can suggest that justice Thomas pull up his motorhome and generator and use that.
 
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