Russia’s console game market no longer exists

50me12

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Not that I think it is right, but if a F2P company has a LOT of players in Russia, I suspect they take the hit due to the ruble's value and roll on. Keeping players / monitoring player churn is such a big deal for F2P that the ruble is probably not a huge concern sort term.

Not saying it is right but I think that's how they'd play it.
 
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"So, now that we've been cut off from all other platforms, what games do we have left to play on this old NORAD computer we had shipped decades ago? What is it called...'WOPR'? What's that?"
"Couldn't say. But according to the computer, we have two available to us."
"Which ones?"
"Well, there's Tic-Tac-Toe..."
"...really? Well, that's pointless. What else do we have?"
"Well, something called Global Thermonuclear War."
"Global Thermonuclear War?"
"Apparently, yes."
"All right. Kind of like the old Missile Command? Sure. Lock the doors, let's fire it up and take a short break, eh?"
 
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"So, now that we've been cut off from all other platforms, what games do we have left to play on this old NORAD computer we have shipped decades ago? What is it called...'WOPR'? What's that?"
"Couldn't say. But according to the computer, we have two available to us."
"Which ones?"
"Well, there's Tic-Tac-Toe..."
"...really? Well, that's pointless. Whatelse do we have?"
"Well, something called Global Thermonuclear War."
"Global Thermonuclear War?"
"Apparently, yes."
"All right. Kind of like the old Missile Command? Sure. Lock the doors, let's fire it up and take a short break, eh?"

You know that some Hollywood executive somewhere is already furiously trying to find a way to do a remake of War Games based around the current conflict.

Because, you know, new ideas don’t exist anymore.
 
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So, can I get a PS5 now?

Let me tell you about the great Neon shortage of 2022. Who's got two thumbs and makes 50% of the world's Neon supply. Ukraine.

They can recycle neon in chip making, but it would involve shutting down the FABs to reengineer. Though my understanding is TSMC already does or has some sort of stockpile. But a lot of other chip makers do not.
 
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So, can I get a PS5 now?

Probably you don´t, since there are multiple factors that are inciding over the chip supply issues that aren´t cannot be solved in the short-mid term windows.

My advice, keep good care of your old consoles, especially PS4, One, since new games are still coming out to those consoles, due the above situation, you can still experience new games nontheless, even if with less bells and whistles, performance wise.
 
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So, can I get a PS5 now?

Let me tell you about the great Neon shortage of 2022. Who's got two thumbs and makes 50% of the world's Neon supply. Ukraine.

They can recycle neon in chip making, but it would involve shutting down the FABs to reengineer. Though my understanding is TSMC already does or has some sort of stockpile. But a lot of other chip makers do not.

Not only that, but we simply don't have enough capacity to meet demand.
By 2024, things should get better, but it's pretty clear that getting new cutting edge nodes online is just going to get harder and harder as we reach 1nm... and after that?
Well, let's just hope an AGI can bail us out by leveraging multiple advancements at the same time, because that's the only way we can hope to stay on an exponential trend.
 
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So, can I get a PS5 now?

Let me tell you about the great Neon shortage of 2022. Who's got two thumbs and makes 50% of the world's Neon supply. Ukraine.

They can recycle neon in chip making, but it would involve shutting down the FABs to reengineer. Though my understanding is TSMC already does or has some sort of stockpile. But a lot of other chip makers do not.

Luckily neon is obtained from the air, using air separation plants, so it is less worrisome than a resource that can only be mined from specific ores. I am sure Air Liquide and others are looking at the potential business opportunity here.
 
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So, can I get a PS5 now?

Let me tell you about the great Neon shortage of 2022. Who's got two thumbs and makes 50% of the world's Neon supply. Ukraine.

They can recycle neon in chip making, but it would involve shutting down the FABs to reengineer. Though my understanding is TSMC already does or has some sort of stockpile. But a lot of other chip makers do not.

This is absolutely valid and not a point that is irrelevant or that should be ignored.

I would just like to be certain that in everyones mind they are also aware that complaining about supply chain disruption and future scarcity of consoles etc is less important than the fact that, for example, Ukrainian maternity wards are as we speak being deliberately targeted by Russian shells and missiles.
 
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"So, now that we've been cut off from all other platforms, what games do we have left to play on this old NORAD computer we have shipped decades ago? What is it called...'WOPR'? What's that?"
"Couldn't say. But according to the computer, we have two available to us."
"Which ones?"
"Well, there's Tic-Tac-Toe..."
"...really? Well, that's pointless. Whatelse do we have?"
"Well, something called Global Thermonuclear War."
"Global Thermonuclear War?"
"Apparently, yes."
"All right. Kind of like the old Missile Command? Sure. Lock the doors, let's fire it up and take a short break, eh?"[/quote

You know that some Hollywood executive somewhere is already furiously trying to find a way to do a remake of War Games based around the current conflict.

Because, you know, new ideas don’t exist anymore.
However I think the sequel to world war z script is being shredded.
 
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Spuzzell

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rather than halting business in russia why don't companies just donate their profits from russia to foundations to support the ukranians or use their platforms to inform russians about what is actually happening, for instance, every iPhone operating in russia should have a banner ad or something linking to real news, etc..

just a thought, i'm not sure if that would be a more effective strategy...

The point of sanctions is to persuade the nation being sanctioned to stop murdering their neighbours.
 
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This is a kleptocracy that sees truth as a form of battle, has fondness for brutality and terror and shield's itself for retaliation with nuclear weapons. All the claims that the Russian people are not to blame are false. They rewarded Putin for Grozny, Georgia and Crimea. They want their empire back. The western world needs to wake up, and make sure these people(Russians) never see the developed world ever again. Not only should we disable their internet, but make sure they don't get access to any type of electronics, and close their economy from the rest of the world.

The idea that cutting the internet is going to prevent them from learning the truth is silly. They have had internet all this time. They don't care about the truth.
 
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Hispalensis

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Now imagine if a country with the economic sway of China waged a similar war. All three would be apologizing at the mere suggestion they might do the same.

That's, in a nutshell, why Russia's strategy does not make sense. The only thing for them is their nuclear warheads, and even in that case is guaranteed suicide.
 
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That's OK, they still have the original Russian console.

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Albino_Boo

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rather than halting business in russia why don't companies just donate their profits from russia to foundations to support the ukranians or use their platforms to inform russians about what is actually happening, for instance, every iPhone operating in russia should have a banner ad or something linking to real news, etc..

just a thought, i'm not sure if that would be a more effective strategy...
Doing business in Russia means paying taxes to the Russian government. You would be effectively buying shells to be fired at Ukrainian cities.
 
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Now imagine if a country with the economic sway of China waged a similar war. All three would be apologizing at the mere suggestion they might do the same.

That's, in a nutshell, why Russia's strategy does not make sense. The only thing for them is their nuclear warheads, and even in that case is guaranteed suicide.

The problem with nuclear warheads, is that outside their capacity to take out cities... they're pretty fucking useless.

They are not a useful tool for invading other countries with the intent to overthrow their government.
 
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rather than halting business in russia why don't companies just donate their profits from russia to foundations to support the ukranians or use their platforms to inform russians about what is actually happening, for instance, every iPhone operating in russia should have a banner ad or something linking to real news, etc..

just a thought, i'm not sure if that would be a more effective strategy...

not wanting to put employees at risk would be a certainty here. Nobody wants to go to jail for this in Russia and they would have employees there, which i presume are being relocated somewhere else if they shut down operations
 
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ManuOtaku

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Now imagine if a country with the economic sway of China waged a similar war. All three would be apologizing at the mere suggestion they might do the same.

If I don´t recall incorrectly, consoles have been banned in the past, from quite some time in China, and console makers have handled that ok, to the point of still being in the business, they know how to survive quite well without China.
 
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rather than halting business in russia why don't companies just donate their profits from russia to foundations to support the ukranians or use their platforms to inform russians about what is actually happening, for instance, every iPhone operating in russia should have a banner ad or something linking to real news, etc..

just a thought, i'm not sure if that would be a more effective strategy...
A) Sanctions (though perhaps not applicable to gaming)
B) Payment processing: Can't donate money you can't get.
C) Pissing people off via restricting goods they (might?) want tends to work better to effect change versus shoving information in their face. (They'll get pissed off at the later for a different reason...)
 
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Nice to see companies united sending a needed message in these turbulent times.

Something I thought almost impossible considering how materialism-comsuption drives our system-society from quite sometime, and companies tend to normally care about just profits.

"Apple has yet to officially follow suit with the iOS App Store...."
 
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This is a kleptocracy that sees truth as a form of battle, has fondness for brutality and terror and shield's itself for retaliation with nuclear weapons. All the claims that the Russian people are not to blame are false. They rewarded Putin for Grozny, Georgia and Crimea. They want their empire back. The western world needs to wake up, and make sure these people(Russians) never see the developed world ever again. Not only should we disable their internet, but make sure they don't get access to any type of electronics, and close their economy from the rest of the world.

The idea that cutting the internet is going to prevent them from learning the truth is silly. They have had internet all this time. They don't care about the truth.
Y'know, CNN yesterday had a video story interviewing a Ukrainian man who tried to talk to his father in Russia. His father wouldn't believe him that Russian military forces were bombing him, and that he'd at least once had to take his son to a shelter against the bombing.

I don't think it's as simple as blaming or not blaming the Russian people. I think there's blame for them to shoulder, sure, but that doesn't alter what Putin is, nor the power that he wields thanks to the dictatorship that he's built up around himself.

If anything, that CNN story is a very troubling analogy to what's going on here in the USA.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/09/russia-propaganda-ukraine-war-vladimir-putin-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/russia-ukraine-military-conflict/
 
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I think it's somewhat premature to call the Russian console market dead. I was surprised to learn that these devices are available for purchase in Iran through "alternative" means. I can imagine some enterprising reseller buying them at retail (probably in China) to sell across the border. Capitalism finds a way...
 
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They don't seem to mention pulling services for already existing hardware and software. Will Sony, Nintendo and Xbox still be providing online play and patches for existing games?

It doesn't seem all that terrible if all your games still work. It seems like they could have pulled all services and made their console offline boxes only in Russia.
 
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So, can I get a PS5 now?

Let me tell you about the great Neon shortage of 2022. Who's got two thumbs and makes 50% of the world's Neon supply. Ukraine.

They can recycle neon in chip making, but it would involve shutting down the FABs to reengineer. Though my understanding is TSMC already does or has some sort of stockpile. But a lot of other chip makers do not.

This is absolutely valid and not a point that is irrelevant or that should be ignored.

I would just like to be certain that in everyones mind they are also aware that complaining about supply chain disruption and future scarcity of consoles etc is less important than the fact that, for example, Ukrainian maternity wards are as we speak being deliberately targeted by Russian shells and missiles.
I'd like to think everyone's aware of that.

Supply chain disruption is about more than just "I can't get my PS5." You get scenarios like: Russian military action causes economic sanctions against Russia, which causes shortages of Russian-supplied raw materials, which causes production shutdowns at a fab in Taiwan, which causes those fab workers to be laid off, which causes a fair proportion of a city's workforce to miss rent, which causes a real-estate company to report a loss, which causes the pension funds that own the real-estate company to revise their projections, which causes a factory in Illinois to either increase its workers pension contributions or cut their benefits, which means some of them can't afford to replace old cars now, which means a 2007 F-150 stays on the road instead of being replaced by an EV, which means climate change is accelerated slightly and an EV plant retooling that's supposed to create 1000 jobs gets delayed....

At some point fairly early in that chain, direct causal effects become difficult or impossible to prove. But you can run thousands and thousands of such cascading-effects scenarios. And you always end up at more or less the same conclusion: For every person who gets shot or bombed in a war, you have several more people who lose some aspect of their livelihood, and for each of them, you have negative impacts on several more people, and so on. Almost everybody loses in some way.

Well, except maybe the ammunition factories and arms dealers, but we'll leave them for another day.....
 
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ManuOtaku

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I think it's somewhat premature to call the Russian console market dead. I was surprised to learn that these devices are available for purchase in Iran through "alternative" means. I can imagine some enterprising reseller buying them at retail (probably in China) to sell across the border. Capitalism finds a way...

Not saying is the same situation here in Venezuela, but you can find PS5 at $2,000 in stores, quite easily. I grant those have to came from various channels, even international scalpers.

For the record, I ´m not planning in paying that, waiting for drop in prices in the future or that my savings reach those levels (which I doubt at the moment) due Venezuelan current circumstances.
 
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Now imagine if a country with the economic sway of China waged a similar war. All three would be apologizing at the mere suggestion they might do the same.

That's, in a nutshell, why Russia's strategy does not make sense. The only thing for them is their nuclear warheads, and even in that case is guaranteed suicide.

The problem with nuclear warheads, is that outside their capacity to take out cities... they're pretty fucking useless.

They are not a useful tool for invading other countries with the intent to overthrow their government.

We had plans to use them to blunt Russian armor pouring into Europe although it seems that in hindsight Russian armor has a tendency to blunt itself through poor equipment, laughable training, and no maintenance.

If fact our European allies understandable concern that our strategy to save Europe involved nuking Europe is what lead to the development of among other things the A-10 and the Javelin missile.
 
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