Rocket launch marks big step in building China’s lunar infrastructure

Queqiao-2 will relay data between Earth and Chinese spacecraft on the far side of the Moon.

See full article...

 

[FreeRangeOrganicSoyLatteCappuccino]

Better relations with China are neither possible or desirable without regime change.

Fuck the Chinese government.

Given the dismal track record of regime change brought about by Western intervention, pretty sure the Chinese people have similar sentiments towards the US regime.

 

[FreeRangeOrganicSoyLatteCappuccino]

Who is looking for an "offramp"??? I certainly have no desire to improve relations and nobody in either political party is falling all over themselves to keep playing China's game.

I'm sure plenty of people think poor relations between the two superpowers is a bad thing. I do not. You don't have to take a political position to chide me, so sob and wail away. Maybe Pooh will give you a medal.

Maybe China is willing to play nice, maybe not. But if you treat China as the enemy, they will act like the enemy.

It's the oldest political ploy in the world. Need to distract the population from all the unsolved domestic issues? "Hey, but what about those fuckers in China/USA/Russia?"

 

[FreeRangeOrganicSoyLatteCappuccino]

Given the rhetoric flying around, China is using that ploy at least as much as anybody else.

The "who should play nice first" question is just another case of the prisoner's dilemma, no? And we're back at diplomacy as it's been played for longer than we care to document.

Read up on the "Thucydides's Trap"

This scenario between a rising China and a declining USA is hardly new to human history.

 

[FreeRangeOrganicSoyLatteCappuccino]

I know this is a rocket thread, but... For real? Treating Russia as an enemy is a ploy of our western politicians? Go watch "20 days in Mariupol" and tell me again.
And as for China they are clearly politically, rhetorically economically and to some extent militarily supporting Russia. Appeasement is not the way. Peace comes when the west is able to secure itself and deter violent actions by Russia and China. Not by bowing to Putin and Xi.

Not going to defend Russia. But look up how many civilians were killed in Iraq, and compare that to Ukraine.

Then look up how many wars been started by China, and how many civilians have been killed by China in the past 40 years. China may have killed lots of its own people (hard to say for sure, as I am bathed in Western propaganda). But deaths due to international interventions by China? Not so much.

And if you are going to blame China for supporting Russia, do you similarly condemn India (a purported US ally) and Turkiye (a freaking NATO member). Heck, as of 2023, the EU was still purchasing some $18.4 Billion of Russian fossil fuels.

The real world is a lot messier than the propaganda that our media delivers.