Robotaxis burn in Los Angeles in backlash to immigration raids
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Coverage terms would be fascinating to see. Swiss Re is a reinsurer, and if you know they are involved you probably know what that means. I suspect Starr just manages the claims for them, that Waymo is effectively self-insured, with Starr handling the claims transactions, and Swiss Re kicking in at some high threshold either per claim or aggregate (or both).
This would be a very common approach for companies of a reasonable size.
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Winning a democratic election doesn't give you the authority to just do whatever you want.
There are limits on the authority of elected officials in every democratic governing system, because if you get rid of them you also give elected officials the ability to get rid of democracy.
If a President or Prime Minister ran on removing their country's constitution, and then did it without a legal mechanism, should it be regarded as democratic rather than a coup?
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Looks like the trump regime are sending in the military now to beat the citizens for not respecting his gestapo.
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Not sure that's meaningful without seeing the questions in full. There's a big difference between, "Do you believe it is legal for federal agents to arrest criminals they apprehend in your neighborhood?" and, "Do you believe it's okay for masked officers who refuse to identify themselves to kidnap people in violation of valid court orders?"
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The Entire World is to be referred to as the Great Sphere of America, beginning immediately.
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This is your until-it-finally-sinks-in reminder: direct action is a perfectly legitimate form of resistance. It is not violence. Violence is a non-consensual physical act perpetrated against persons. Property isn't people. Unlike mouth-shouty sign-wavy in the appropriate designated faraway Free Speech Zonetm, it can only be ignored at a cost, and not for long.
The bully boys exist to perpetuate the status quo, with their chief purpose being the preservation of property rights. While combustively expropriating state tools would be optimal, general asset denial exhibits impotence on the part of the state. It degrades respect for the institution and its right to primacy, renders it unfit to perform its true core task. It also tends to trigger state violence, which further erodes its validity in the eyes of the populace. The level to which you've been taught to abhor and delegitimize direct action* should tell you volumes about how feared it is as a tool. If you've burned an extra calorie, typed an extra character, spent a femtosecond longer in concern over a trillion dollar international megacorp's car than you did the US citizens being renditioned to a concentration camp while the empowered goons sneer and spit on due process? You have had your humanity worn away to a degree, and you have been made less for it.
*If you read what I've written previously, you've seen this half-joke before: two young fish are swimming along, killing time, when they come across an old fish swimming in the other direction. The old fish greets them, "How's the water, boys?" and keeps on swimming. After he's passed, one young fish turns to the other and says, "...the fuck is a 'water'?"
You - for damn near every value of "you" capable of reading this - are a young fish, surrounded by something that is so pervasive you may not even conceive it exists. Property law, the concept of owning and the rightness of the way we order it, is so ingrained that most people value property and property right over (other) people whether they'll say it out loud or not. As we've seen here, plenty are more than willing to shout it. So why were you trained this way? It's outright tautological that those that benefit most from this are those who have the most, those who regularly trade people for stuff. Question this core assumption, all of neoliberal capitalism - all of modernity - starts falling away.
The bully boys exist to perpetuate the status quo, with their chief purpose being the preservation of property rights. While combustively expropriating state tools would be optimal, general asset denial exhibits impotence on the part of the state. It degrades respect for the institution and its right to primacy, renders it unfit to perform its true core task. It also tends to trigger state violence, which further erodes its validity in the eyes of the populace. The level to which you've been taught to abhor and delegitimize direct action* should tell you volumes about how feared it is as a tool. If you've burned an extra calorie, typed an extra character, spent a femtosecond longer in concern over a trillion dollar international megacorp's car than you did the US citizens being renditioned to a concentration camp while the empowered goons sneer and spit on due process? You have had your humanity worn away to a degree, and you have been made less for it.
You didn't finish your reading. She also found a correlation between what she classifies as a "violent" uprising and both an increase in public support for the associated "peaceful" position, as well as the likelihood that the "peaceful" position attains its goals. In short, when actual honest-to-no-gods Black Bloc shows up, creates positive business growth opportunities for glaziers, and threatens to burn your town down unless you permanently cap oil wells, suddenly both the government and general populace think that a carbon tax is quite reasonable and worth exploring in detail.
*If you read what I've written previously, you've seen this half-joke before: two young fish are swimming along, killing time, when they come across an old fish swimming in the other direction. The old fish greets them, "How's the water, boys?" and keeps on swimming. After he's passed, one young fish turns to the other and says, "...the fuck is a 'water'?"
You - for damn near every value of "you" capable of reading this - are a young fish, surrounded by something that is so pervasive you may not even conceive it exists. Property law, the concept of owning and the rightness of the way we order it, is so ingrained that most people value property and property right over (other) people whether they'll say it out loud or not. As we've seen here, plenty are more than willing to shout it. So why were you trained this way? It's outright tautological that those that benefit most from this are those who have the most, those who regularly trade people for stuff. Question this core assumption, all of neoliberal capitalism - all of modernity - starts falling away.
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Save your time and energy. He's a bad actor and is completely and thoroughly incapable of logical/rational thought. To answer your question, though: yes, that's absolutely a coup and it's what this country is barreling towards.
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It turns out that this has happened before, during school integration. When the Feds need to enforce civil rights without the governor's support, they either federalize the state's Guard or send in other forces. So, I'm not sure taking control of the Guard is the best approach when this happens, but it probably beats the alternative. And there is legal precedent, which probably explains why Newsom is suing, rather than ordering the Guard to stand down.
Note that I am not equating these circumstances with today's.
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You’re moving goalposts. Your example was tried and convicted. Most of those sent to El Salvador, for example, have not been.
They sent a hairdresser for fuck’s sake who had a tattoo of mom and dad. Nobody has heard from him since. Do you find him unsympathetic? Or just brown people in general?
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The question isn't whether trump needs an excuse to do any of the moronic things he does, since all it takes is a few followers stupid or gullible or otherwise motivated enough to do what he asks.
The question is how the general population will react to it, and what it costs in the long term. Trump still needs support, in general, at least by the judicative and legislative branches, who ultimately interpret or make the law. For now the USians elected enough trump followers to the legislative for him to get basically free reign, but that can change. And while the judges probably won't fear for their job in the same way, I think they still want to keep their power, which is rooted in the enforcement of the law, so they at least have to have the pretext to interpret it.
Just look at the recent case of the abduction of that guy by the US government to some torture camp in south america, which was not popular, and they had to get him back. And now they're trying to find new excuses to pretend they were right. To keep the general population on their side, to some degree.
So, the difference between a violent and a peaceful protest is public perception. It is likely a factor in whether trump will chicken out again, or whether he gets away with it.
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Here's a free archive of that turd of a WSJ article, for those who'd like to read it as well as those who still believe anything News Corp says.
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You put your finger on something for me with this, so I pulled it out to focus on it. Traditional conservatives seek to preserve property rights. It is the "bully boy" version that demand to extend property rights in a manner that affect the rights of others, and extend perceptions of property to include behavioral expectations on women and minorities.
I got no beef with reasonable, well-defined property rights that respect externalized impacts on society and others. I guess that's too much to ask self-learned rugged individualists to get their besotted noodles around, though.
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So? Since when is a felony enough to not elect someone as president of the united states?
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And threatening to arrest the governor and mayor.
And wanting to shoot them. And now calling in the marines.
And trying to use bogus charges.
And... All the other stuff he has already been doing.
This is just the latest action in the fascist playbook that he has taken .
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Can someone explain to me the issue with the Waymo footage in general ?
If police Subpoena someone's ring camera footage or a Gas stations CCTV footage to investigate a crime or someone's dash cam footage in a hit and run then it is ok?
but if they Subpoena Waymo footage to investigate a crime then that is not OK?
or is it that Waymo has become portable CCTV cameras that they have a live feed to?
If police Subpoena someone's ring camera footage or a Gas stations CCTV footage to investigate a crime or someone's dash cam footage in a hit and run then it is ok?
but if they Subpoena Waymo footage to investigate a crime then that is not OK?
or is it that Waymo has become portable CCTV cameras that they have a live feed to?
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I understand where you are coming from but significant progress has been made in America through largely peaceful protests.
I am not overlooking reality, rather I look to those like MLK for guidance in situations like this. He was an advocate for peaceful protests. He acknowledged that riots would happen through rage and frustration at the oppressors coupled with the slowness of change, but he did not call for violent protests. Similarly, I acknowledge the reality that violence will occur in these situations.
The power of peaceful protests is real and we are doing a horrible disservice to all who participated in peaceful protests on issues like civil rights, gay rights, and women’s suffrage in America if we ignore the impact they had on improving our society and the world.
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I don't think it's okay with Ring cameras either. It disturbs me that I can go for a walk and am practically under surveillance the entire time because most of my neighbors have them.
The bigger problem with Ring in particular, though, is that they have been giving footage to law enforcement without even asking for a warrant.
Google did some weasel wording about that as far as this Waymo footage as well. Nobody really knows what's happening there, we just have to take Google's word for it.
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Stonewall was a riot and MLK got assassinated.
Peaceful protests only work when you have a government that's willing to listen. Where is the evidence that this one is? I've been to many peaceful protests so far this year, and the Trump administration just keeps escalating what they're doing. They haven't had the slightest effect.
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They were coming regardless of how people behaved. And it’s been largely peaceful. So much so, as John Oliver pointed out, the LAPD had the spare officers to march in a pride parade.
Trump wants escalation. He doesn’t need much of an excuse and will manufacture one if it doesn’t exist. I fear peaceful protestors will soon decide it doesn’t matter if they remain peaceful.
If I was cynical about it I would think it’s because he wants Trump to overstep as soon as possible since the longer he’s in office the harder he will be to get rid of. But Trump is going to do it anyway.
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I lived in Minneapolis. Some of it was peaceful.
I initially went to the protests right in front of the police station. Initially the protest itself was peaceful, even while the police were using tear gas and rubber bullets.
While the protests were going on, on the other side of the parking lot both the Target and the Cub Foods were being systemically looted.
Both before and after the main protests storefronts were being broken into, places were being looted, and the protesting turned into looting and there was over a city block of property that got burned and largely condemned.
The Target, I think it was a Napa Auto Parts, and Police Station got the bulk of the coverage. There were a lot of small businesses and small business offices that went up in smoke. So did a Post Office. So did a lot of the smaller shopping center to the west of the Target, and a number of cars within a block of Lake Street. All before Trumps big crackdowns.
There were a ton of stores that kept plywood in their windows because they'd been broken multiple times.
So while the block in front of the police station started out as peaceful, what the city went through both during the protest, and for a good while after it, wasn't.
It wasn't a Mad Max world, but it wasn't business as usual either.
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Intentionally provoke the status quo to violence, and make sure every brother around you is strapped?
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The first pride was a riot. As someone else noted, it sometimes takes a mix to get things done. I don’t support hurting people but destroying property to protect people is another matter, and the subject of the article.
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People we all need to calm down and approach this is the most intelligent and conniving ways because the the hell with high road liberals are told to take. We need more pictures from as many angles as possible of all ICE agents in public we can find. Then because of no regulation what so ever we feed all these pics into.....Clear Touch which just released a study of 98% accuracy of unmasking anyone trying to hide their face as you know they need to catch all those criminals and the software will tell you about that ICE agent as they are to stupid to write the company to have their pics excluded from searching like I did for me and my wife. That is how you fight a much more powerful enemy. The Art of War is a great read that still applies in modern times and that is where I come from
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Please educate yourself on the history of the term "Luddite". It's widespread misuse is a particularly gross example of how the powerful get to rewrite history.
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Lol, he doesn’t want to be seen as a butcher, but did his damdest to kill as many people as possible during Covid. Sent an armed gang to kill his vice president. Killed USAID to ensure hundreds of thousands will die shortly. Oh also, straight up kidnapping people and sending people to slave prisons. By the same means the people in LA are being snatched.
This might be the most deranged and detached view of trump I have ever seen. It’s like you have literally never heard him speak, nor follow anything he or his administrations have ever done. Trump is the powder keg and ICE is holding a flamethrower.
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I do not like burning random property as part of a protest. It's particularly heartbreaking when it's not a Waymo, but the property and businesses of the community doing the protesting.
That said I think we've seen bigger riots after super bowls that didn't go the way the fans wanted.
What L.A. was seeing wasn't nearly enough to warrant bringing in the armed forces. We're not facing an invasion. We're not seeing an insurrection. We're seeing a perfectly sane response to an abuse of ICE.
The illegal arrests of people by badgeless masked thugs in unmarked cars is inexcusable. Said arrested people to be whisked around from one unidentifiable holding facility to another, while the people trying to locate that person are shuffled from one agency to the next, before the person is shipped out of the country should scary enough that there are protests in every city. Sure it's just "illegals" now, assuming one is willing to take Trump's word that the people are criminals or gang members, but it's a model that can be used against anybody.
Under Trump's model, anybody who Trump or this cronies don't like can be disappeared without due process. When the administration is called on it, their "hands are tied" because the person isn't being held in American prisons.
Due process is a fundamental bulwark of our constitution. Without it anybody can be arrested and sentenced to a life in prison in a country where that person may not have any rights. It's particularly frightening that all of this can be done before anybody related to the arrested can even locate the party in question, nevertheless get any sort of motion through our slow moving judicial system to stay said deportation.
Everything Trump is doing is to subvert our rights. If there aren't enough judges for the number of hearings do to the number of arrests the solution isn't to abandon hearings and trials alltogether. It's to hire more judges. That, of course, isn't Trump's goal.
What Trump is doing is bad enough that it should get him impeached, along with impeachments or trials for most of his administration, particularly within the judiciary and ICE. Arguably the limits of the constitution are being stretched enough that even some supreme course justices should face impeachment.
Unfortunately enough of the nation is behind Trump that this is unlikely to happen. There are no parallels between any of hundreds of things Trump has done compared to the democrats. The scope of what he's doing, not just with Ice, puts him in a whole other league. Unfortunately all but one or two Republicans are in his pocket, so he may not face any consequences. Certainly he hasn't faced any up until now, even though he now has 34 felony convictions.
That said I think we've seen bigger riots after super bowls that didn't go the way the fans wanted.
What L.A. was seeing wasn't nearly enough to warrant bringing in the armed forces. We're not facing an invasion. We're not seeing an insurrection. We're seeing a perfectly sane response to an abuse of ICE.
The illegal arrests of people by badgeless masked thugs in unmarked cars is inexcusable. Said arrested people to be whisked around from one unidentifiable holding facility to another, while the people trying to locate that person are shuffled from one agency to the next, before the person is shipped out of the country should scary enough that there are protests in every city. Sure it's just "illegals" now, assuming one is willing to take Trump's word that the people are criminals or gang members, but it's a model that can be used against anybody.
Under Trump's model, anybody who Trump or this cronies don't like can be disappeared without due process. When the administration is called on it, their "hands are tied" because the person isn't being held in American prisons.
Due process is a fundamental bulwark of our constitution. Without it anybody can be arrested and sentenced to a life in prison in a country where that person may not have any rights. It's particularly frightening that all of this can be done before anybody related to the arrested can even locate the party in question, nevertheless get any sort of motion through our slow moving judicial system to stay said deportation.
Everything Trump is doing is to subvert our rights. If there aren't enough judges for the number of hearings do to the number of arrests the solution isn't to abandon hearings and trials alltogether. It's to hire more judges. That, of course, isn't Trump's goal.
What Trump is doing is bad enough that it should get him impeached, along with impeachments or trials for most of his administration, particularly within the judiciary and ICE. Arguably the limits of the constitution are being stretched enough that even some supreme course justices should face impeachment.
Unfortunately enough of the nation is behind Trump that this is unlikely to happen. There are no parallels between any of hundreds of things Trump has done compared to the democrats. The scope of what he's doing, not just with Ice, puts him in a whole other league. Unfortunately all but one or two Republicans are in his pocket, so he may not face any consequences. Certainly he hasn't faced any up until now, even though he now has 34 felony convictions.
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I don't think it was either, but I don't like to say things are true if I'm not 100% sure, I know it's not very fashionable. We don't see what was around.
Anyway that's not very important, it's just one instance, there will be others. What is important is not using it as an excuse for violence, but for outrage, violence helps them, violence is what they want, violence is how they win.
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Sure, but let's be clear, peaceful protest is not submission. Submission is Columbia bending the knee and rolling over, same for ABC, same for some law firms, and too many others.
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I don't think he's smart enough for that.
I think he's trying to just take all the power.
If you don't fight back, then he'll just stomp over everyone anyway. If you do, he'll say he has to stomp over everyone anyway.
Appeasing a fascist only ends in the same result as not doing so. Not like Hitler stopped after he took control of another country either.
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Name a famous peace-espousing change agent in history who did not understand and accept that their protest was going to involve breaking some eggs. By which I mean heads. Including their own. A few have already been mentioned in this thread.
Harvard saw what happened to Columbia despite their capitulation. They adjusted their response accordingly.
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Predict
1. Trump federal agents will fire into a crowd claiming they were all guilty of rioting, including the cameraman.
2. Ca arrests federal agents
3. Trump declares CA in rebellion and sends in actual military to take over
1. Trump federal agents will fire into a crowd claiming they were all guilty of rioting, including the cameraman.
2. Ca arrests federal agents
3. Trump declares CA in rebellion and sends in actual military to take over
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Suit yourself. Still I have the feeling he won't be able to wriggle out of this one.
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