We are all human. Things happen. The unintentional intrigue adds to their exposure, IMO.Apologies to Rivian for my fat-fingering the date in the CMS, which resulted in the embarrassing breaking of their embargo for a few minutes yesterday. If you saw this article then and were wondering why it vanished, it's because of me, the idiot.
It's expensive, but take a look at the Toyota subreddits. People are paying $50k for a Rav4 with dealer markup. I know which I'd prefer.Still way too expensive.
I want an EV, but I really can't justify this amount of spending.
The R2 premium seems pretty good? I guess it will depend on what options are needed (IMHO, 360 view is required for a large vehicle). I'm comparing to the Hyundai Ioniq 9 that starts at $59k in base trim.Still way too expensive.
I want an EV, but I really can't justify this amount of spending.
Still way too expensive.
I want an EV, but I really can't justify this amount of spending.
Rivian will be fine, especially with GM canning Brightdrop they'll have enough work to keep them afloat even if their consumer side went to zero.I'm skeptical about Rivian's future, but maybe they can capitalize on the rising fuel costs and other automakers canceling their EVs.
They aren't very price competitive, and their car's features aren't that much different than other cars on the market, so I'm skeptical.
Apologies to Rivian for my fat-fingering the date in the CMS, which resulted in the embarrassing breaking of their embargo for a few minutes yesterday. If you saw this article then and were wondering why it vanished, it's because of me, the idiot.
*edited my original comment for clarity.Respectful counterpoint: Average new gas-powered cars are at about $50k, so the pricing for the R2 is right there. Factor into the price the lack of costs for gas, oil changes, transmission fluid changes, belts, etc. and you save a ton of money if you can charge at home.
The cost of ownership for my R1T is far, far below my old Xterra. With not having to purchase gas, I'm saving $200 or more a month just on that one item. Electrons to fuel my truck are costing me about 1/4 of the cost of gas.
The Ioniq 9 is more than a foot longer than this, fwiw. It's really only just longer than an Ioniq 5.The R2 premium seems pretty good? I guess it will depend on what options are needed (IMHO, 360 view is required for a large vehicle). I'm comparing to the Hyundai Ioniq 9 that starts at $59k in base trim.
Yeah, at less than $60k in this market for the fully loaded one? That's actually good value. Without driving it I don't know how it stacks up against the iX3, which would be my current pick for the best ~$60k electric SUV.Respectful counterpoint: Average new gas-powered cars are at about $50k, so the pricing for the R2 is right there. Factor into the price the lack of costs for gas, oil changes, transmission fluid changes, belts, etc. and you save a ton of money if you can charge at home.
The cost of ownership for my R1T is far, far below my old Xterra. With not having to purchase gas, I'm saving $200 or more a month just on that one item.
Our second vehicle is a 2016 Forester which we don't drive much so it's got some legs still. The larger cargo space, especially the boxy cargo area, is very important when we go on long trips.their car's features aren't that much different than other cars on the market, so I'm skeptical.
I was also questioning their future until VAG invested a nice chunk of change into them and Tesla became stale and toxic. And they've become a common sight in the more affluent suburbs around here. Hopefully the R2 makes them a more common sight everywhere.I'm skeptical about Rivian's future, but maybe they can capitalize on the rising fuel costs and other automakers canceling their EVs.
They aren't very price competitive, and their car's features aren't that much different than other cars on the market, so I'm skeptical.
Who said people are letting it slide with Tesla? You have no idea what the counterfactual is, ie how successful they'd be if they supported CarPlay. All you know for sure is that lack of CarPlay hasn't made Tesla a small, money losing company as it did with Rivian.Rivian does not offer Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. Will people care like they do with GM cars, or will they let it slide like they do with Tesla?
Not sure which picture you're looking at, but the only one with a grown man in it has the hood just past his belly button."Midsize". And the hood goes to the top of the armpits of a grown man standing next to it.
I think Rivian's branding is pretty exceptional. I think they've successfully created their image as an entry luxury, adventure focused brand with nice materials and a tech focused EV without the fascism. The EV components parts aren't as up to date as the BMW iX3 or Volvo EX60 and probably upcoming Lucid midsize, but the software is in a good place and the vehicles are friendly and conventionally shaped, useful SUV boxes. Good brand, good software, and good enough EV tech might be enough to keep them going.I'm skeptical about Rivian's future, but maybe they can capitalize on the rising fuel costs and other automakers canceling their EVs.
They aren't very price competitive, and their car's features aren't that much different than other cars on the market, so I'm skeptical.
It's definitely an investment, but I've invested in solar at my home too, so charging is mostly free for me. That is a big advantage since I no longer have to pay for gas or oil, and maybe that will help you when you're considering your options.Still way too expensive.
I want an EV, but I really can't justify this amount of spending.
I agree with you about not supporting CarPlay. We use the built-in Apple Music app in our R1S to solve the streaming problem, and the nav is top-notch with the Rivian/Google integration there. The biggest gap remaining is the ability to activate hands-free calls or texts without having to turn to Alexa. Hopefully they'll see that Tesla is adding CarPlay, if they do, and follow suit.Dang. I was interested until I saw no carplay. Also not a fan of the services subscription model they are joining along with other manufacturers. I guess I can keeping driving what I have.
Big cars are expensive. This isn't a Kei car, this is a 5-6,000lb ish SUV.Reposting my comment from yesterday about pricing --
R2 base pricing starting at $48k feels steep, but then I remember we live in a world where you can't get a CR-V or a Rav4 for a number that starts with $2 or a Highlander/Pilot for a number that starts with $3 - and it doesn't seem particularly expensive. The R2 seems pretty compelling, though I'm really interested in more info about the R3/R3X before I get too hyped up on the R2.
Agreed 100%. We'll be headed to Portland to test drive an R2 as Washington doesn't allow this yet.Yeah, at less than $60k in this market for the fully loaded one? That's actually good value. Without driving it I don't know how it stacks up against the iX3, which would be my current pick for the best ~$60k electric SUV.
The Rav4? Or if that's too big the Corolla Cross?what if someone made a normal-sized vehicle that suits the needs of normal people