RFK may replace entire panel of CDC vaccine advisors again, ally lets slip

DarthSlack

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How much do you want to bet that their plan was to disband ACIP, then reform it with either the exact same set of whackadoos, or with another set of unqualified hacks with almost-identical whackadoo opinions?

That's the root cause of the delay. Finding people even dumber than the current ACIP bunch is a tall order, even for this administration.
 
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it really is such a sad feeling to concurrently wish for Iran to do something evil and spectacular in Washington and to take out some of these evil administration people: only to realize that there's no possible way for the evil and spectacular thing to not also slaughter innocents :(
And then, worse, of course, that the resulting reign of terror in the US would be even worse :(

The sheer level of destruction to science and knowledge that continues apace is just nauseating :(
 
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That's the root cause of the delay. Finding people even dumber than the current ACIP bunch is a tall order, even for this administration.
Be careful what you say about this administration. Nearly every single day since the beginning of 2025, this administration has managed to do something dumber, more destructive, more insane, or more corrupt than the day before. Sometimes they've managed to exceed the previous day's mark in all four areas at once. There is no bottom for this administration. I wouldn't be surprised if the mobile brainworm sarcophagus decided to appoint Gwenyth Paltrow as the head of the next committee.
 
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DarthSlack

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Be careful what you say about this administration. Nearly every single day since the beginning of 2025, this administration has managed to do something dumber, more destructive, more insane, or more corrupt than the day before. Sometimes they've managed to exceed the previous day's mark in all four areas at once. There is no bottom for this administration. I wouldn't be surprised if the mobile brainworm sarcophagus decided to appoint Gwenyth Paltrow as the head of the next committee.

Excuse me, I think I need to talk to my investment advisor about jade futures.......
 
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it really is such a sad feeling to concurrently wish for Iran to do something evil and spectacular in Washington and to take out some of these evil administration people: only to realize that there's no possible way for the evil and spectacular thing to not also slaughter innocents :(
And then, worse, of course, that the resulting reign of terror in the US would be even worse :(

The sheer level of destruction to science and knowledge that continues apace is just nauseating :(
I'm just waiting for the administration to read their poll numbers, decide they have no chance of keeping control in congress, have a very good chance of seeing over-riding veto-empowered congresses, then declaring a state of emergency and suspending elections.

So the riots and civil war will start this year. I firmly believe that these fuckwits are THAT unhinged.

Because if we get a US-friendly congress, Trump and Vance and most of the rest of the fuckwits in office/department secretaries will be out on their asses, and I figure a few of them will be in prison.
 
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Alfonse

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RFK Jr. needs to be put in prison after this administration to set an example for these charlatans and frauds that no one is untouchable.

The problem with that is that he probably hasn't actually broken any criminal statutes. We don't have laws on the books for actively destroying the effectiveness of government agencies, and we don't allow government officials to be held criminally accountable if their agency does things that allow people to die.

Accountability (rather, the lack thereof) is one of the biggest issues that makes the modern world what it is. Corporations are basically systems of bureaucracy that ensure that allow people to take credit for good things while never being held accountable for bad ones. Political appointees are only held accountable by voters, and even then, they only face loss of power.

Accountability is just not part of our systems. It doesn't benefit those people in power, so it does not exist.
 
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Fred Duck

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Brian Murphy said:
But if he wants to start from scratch, he still needs to follow the law.
After following the situation via Ars for months, it appears everyone in the upper parts of the government have always been following the LAW, where LAW means Least Acceptable Way.

It does seem that anything that can go wrong will.
 
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If the universe were fair and just, every single time a Republican used the word "meritocracy" their tongue would burn and blister like a demon entering church.

Haha, a boy can dream, right?
We just have a difference in what we define as "meritorious".

"We" have "expertise, competence, aptitude, capacity, and achievement" as leading metrics for "merit".

"They" have "ideological matches, willingness to subordinate, looks-like-me (but not better), independent wealth, race, religion, and lack of shame" as their leading metrics for the term.
 
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Alfonse

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I'm just waiting for the administration to read their poll numbers, decide they have no chance of keeping control in congress, have a very good chance of seeing over-riding veto-empowered congresses, then declaring a state of emergency and suspending elections.

So the riots and civil war will start this year. I firmly believe that these fuckwits are THAT unhinged.

No need to suspend elections. Just send masked thugs into key voting areas to suppress the vote. They're already setting the stage for that, effectively declaring that no Democrat can be fairly elected. So any district that looks like it might elect a Democrat needs to be "observed".
 
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kfzig

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The problem with that is that he probably hasn't actually broken any criminal statutes. We don't have laws on the books for actively destroying the effectiveness of government agencies, and we don't allow government officials to be held criminally accountable if their agency does things that allow people to die.

Accountability (rather, the lack thereof) is one of the biggest issues that makes the modern world what it is. Corporations are basically systems of bureaucracy that ensure that allow people to take credit for good things while never being held accountable for bad ones. Political appointees are only held accountable by voters, and even then, they only face loss of power.

Accountability is just not part of our systems. It doesn't benefit those people in power, so it does not exist.
Sabotage is a crime.

Espionage is a crime.
 
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Lexus Lunar Lorry

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The problem with that is that he probably hasn't actually broken any criminal statutes. We don't have laws on the books for actively destroying the effectiveness of government agencies, and we don't allow government officials to be held criminally accountable if their agency does things that allow people to die.

Accountability (rather, the lack thereof) is one of the biggest issues that makes the modern world what it is. Corporations are basically systems of bureaucracy that ensure that allow people to take credit for good things while never being held accountable for bad ones. Political appointees are only held accountable by voters, and even then, they only face loss of power.

Accountability is just not part of our systems. It doesn't benefit those people in power, so it does not exist.
I think that this is what drew fascists and 19th-century philosophers to the worship of war: even if individuals can shirk their duties on the battlefield, institutions that do so will be eliminated by the enemy. For example, the Russo-Ukrainian war has resulted in large reforms for both sides' militaries even as it literally bleeds out both countries.

Of course, the problem with this worldview is that war has many many many negative side effects and generally leaves both sides weaker than they were before.
 
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Alfonse

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Sabotage is a crime.

Espionage is a crime.

"Sabotage" is not a crime. There are criminal statues for destroying stuff that doesn't belong to you, but there is no criminal statue for making a government organization less effective.

"Espionage" is a crime, but you have no evidence that RFK Jr is spying for a foreign power.

When mouthing off on a forum, you can easily say "he's a criminal!" But when you have to actually get an indictment and a conviction, you need to be able to point at actual laws he's broken and evidence that he has broken them.
 
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Does it really matter who he puts on the panel? He can just ignore their recommendations if he doesn’t like them. I suppose it’s a tad less embarrassing if the panel doesn’t disagree with him, but I’m not sure he cares that much.
Maybe. But in some ways he's trapped himself by insisting he's going to "follow REAL science" using results and conclusions assembled by his own hand-picked advisors, but the white house is pushing back hard on a lot of their nonsense. Nonetheless he's self-painted into a corner where he's both bound by his advisor's conclusions, and also bound by an allegiance to the administration that grants him any power at all.

I honestly think a breakdown may ensue. Or he'll just get under-bussed to deflect attention from increasingly bad results for the administration as their impulsive stupidity collides more and more with a reality deeply offended by it.
 
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hel1kx

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Does it really matter who he puts on the panel? He can just ignore their recommendations if he doesn’t like them. I suppose it’s a tad less embarrassing if the panel doesn’t disagree with him, but I’m not sure he cares that much.
imo it matters because he didn't follow the administrative procedures for changing the composition of the ACIP and the more we just let them do stuff without pushback, the harder it's going to be to (hopefully) fix it later.
 
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I'm just waiting for the administration to read their poll numbers, decide they have no chance of keeping control in congress, have a very good chance of seeing over-riding veto-empowered congresses, then declaring a state of emergency and suspending elections.
There's no mechanism for suspending elections nationally. None. States run their elections and most, if not all, will hold their elections and elect Senators and Representatives even if there's some attempt at stopping elections. At the end of the year the current members of Congress whose terms are ending no longer have any authority. There's no mechanism for extending those terms by some magical state of emergency declaration. If there are States that actually attempt to kowtow to some non-existent authority to suspend elections (which I doubt will happen and which almost certainly would be blocked by the courts, even our current SCotUS) in January they're going to have to deal with the fact that they didn't elect new members of Congress.

Now, if you're asking if I think there's a chance that this administration would 1) try this tactic anyway, 2) attempt to block elected members of Congress from being sat; or 3) attempt to encourage States make an end run around not having elections by appointing people to empty seats, then the answer is I 100% could see some people attempting to make those things happen. I'm certainly there's going to be ratfuckery in the lead up to elections, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of court challenges. Buckle up, we live in terribly interesting times.
 
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eleefece

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How much do you want to bet that their plan was to disband ACIP, then reform it with either the exact same set of whackadoos, or with another set of unqualified hacks with almost-identical whackadoo opinions?
Just like the 31 minutos skit:

31_minutos.jpg
"The world came to an end. But right away, another world began that was exactly the same, so no one noticed."
 
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There's no mechanism for suspending elections nationally. None. States run their elections and most, if not all, will hold their elections and elect Senators and Representatives even if there's some attempt at stopping elections. At the end of the year the current members of Congress whose terms are ending no longer have any authority. There's no mechanism for extending those terms by some magical state of emergency declaration. If there are States that actually attempt to kowtow to some non-existent authority to suspend elections (which I doubt will happen and which almost certainly would be blocked by the courts, even our current SCotUS) in January they're going to have to deal with the fact that they didn't elect new members of Congress.

Now, if you're asking if I think there's a chance that this administration would 1) try this tactic anyway, 2) attempt to block elected members of Congress from being sat; or 3) attempt to encourage States make an end run around not having elections by appointing people to empty seats, then the answer is I 100% could see some people attempting to make those things happen. I'm certainly there's going to be ratfuckery in the lead up to elections, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of court challenges. Buckle up, we live in terribly interesting times.
Don't forget, 4) encourage masked, armed yokels claiming to be law enforcement to intimidate voters
 
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it really is such a sad feeling to concurrently wish for Iran to do something evil and spectacular in Washington and to take out some of these evil administration people: only to realize that there's no possible way for the evil and spectacular thing to not also slaughter innocents :(
And then, worse, of course, that the resulting reign of terror in the US would be even worse :(

The sheer level of destruction to science and knowledge that continues apace is just nauseating :(


Also, the USA is like a schoolyard bully, you poke them with a stick and they kill you and your family and everyone you've ever known.

Any direct attack on the USA will be met with a completely disproportionate response.

It's not worth it for anyone to directly attack the USA.
 
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Geeklaw

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No need to suspend elections. Just send masked thugs into key voting areas to suppress the vote. They're already setting the stage for that, effectively declaring that no Democrat can be fairly elected. So any district that looks like it might elect a Democrat needs to be "observed".
This is a lot harder to do than you're making it sound. From a practical prospective either you need to do this in a lot of places and therefore need a lot of thugs and/or "observers". There's tens of thousands of locations and hundreds, if not thousands, of people vote in each location, how many people do they need to actually stop people from voting? What does it take to overcome that effort to inhibit voting. If they only target a few very specific locations that has it's own challenges because it lets the opposition consolidate to oppose the oppressors.

I'm worried about this situation but logistically isn't not an easy task. It isn't made any easier by the armies of people who are currently organizing to protect elections in every State. Yeah, there's a risk here and yes that includes MAGA supporters going rogue and doing their own enforcement, but I don't see this election being suppressed without a fight.
 
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Because if we get a US-friendly congress, Trump and Vance and most of the rest of the fuckwits in office/department secretaries will be out on their asses, and I figure a few of them will be in prison.
You are way more optimistic than I am. In my opinion dems could get a super majority in both the house and senate and at most a secretary or two would be impeached but there will never be criminal charges for any of them. The rhetoric would all be table pounding followed by, "we need to move on and heal rather than divide the country more by getting justice attacking our political adversaries." We've normalized corruption to the point that it's going to take a revolution to give us a government of laws and equal justice.
 
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