RFK Jr. forces FDA to reconsider 12 unproven peptides after 2023 ban

There doesn't seem to be new safety or efficacy data, but Kennedy touts them anyway.

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[Missing_Linc]

More than tripled, by a lot. For some reason Forbes was somehow... overlooking... the notable discrepancies between claimed wealth and what Trump was actually worth before he ran for office.

It certainly doesn't factor in the money from Venezuela he's put away for safe keeping. And probably not the crypto scams either.

...ahem... Carter's peanut farm something or other...

 

[kaced]

The problem, as it so often is in the US, lies somewhere in between truth and our present reality. <snip for brevity>

This is a very good comment that basically sums up my thoughts. Broadly, I think people should be free to try things on themselves. The FDA is in fact quite inefficient, and also captured by industry. Developing real drugs is ridiculously expensive. Some of this stuff might actually work, we don’t know yet. Some very useful things were discovered back when (actual) scientists would often try stuff on themselves.

And still, this peptide boom is just the latest part of the anti-science anti-knowledge craze among people who refuse to understand how anything actually does work and reject things that are proven because they don’t trust smart people. It seems simultaneously true that there could be value in letting consenting people try things, and that because of how they’re doing it we probably won’t get any useful information out of it and a lot of them will hurt themselves without realizing why. Oh well.

 

[rain shadow]

More than tripled, by a lot. For some reason Forbes was somehow... overlooking... the notable discrepancies between claimed wealth and what Trump was actually worth before he ran for office.

A large portion of his assets are shares in Trump Media Group. These are paper gains, and if he tried to reap profits by selling, the value of the stock would tank. It's currently trading near all time lows anyway. He also has a bunch of crypto assets, but none in bitcoin. I'm not sure what the deal with them is but if I'm reading things correctly they are memecoins branded by him or his own corporate financial companies. Again, these are paper gains and if he tried to reap profits the value would crater.

His assets are real in terms of accounting, but they aren't really liquid assets in the way that other types of stock or coins would be.

What he can do is get loans based on the paper value, then use that to buy other assets. When the coins/stock plummet, he can assign the loss to one of his companies and keep the hard assets in his name. He has done similar things with real estate deals in the past.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/article/the-definitive-networth-of-donaldtrump/

 

[House of Propane]

This is a very good comment that basically sums up my thoughts. Broadly, I think people should be free to try things on themselves. The FDA is in fact quite inefficient, and also captured by industry. Developing real drugs is ridiculously expensive. Some of this stuff might actually work, we don’t know yet. Some very useful things were discovered back when (actual) scientists would often try stuff on themselves.

And still, this peptide boom is just the latest part of the anti-science anti-knowledge craze among people who refuse to understand how anything actually does work and reject things that are proven because they don’t trust smart people. It seems simultaneously true that there could be value in letting consenting people try things, and that because of how they’re doing it we probably won’t get any useful information out of it and a lot of them will hurt themselves without realizing why. Oh well.

Bodybuilders are always doing mass loosely coordinated trials of stuff so you can see what works and what doesn’t, and take what you want based on your own personal risk tolerance.

People should be allowed to blast peptides and steroids to get the body they want, it’s silly not to allow this.

 

[Generalist]

". . . various conditions, reversing aging, and improving appearance . . ."

If these treatments do actually have any effect, I shudder to think what RFKjr would look/sound like without . . .

 

[rain shadow]

People should be allowed to blast peptides and steroids to get the body they want, it’s silly not to allow this.

The only problem with this is that if there is harm that comes from this, it increases the burden on health care providers to treat whatever problems occur, and on the legal profession and law enforcement to deal with things like roid rage. While not as bad as letting people do cocaine and fentanyl, any substance that can be harmful will have follow-on effects elsewhere and that's why there are limits on what you can take.

 

[jbk]

". . . various conditions, reversing aging, and improving appearance . . ."

If these treatments do actually have any effect, I shudder to think what RFKjr would look/sound like without . . .

I'd imagine something like Donovan after he drinks from the false grail.

 

[Missing_Linc]

Bodybuilders are always doing mass loosely coordinated trials of stuff so you can see what works and what doesn’t, and take what you want based on your own personal risk tolerance.

People should be allowed to blast peptides and steroids to get the body they want, it’s silly not to allow this.

They aren't getting the bodies they want. They're prematurely aging themselves to get the body they've been told to want.
When you have influential people with undisclosed financial interests telling you that you can achieve a decade of hard work in a tenth of the time by buying an unapproved drug that's sold on a grey market of research chemicals things become a problem very quickly.

I do believe that bodily autonomy is important. But when we're talking about young, uneducated people you need to start thinking about protecting consumers.

A few hours looking at some of the side effects of misuse by teenagers or reviewing the number of dead fitness influencers raises some important questions.
Is it that people are free to try whatever they want? Or is it that a smaller group of people are free to manipulate consumers with false information and half truths?

 

[azazel1024]

The manslaughter and wrongful death cases coming against these clowns are going to be epic. The human suffering and death will be abhorrent. One can only hope Karma meets these folks, soon.

SCOTUS is just going to Westfall it all and shut them down.

 

[cheetopet]

To improve vaccination rates we should rename the measles vaccine MLS-6371, charge $200 a shot & sell it on a sketchy website. Should get us back to 95% in no time.

 

[Missing_Linc]

To improve vaccination rates we should rename the measles vaccine MLS-6371, charge $200 a shot & sell it on a sketchy website. Should get us back to 95% in no time.

Tell people it will let them eat anything and still put on lean muscle mass and they'll lining up for booster shots every month.

 

[jarvis]

Vibe medicine. It's the future. ChatGPT said it was good.

Seriously, what is wrong with this guy? How can he be this dumb?

 

[AliSard]

I knew Trump 2 would be bad, but I underestimated the scale.
I knew Kennedy would be bad, but I VASTLY underestimated the scale.

 

[Spiders from Mars]

I'm new at this but if it's illegal how come Amazon has 47 different BPC-157 pepide products for sale today?

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[rain shadow]

I'm new at this but if it's illegal how come Amazon has 47 different BPC-157 pepide products for sale today?

(edit (left out a word)

Because they sell it as tablets that will get digested to the point of no longer being peptides. The peptides discussed in this article are regarding the injectable form.

 

[johnny.5]

Every time I see this guy, I see Sloth, just way less likable.

 

[terrydactyl]

If you need some humor in the dark days, The Onion's archive of RFK Jr pieces

https://theonion.com/tag/rfk-jr/

 

[engineerdave]

If we are going to let people inject themselves with unproven (or under-proven and under-researched) peptides, why can't we let people inject themselves with Estrogen or Testosterone without a prescription?

I want to be able to buy peptides made in US labs with tested ingredients in a sterile environment! You have no idea how risky it is for people buying peptides of unknown purity or contaminants!
These labs in the US are blocked right now. As long the pure peptides are not harmful, let us decide? I'm getting mine through an actual doctor, through certified labs, but the selection is limited.
I never thought I would agree with an action RFK Jr. isctaking!

 

[marsiglio]

Before The Enlightenment nature was to be interpreted according to authority and beliefs. Since The Enlightenment nature is to be expained according to reproducible experiments and testable hypotheses. MAGA and RFKjr regret The Enlightenment ever happened and will continue to do their best to erase it.

 

[orwelldesign]

Everyday is a new non surprising surprise in this hellscape run by the white Christian nationalist equivalent of Sharia Law.

It clicked for me a long time ago: the conservatives aren't mad that shariah law is theocracy, they're mad it's the "wrong" one.

And I have to say: I have met far more "Christian" identified folks who are just awful than Muslims. Every devout Muslim I've ever met has been good people.

 

[ArcanePariah]

Ok, serious question, given the precedent set by this regime, how difficult will it be to simply undo all of this overnight? I mean, what exactly stops the next Democrat adminsitration from basically hitting the undo button on day on, reverting everything within a month or two, using data and archived info from prior to the current Reich regime?

Honestly, from my point of view, that needs to be absolute bare minimum. Just ram through a COMPLETE reversal of everything Trump has done. Take back every building sold. Seize all lands given away. Cancel all contacts signed by the regime. Jail anyone who even looked like they profited and take their money, and force them to try to maybe get it back and drag them through the courts. Hire everyone back at top dollar, fire every Trump stooge. Ban every conservative from any policy area of any kind. Restore all collective bargaining.

Which touches on another point, everything Trump threatened or did that was backed with ANY law, needs to have that law repealed. All the tariffs authorities? Gone. The threat to take away patents from universities? Bye bye. All the national security stuff, gone. It should be completely redone as a pure ratchet leftward, where it defaults to empowering liberals, and conservatives can't do anything, and to do so is summary punishment. Make it so withholding research grants instantly triggers disbursement. Make any attempts to fire federal workers a criminal offense unless documented.

My probably most extreme suggestion? No regulatory repeal can occur in the same administration it was proposed in. So this means regulations can only be added. Repealing takes successive administrations.

 

[Epke]

Profits over safety!

 

[launcap]

Ok, serious question, given the precedent set by this regime, how difficult will it be to simply undo all of this overnight? I mean, what exactly stops the next Democrat adminsitration from basically hitting the undo button on day on, reverting everything within a month or two, using data and archived info from prior to the current Reich regime?

Sort of Damnatio Memoriae?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_memoriae

Erase his name from history. While he's alive and can see it being done. The ultimate punishment for a malignant narcissist.

 

[Shafty69]

Ahh the land of the free.
I reckon if i dried and then finely ground dog shit, put it in a small plastic bottle and labelled it RFK Approved Peptides I could make a small fortune over there.