Resist, eggheads! Universities are not as weak as they have chosen to be.

Which is exactly why Israel exists. So Jews can live in peace and safety with each other and not Jew haters like this one

Being critical against the Likud isn't being an antisemite. Shady grifters, fascists, or supremacists do not get a pass because they can individually make the claim to be part of a historically oppressed minority.
Or would you exculpate Ernst Röhm because he happened to be homosexual?

Assholes and monsters are assholes and monsters, no matter whether they belong to a minority or not. The Likud and Hamas are like two peas in a pod, united in a desire to keep perpetuating a war against both the israeli and palestinian citizenry in order to retain their own political relevance. Something which hundreds of thousands of well educated israeli appear to agree with.

Hell, the Likud admitted as much when they affirmed that they'd actively supported to keep Hamas in power in order to ensure the palestinians had no credible leadership which could be negotiated with.
The end result of which was 7/10 and the thousands of palestinians kidnapped, tortured and murdered by Hamas for daring to oppose them.

You don't get to feed and nurture a mad dog and then get out of complicity when it bites people. Some things are indefensible without the recourse of pointing to skin color or ethnicity as a defense.
 
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Which is exactly why Israel exists. So Jews can live in peace and safety with each other and not Jew haters like this one
Jew hater? People are hating on the leadership of Israel, not "the Jews". This is a tired old line and you need to cut it out. Frankly, this is why all "ethnostates" are bad to start with. If their leader's goals are to maintain "ethnic purity", how do you think they are going to do that, logistically? There is no version of that that isn't genocide.
 
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Based on timing, it's more like Sam's Club is basically Costco (Costco started life as Price Club in '76)
I only meant from personal experience, as I have no idea of the history of the companies, only that I knew Sam's Club since I was a kid, and only know about Costco because comedians joke about it on TV.
 
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I only meant from personal experience, as I have no idea of the history of the companies, only that I knew Sam's Club since I was a kid, and only know about Costco because comedians joke about it on TV.
Fair point.

I've had my fair share of flipped analogies because of unknown histories as well :)
 
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Fair point.

I've had my fair share of flipped analogies because of unknown histories as well :)
I get it, but for clarification, I wasn't making an analogy, flipped or otherwise, I was asking for confirmation. Nothing about asking "hey Costo is like Sam's Club right?" suggests one came before the other, I was just wanting confirmation from those who had experience from both stores.
 
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I was willing to consider that Stewart might be waiting for Trump to check off all the “Are you a facist?” boxes.

And then the administration did this:

Trump administration texts Barnard professors, asking if they are Jewish


yeah. No more doubt. Trump’s a fascist.
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You make a fair point. But I also see why the Israeli government doesn’t want to negotiate or leave the situation as it was.
It’s understandable, but it’s not what their spokesmen (particularly the British bloke - David Mencer, or something like that) keeps saying.

Their conduct, while objectionable in many respects, isn’t all that odd, but the way their PR treats us all like idiots and the way they ask for special variations to the rules of war (apply their rules regarding unrecognised states to Taiwan, or, since Hamas don’t recognise Israel, themselves, and see how they work), and their demands that we and our governments actively support them, just gets on my tits. also, their absurd ahistorical territorial claims is a major case of people being wrong on the internet (insert XKCD here).
 
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Thank you for answering in person, I really appreciate it.
But when it's a bunch of student protestors yelling at the school administrators to do something that said administrators seem to have no intention of ever doing?
The US House of Representatives strongly disagrees with that representation.
That's the second time you've suggested I'm being antisemitic within the past week. Why don't you just spell out what's driving these accusations right now, so we can just clear the air on this.
Nothing to do with you personally. I care about Ars (otherwise I wouldn't comment), and I'm concerned that, the way articles mentioning in-passing antisemitism on campus have been written, Ars denies it by making it look like a made-up accusation (using quotation marks for example), and presents it as a partisan issue which antisemitism shouldn't be (using expressions akin to "which this administration considers antisemitic" for example). Have a look at the report linked above.

That Ars doesn't report on it is one thing; that Ars makes it sound like it didn't happen is another. I also don't recall Ars using "quotation marks" or similar for other types of racism or more generally discrimination (but I hope to be wrong).
 
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I'm concerned that the way articles mentioning in passing antisemitism on campus have been written, Ars denies it (using quotation marks for example), makes it look like a made-up accusation, and presents it as a partisan issue which antisemitism shouldn't be (using expressions akin to "which this administration considers antisemitic" for example). Have a look at the report linked above.
The way this administration is using the term antisemitism is a false accusation, partisan, a smoke screen, and many other tools of propaganda.

Claiming otherwise is either ignorant or poor faith argumentation.
 
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I'll be sure to let anyone who cares know the day I give a solitary fuck what the (checks notes) US House of Representatives thinks about well, anything.
In case you haven't noticed, they also provide links to relevant sources (including university internal documents, etc.) and testimonies (under oath I believe); and an official report issued by the US House of Representatives is certainly more reliable than anonymous Internet comments claiming nothing happened.

But thank you for illustrating my point on how Ars treats the issue of antisemitism on campus.
 
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In case you haven't noticed, they also provide links to relevant sources (including university internal documents, etc.) and testimonies (under oath I believe); and an official report issued by the US House of Representatives is certainly more reliable than anonymous Internet comments claiming nothing happened.

But thank you for illustrating my point on how Ars treats the issue of antisemitism on campus.
I know people who were physically attacked at both Harvard & Columbia. Neither were engaged in protesting (or counter-protesting) at the time.
That's reliable enough for me.
 
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But thank you for illustrating my point on how Ars treats the issue of antisemitism on campus.
The actions the administration is taking bear no relationship to any specific issue.

Anti[anything] to them is merely a wedge issue to divide, and you have swallowed their malarkey whole, with a bullshit chaser. THAT is what this community sees that you want to pretend you do not.
 
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I'll be sure to let anyone who cares know the day I give a solitary fuck what the (checks notes) US House of Representatives thinks about well, anything.

Is this notification of yours something we can subscribe to?

It would be a nice surprise for my hundredth birthday.
 
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In case you haven't noticed, they also provide links to relevant sources (including university internal documents, etc.) and testimonies (under oath I believe); and an official report issued by the US House of Representatives is certainly more reliable than anonymous Internet comments claiming nothing happened.

But thank you for illustrating my point on how Ars treats the issue of antisemitism on campus.
Jewish people are JOINING the protests against what Israel's government is doing. Protesting Israel is NOT anti-Semitic. Are some bad actors using the protests to promote their racism? Yes, that always happens, but this is not a "Jews will not replace us" moment where an entire crowd is simultaneously chanting racist nonsense. You're talking about isolated instances which always occur in ANY large protest.

Colleges aren't responding to it because it's a non-issue.

But more to the point, it doesn't matter in the face of the outright death and destruction of innocent people in Gaza right now. THAT is what you should be complaining about. Frankly, if you care at all about genocide and racism, you should be standing with us at the protests.
 
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Thank you for answering in person, I really appreciate it.

The US House of Representatives strongly disagrees with that representation.
Before I dive into the substance of your argument, I'd like to point out that its form is very bad. I made a very specific point about what would raise things to the level where they'd potentially merit coverage as a research issue. You responded to it with little more than a link to a 42 page document. Rather than addressing what I wrote, you're basically telling me that I may be wrong, but it's my job to sort through that document to find out if I am, and may need to follow up on some of its supporting material to see if the document's claims are right.

That's not making an argument. It's telling me to go find the information needed to support your argument on my own. If this is an issue you really care about - and repeated posts in multiple threads indicates it is - then put in the work to make a case for your perspective.


Ok, so what to make of this report? I have not read it, but I have read another report from this same Congress, because I covered it. And, well, it managed to grossly distort the scientific record by cherry-picking standards of evidence to suit its needs, and its needs were little more than scoring cheap political points. Yes, it included lots of details and references to the literature, and quotes from scientists, etc. So, on the surface, it might look compelling. But if you actually understood the science, it was easy to recognize that it would completely mislead its less scientifically inclined readers.

That's the source of what you're telling me will give me an accurate picture of whether any US research institutions are boycotting Israeli academics.

I'm going to suggest an alternative: if that's happening, you should be able to point me to specific indications that it is. A news story, policy statement, faculty senate proceedings, whatever. Just some indications from a credible source that it's taking place.


Nothing to do with you personally. I care about Ars (otherwise I wouldn't comment), and I'm concerned that, the way articles mentioning in-passing antisemitism on campus have been written, Ars denies it by making it look like a made-up accusation (using quotation marks for example), and presents it as a partisan issue which antisemitism shouldn't be (using expressions akin to "which this administration considers antisemitic" for example). Have a look at the report linked above.

That Ars doesn't report on it is one thing; that Ars makes it sound like it didn't happen is another. I also don't recall Ars using "quotation marks" or similar for other types of racism or more generally discrimination (but I hope to be wrong).
What I'd say to this is that multiple things can be true at once:
There were clearly a number of antisemitic incidents during the recent protests against Israeli actions in Gaza.
There have also been a number of attempts to label all criticisms of Israel antisemitic.
The Trump administration is using antisemitism as a cudgel in a far broader attack against research institutions, often as a means to accomplish ideological goals that would in no way address antisemitism on campus.

That is, as I'd hope you'd acknowledge, a complicated situation to explain. And, in a situation where we're trying to write an article about, say, exactly what the Administration tried to force Harvard to do, explaining it is really besides the point, and so it's usually moved past very quickly.

Put differently: if the goal of the article isn't to describe aspects of antisemitism or the weaponization of accusations thereof, you should not expect a detailed analysis of the antisemitism. Instead, you should expect various ways of acknowledging the complexity while moving on into the main topic of the article. You should not read an acknowledgement that not all accusations of antisemitism are made in good faith as an indication that no accusation of antisemitism is.
 
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Multiple things being true at once is such a fundamental thing to grasp in 2025. I'd like to highlight this post on Bluesky by a friend of mine, who just for a little context is a Jewish lawyer.

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"I know this sucks, but he's both Jewish AND a Nazi." Those aren't contradictory statements. And you can't use accusations of anti-semitism to defend Miller's bigotry. You have to be able to hold both ideas in your head at once.

Fundamentally there is no reason to take anyone seriously if they in turn are taking the administration's crusade against anti-semitism seriously. And it doesn't matter what their credentials are.

For example, Deborah Lipstadt is a Holocaust historian, and also a fool.

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The ADL is an Israeli lobbying group, they're no friends of Jews. See their disgusting quibbling over Elon Musk's Nazi salute as Exhibit A, but there are plenty more. It's not anti-Semitic to point this out, as many Jews have been doing.

It's just a simple fact for anyone who's been remotely paying attention that the witch hunt against anti-semitism on campuses has always been about power over the universities, and not protecting Jews. It was true before Trump's re-election, it's true now.

You know who was running the doxing trucks during protests?

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023...les-campus-displays-student-names-and-photos/

Accuracy In Media, a conservative activist organization. They're not pro-Jewish, they're anti-liberal, and used the protests as a way to disrupt things that are against their agenda.

None of this is remotely a secret to anyone paying attention.
 
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I get it, but for clarification, I wasn't making an analogy, flipped or otherwise, I was asking for confirmation. Nothing about asking "hey Costo is like Sam's Club right?" suggests one came before the other, I was just wanting confirmation from those who had experience from both stores.

OK - confirmation (from someone who has both Costco and Sams Club memberships - Long story but basically due to wife's job).

Overall, both Sams Club and Costco are membership clubs. You have to pay a membership fee to be able to go inside.

Both use the "Open Warehouse" model where it's an open warehouse where the aisles are made up of industrial-size pallet-sized shelves where the floor space is where customers can retrieve goods and the above-floor shelves are pallet holders for storage. Most bulk-style items (like Ranch Dressing 32oz pack of 3 bottles) that would be more appropriate for mom/pop like shops looking for bulk discounts.

The central area is organized for general shopping like a normal store, but is used for seasonal items or specials.

Since buying in bulk does allow for cost savings, just keep in mind when you shop there that consumables are purchased based on your usage. Don't buy the 2ea/1Gallon jugs of milk pack because it's cheaper than Albertsons (per gallon) unless you actually do plan on going through 2 gallons of milk before they expire.

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Occasionally there's a sale that can give you some extra savings.

Also, Costco has specials during the day where they post a portable stand somewhere and hand out samples (usually food samples in bite-size cups) that I haven't seen at Sams Club.

The other difference is Sams Club is part of the Walmart chain. Not sure if Costco is part of a standard retail chain or not.

Both places also have a loss-leader food court (similar to Ikea) where hot dogs+coke is $1.50US and a LARGE slice of pizza is between $1.50-$1.99. (For the pizza slice think 16" pizza cut into 6 slices) plus some other items similarly priced. Main difference is Sams Club food counter is inside where Costco seems to prefer them outside the main entrance.
 
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Multiple things being true at once is such a fundamental thing to grasp in 2025. I'd like to highlight this post on Bluesky by a friend of mine, who just for a little context is a Jewish lawyer.

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"I know this sucks, but he's both Jewish AND a Nazi." Those aren't contradictory statements. And you can't use accusations of anti-semitism to defend Miller's bigotry. You have to be able to hold both ideas in your head at once.

Fundamentally there is no reason to take anyone seriously if they in turn are taking the administration's crusade against anti-semitism seriously. And it doesn't matter what their credentials are.

For example, Deborah Lipstadt is a Holocaust historian, and also a fool.

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The ADL is an Israeli lobbying group, they're no friends of Jews. See their disgusting quibbling over Elon Musk's Nazi salute as Exhibit A, but there are plenty more. It's not anti-Semitic to point this out, as many Jews have been doing.
No disagreement on Stephen Miller -- he is most certainly a Neo-Nazi for all intents and purposes.
As is half of the current Israeli cabinet.
However, while I don't disagree on the utility of the ADL, it most certainly is not an Israeli lobbying group. It's totally run and controlled by American Jews and is part of Bnai Brith. While there's no exact equivalent in English AFAIK, there's a (derogatory) Hebrew verb meaning "to present onesself falsely as a victim", and I recall thinking of them as doing a lot of that when I lived in the US in the early 1990s.

Unfortunately, a lot of the bad things in Israeli politics are defective direct imports from the US, from overt racism (Meir Kahane's JDL tracts are taken straight 1:1 from white-supremacists(), with "Jews" substituted for "whites", ditto the racist party he formed here which was banned after it was elected to the Knesset) through Kahane himself though Netanyahu (brought up in the US) to fake libertarianism (the Kohelet Forum a fake-libertarian(*) "research institute" that supplied the current Israeli "gov't"(***) with its own Project 25 equivalent.

(*) Ironic because Jews are brown. I consider being called white extremely offensive. I also
(**) fake because whenever a libertarian principle clashes with religion, they take the religious-orthodox view. No true libertarian can be religious.
(***) Quoted because it was elected and constituted contrary to local laws and Supreme Court decisions.
 
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OK - confirmation (from someone who has both Costco and Sams Club memberships - Long story but basically due to wife's job).

Overall, both Sams Club and Costco are membership clubs. You have to pay a membership fee to be able to go inside.

Both use the "Open Warehouse" model where it's an open warehouse where the aisles are made up of industrial-size pallet-sized shelves where the floor space is where customers can retrieve goods and the above-floor shelves are pallet holders for storage. Most bulk-style items (like Ranch Dressing 32oz pack of 3 bottles) that would be more appropriate for mom/pop like shops looking for bulk discounts.

The central area is organized for general shopping like a normal store, but is used for seasonal items or specials.

Since buying in bulk does allow for cost savings, just keep in mind when you shop there that consumables are purchased based on your usage. Don't buy the 2ea/1Gallon jugs of milk pack because it's cheaper than Albertsons (per gallon) unless you actually do plan on going through 2 gallons of milk before they expire.

(Center area)
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(Aisle area)
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Occasionally there's a sale that can give you some extra savings.

Also, Costco has specials during the day where they post a portable stand somewhere and hand out samples (usually food samples in bite-size cups) that I haven't seen at Sams Club.

The other difference is Sams Club is part of the Walmart chain. Not sure if Costco is part of a standard retail chain or not.

Both places also have a loss-leader food court (similar to Ikea) where hot dogs+coke is $1.50US and a LARGE slice of pizza is between $1.50-$1.99. (For the pizza slice think 16" pizza cut into 6 slices) plus some other items similarly priced. Main difference is Sams Club food counter is inside where Costco seems to prefer them outside the main entrance.
Got it, sounds like they really are the same. As for whatever chains they're associated with, that doesn't influence me all that much when I don't really get a choice in the matter in the first place. Local businesses are pretty much dead around here.
 
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No disagreement on Stephen Miller -- he is most certainly a Neo-Nazi for all intents and purposes.
As is half of the current Israeli cabinet.
However, while I don't disagree on the utility of the ADL, it most certainly is not an Israeli lobbying group. It's totally run and controlled by American Jews and is part of Bnai Brith. While there's no exact equivalent in English AFAIK, there's a (derogatory) Hebrew verb meaning "to present onesself falsely as a victim", and I recall thinking of them as doing a lot of that when I lived in the US in the early 1990s.
That was my mistake, my brain auto added the i at the end. I meant to type "Israel lobbying group", didn't even notice my mistake until you quoted me and I was going to protest and then saw what I did. Sort of an awkward phrasing on my part anyways tbh, even without the i.

Yes, they are an American group, sorry for the confusion.

What I was trying to express is they have made it clear that they are more interested in lobbying for Israel, as a political entity, than defending Jews, as a people.

It was very disheartening to watch them provide cover for Elon Musk's salute. They should have been unequivocal in denouncing even the potential for that gesture. They were unwilling to do so, presumably because they cared more about their influence with Trump not being hurt. Any respect I had for them was lost, and I think is probably impossible to recover.
 
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That was my mistake, my brain auto added the i at the end. I meant to type "Israel lobbying group", didn't even notice my mistake until you quoted me and I was going to protest and then saw what I did. Sort of an awkward phrasing on my part anyways tbh, even without the i.

Yes, they are an American group, sorry for the confusion.

What I was trying to express is they have made it clear that they are more interested in lobbying for Israel, as a political entity, than defending Jews, as a people.

It was very disheartening to watch them provide cover for Elon Musk's salute. They should have been unequivocal in denouncing even the potential for that gesture. They were unwilling to do so, presumably because they cared more about their influence with Trump not being hurt. Any respect I had for them was lost, and I think is probably impossible to recover.
Ah, you mean the nazi salute the nazi did when he nazi saluted twice, and even grunted?

Let's look at it again:


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We should always call it, in full, a nazi salute every single time we refer to it. It appeared to be one because it was one. We only need look at Musk's own behavior on Twixter over the past few years, what he's said and what he's promoted, along with very pro eugenics statements he's made in interviews, to know EXACTLY what he was doing, and any claim otherwise or that there was even the chance he was doing something else is just "The Card Says Moops".

Just to be totally clear, I'm with you on this, I'm just talking overall strategy and that at this point, every major news site online is about to get heavily sued no matter WHAT they do short of literally praising and agreeing with everything Trump says, so we might as well stop worrying about it and say what's what.
 
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That was my mistake, my brain auto added the i at the end. I meant to type "Israel lobbying group", didn't even notice my mistake until you quoted me and I was going to protest and then saw what I did. Sort of an awkward phrasing on my part anyways tbh, even without the i.

Yes, they are an American group, sorry for the confusion.

What I was trying to express is they have made it clear that they are more interested in lobbying for Israel, as a political entity, than defending Jews, as a people.

It was very disheartening to watch them provide cover for Elon Musk's salute. They should have been unequivocal in denouncing even the potential for that gesture. They were unwilling to do so, presumably because they cared more about their influence with Trump not being hurt. Any respect I had for them was lost, and I think is probably impossible to recover.
I appreciate the clarification, and totally agree on their highly inappropriate cover for Musk's salute. FWIW, while Musk doesn't get a lot of media coverage here compared to the US, noone in the democratic camp (left or right) has any doubts what that salute was. The only people defending him are the declared racists in the cabinet, and some of their supporters.
Tesla sales here dropped 95% from Q1'2024 to Q1'2025, dropping them from #10 sales rank among BEVs to #33, which is pretty telling (and unprecedented for any car brand in a single year).
 
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