Report: Trump admin trying to rein in RFK Jr.’s unpopular anti-vaccine agenda

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Wakefield? ...

You can no more talk them out of their delusions than you could talk a druggie into giving up the syringe. To get to them, intervention is needed. Cult deprogramming and drug rehab.
Yes. My mom was in this later group. At least from 1952 when my sister died of kidney disease. She knew my sister could have been cured if only the docs had tried harder. So she flipped over to the crazy side. And not discussion allowed. She knew the truth because she had read ....

And thus I got to grow up in a strange world with my father on the rational side and my mother on the nut side.

Fun times.
 
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There's some guy named Steven Cheung who seems pretty awful.

Otherwise, we could have lengthy debates about which of the current cabinet members is doing the most harm. Most corrupt? Harmed the most number of people? Did the most lasting damage?
Most miscast. Appearances usually matter in the Orange House (Foxability). But sometimes work experience is key. Steven Cheung did communications and PR for UFC.
He is Orange House Communications Director. A rare Trump-1 survivor (comms), then consulted for 2020 presidential campaign and Caitlyn Jenner's 2021 CA Newsome recall crusade. September 2022 began leading communications for MAGA Inc. super PAC. Then director of communications for Trump's 2024 presidential campaign.
 
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"RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccine agenda curbed as GOP realizes it’s unpopular"

So let me get this straight, we're now making decisions not based on evidence but whether it is popular or unpopular? There is a reason why 'populism' is seen as a pejorative because it is short term vibes based policy and as a consequence of this short term vibes based policy there are measles outbreaks with people dying or if they don't die they face long term health challenges that may not appear for many years. Something tells me that there will be no political consequences for those who voted for RFK Jr nor any political consequences for the Republican Party over all - remember how the Republican Party got the US stuck in two never ending wars and collapsed the economy? 2 years after GWB left the American people gave the Republican Party a majority in both houses all because Obama didn't deliver a utopia in 2 years.
I have an inkling that 77.5 million people being chased like cockroaches into the shadows lest the rest of the economy find a reason to sue and regulate them out of the ability to make a living entirely in all but the reddest bastion stronghold states is going to be more interesting than post-war WWII was for the remaining Nazi-adjacent population.

You have to remember that a significant portion of that population stating their intent to skip voting in 2026 and 2028 entirely isn't to be taken lightly. Not only were their initial goals wrong or misleading to begin with but they realized they both voted for the least competent administration to put all the voting blocs' goals into practice (other than crypto bros stealing and hiding money from the US economy in ponzi schemes and AI) but they also voted for the perpetrators of the atrocities they were trying to prevent.

It would be better if they acknowledged the choice was surrender their conservative identity in order to be able to make a living and put everything behind them, but I don't expect all 77.5 million to conclude they went from trying to fix problems that never existed in the first place to becoming the problem themselves due to Fox News, Facebook and Twitter.

I expect more than a few Gaza protest votes to be committing suicide from cognitive dissonance over current events in Iran on top of Gaza being parking lotted entirely, for instance.

There is no consistent way to impose legal, financial and social consequences on 77.5 million people (Labor camps aren't happening, prison is impractical) but I suspect it's going to be extremely difficult for them to try to vote for this shit again AND social media is actually going to start censoring MAGA and conservatism necessarily at some point for being pedophilia and domestic terrorism-adjacent because if they don't, the liberal controlled US government/states and the rest of the world will have something loud to say about picking apart the rest of the American service economy with Canada and Mexico up front first.

It's going to be beyond 2032 for all that to play out, especially if the Democratic Party fucks up and doesn't design a near-revolutionary mirror to Project 2032 or make a couple moonshots for Constitutional Conventions to shunt the country toward Democratic Socialism once there's no unified fascist resistance to the idea, but at some point the GOP as a political institution gets dismantled or the USA gets treated and sanctioned like Russia necessarily.
 
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So.... thank goodness for pollsters??

Sad that the reason that RFK is being "reigned in" is that is quackery doesn't poll well, rather than the fact that it's costing lives. But at this point, I suppose I'll take what I can get.
Cultists are not rational. Trying to analyze their bizarre antics in a rational way will always fail. You can't reason someone out of a position that they did not use reason to get into. I have talked with some of the RFK Jr. cultists and they will even tell you that nothing he does, or what you say can ever change their minds. Orange Mussolini also has a cult following, as do LLM AI chatbots. Some people are simply addicted to religion, in any form. They find that being detached from reality is far more comfortable than actually facing reality. As an astronomer said many years ago: "If you start to show someone how to destroy their own power of reason, some will eagerly finish the job on their own."
https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-apocalypse-dfb0aa9e5e96c583461bdd56fb21568a
https://appliedintelligence.substack.com/p/the-dangerof-falling-for-new-religions
https://www.latimes.com/business/st...nding-tech-is-sounding-increasingly-religious
https://www.reuters.com/technology/...ts-how-ai-is-fusing-with-religion-2026-02-07/
 
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We need an absolute, ironclad guarantee from the next non-Republican president that Kennedy will be criminally prosecuted. And if not convicted by a jury will be rendered to Guantanamo Bay military prison as a matter of national security.
Kennedy needs to be prosecuted and face jail time for endangering public safety. There is no other solution to the rot that ails the American public.
I have no love for RFK, Jr., and I think he has dishonored his father's legacy. But what charges would you suggest be brought that a) could get past a grand jury and b) could get past a trial jury? And by what charges, I mean exactly what part of 18 USC or any other criminal statutes would you suggest be used? There is no federal criminal statute that I can find that would cover "endangering public safety." Kennedy is exercising the powers provided to the office he holds within his discretion. Even if there were a statute, most government officials get qualified immunity for actions they take while in office pursuant to carrying out the duties of the office.

He could be impeached and removed, should Congress decide to actually exercise its power for the first time in 30+ years. And any prosecution that follows would not be pardonable by any president. But he has not technically committed any crimes that I can find.
 
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So let me get this straight, we're now making decisions not based on evidence but whether it is popular or unpopular?
If that's the GOP's mindset, I'd just like to say that seizing Elon Musk's fortune and distributing it to the general population of the US would be wildly popular with almost all of the population, so ...
 
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RZetopan

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People always make a lot of noise but when they are sick they call 911 not a psychic.
Not everyone. There are plenty of irrational stupid people who will consult with psychics, and no end to the number of latter con-artists. Do a search for "people consult psychic after illness" and you will receive at least hundreds of hits on Google or DuckDuckGo. You can even get AI psychic advice about your real of perceived illness (two cons for the price of one!).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...xas-child-dead-parents-anti-vax-b2718899.html
https://people.com/measles-child-death-texas-parents-pediatrician-reponds-11701359
https://www.7thsensepsychics.com/stories/health-insights-through-psychic-readings-what-to-expect/
https://www.billbradleyreadings.com/all-services
https://wisdomofthespirit.com/spiritual-meaning-of-illness/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3-RGVuC4PY

etc...
 
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Helernus

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"slashing the CDC’s childhood vaccine schedule from 17 immunizations down to 11 to be in line with recommendations of Denmark, a much smaller country with a relatively homogenous population and universal health care."
What does population size and homogeneity have to do with a less stringent vaccine schedule?
 
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Outside of Stephen Miller, I suspect you'll have a hard time finding someone worse than Kennedy. The dude is maliciously evil, someone following the more traditional Trump mold of completely incompetent and eye-wateringly stupid would be a step up.

No, unfortunately that is not the case. I hold as an example, DOGE.
The abolition of USAID alone carries a death tally of well over half a million dead children over the last year alone. The first cuts of DOGE found that the people tasked to count and keep the US nuclear arsenal were redundant.

Eye-watering stupidity at the reigns of power can only be matched in malicious outcomes by religious fanaticism. A truly evil person at the helm who is also intelligent? May be evil but above all, would also want results less likely to see them toppled or thrown under the bus by the concerted efforts of a population driven desperate because they were suddenly starving in a country which never, up until they began watering the crops with soda, produced less than five times what its citizenry could possibly eat.
 
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Here in the UK the Conservatives have been sabotaging the NHS since it's inception, and the public at large turn a blind eye..

Now that is news to me. And googling a bit about it, I see why; the tories are at least lying about trying to fix it, not saying that it needs to be abolished.
 
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Somewhere around half the active voters understand this,...

That's sort of my point. Half of the active voters keep coming back to vote for the politicians who keep fucking them over in a manner so obvious the only analogy I have is that of Charlie Brown trying to kick that famous football;

Charlie-Brown-flip.jpg


Grown people. Adults. Yet for their entire lives they've just kept voting for the evil asshole bending them over without lube.
Intellectually, I know why, of course; half the US voters - that third of the US population - would be willing to see themselves and their families reduced to living out of a cardboard box under a bridge, roasting pigeons on a curtain rod as long as the next bridge under there's a gay man, a brown person, or a godless liberal, in a similar cardboard box but without a pigeon.

...but the problem exists with the Senate. Structurally, the Senate makeup generally favors Republicans thanks to a large number of incredibly conservative but low population states that. Procedurally, for some reason we require a 60 vote majority in the Senate to bring a bill to the floor for a passage vote that only requires a simple majority. And that 60 vote rule is just a rule adopted by the Senate every Congress, it isn't part of US law, the Constitution, or anything of that nature.

Coupled together, those two things make it easy for Republicans to obstruct positive progress and destroy things through neglect or bad faith concessions, but very difficult for Democrats to build or rebuild things.

...which again brings us back to the 40% of the US population which does not vote.
Every nation has assholes. Maybe not as openly malicious, stupid and deranged as the republican base...but we do have them.
It's just that almost everywhere else, what we do not have is almost half our total population so apathetic, ignorant and/or uncaring that they can not be arsed to vote against those set to make their own lives and those of untold others utterly miserable.

Not much needs to be said about the third of the US population who are irredeemable assholes. It's all been said.
The part of the US population which can't be arsed to even try to vote that third down, however, is why I keep coming back to the question as to just what is wrong on a fundamental level, with those clowns.
 
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Now that is news to me. And googling a bit about it, I see why; the tories are at least lying about trying to fix it, not saying that it needs to be abolished.
That's because the US provides more than enough examples* of why even a deliberately broken NHS is preferable to the US system. Trying to sell the electorate on changing is the political equivalent of "Feeling cold? Why not set yourself on fire!"

*both real and fictional, like Breaking Bad
 
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Honest question: How is the size of Denmark relevant here? I've seen this mentioned in other reporting too, but don't understand the reason why people mention this.
"Smaller" fits with the rest of the sentence, but ... ease of repeat visits for followup, perhaps.

... to be in line with recommendations of Denmark, a much smaller country with a relatively homogenous population and universal health care.
 
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Most miscast. Appearances usually matter in the Orange House (Foxability). But sometimes work experience is key. Steven Cheung did communications and PR for UFC.
He is Orange House Communications Director.
A rare Trump-1 survivor (comms), then consulted for 2020 presidential campaign and Caitlyn Jenner's 2021 CA Newsome recall crusade. September 2022 began leading communications for MAGA Inc. super PAC. Then director of communications for Trump's 2024 presidential campaign.

He also seems to be some weird cross between a North Korean news anchor and Baghdad Bob. It's unclear how much of what he vomits up he believes in, but he is whole-heartedly committed to the bit.
 
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That's sort of my point. Half of the active voters keep coming back to vote for the politicians who keep fucking them over in a manner so obvious the only analogy I have is that of Charlie Brown trying to kick that famous football;

Charlie-Brown-flip.jpg


Grown people. Adults. Yet for their entire lives they've just kept voting for the evil asshole bending them over without lube.
Intellectually, I know why, of course; half the US voters - that third of the US population - would be willing to see themselves and their families reduced to living out of a cardboard box under a bridge, roasting pigeons on a curtain rod as long as the next bridge under there's a gay man, a brown person, or a godless liberal, in a similar cardboard box but without a pigeon.



...which again brings us back to the 40% of the US population which does not vote.
Every nation has assholes. Maybe not as openly malicious, stupid and deranged as the republican base...but we do have them.
It's just that almost everywhere else, what we do not have is almost half our total population so apathetic, ignorant and/or uncaring that they can not be arsed to vote against those set to make their own lives and those of untold others utterly miserable.

Not much needs to be said about the third of the US population who are irredeemable assholes. It's all been said.
The part of the US population which can't be arsed to even try to vote that third down, however, is why I keep coming back to the question as to just what is wrong on a fundamental level, with those clowns.

I get where you were going with it, my only objection was to your painting with too broad a brush by my reading. Because this isn't on all Americans. But you are right that a majority of the voting-eligible population is either apathetic or too dumb to understand they're being conned, to the detriment of all of us.
 
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I find that remark to be in very Bad Taste.
I for one am not going to volunteer to go on a pure rotting whale and rancid roadkill diet, while marinating in raw sewage, just to ensure I taste suitably spicy. Did I mention the bit about refusing to use tannery waste overflow on my skin?
 
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“Republicans warn that further attacks on lifesaving vaccines could harm the party during the midterms”

Republicans, your party is already irrecoverably harmed for the midterms. There is no coming back from the sustained levels of bellicose, destructive idiocy that the public has witnessed in Trump 2.0. Firing all of the individual idiots before the election is nice to watch, but it’s not going to save you.
 
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Sorry, GOP, we're all going to remember who enabled the worm.
I'm sure the committee would've cited quack doctor Ladapo's fraudulent publication about mRNA vaccines.
Will we though?

I thought enough people would remember in 2020, but apparently the price of eggs makes people forget.
 
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Will we though?

I thought enough people would remember in 2020, but apparently the price of eggs makes people forget.
It depends on what you mean by "we." I will surely remember. But those people who voted to put a convicted felon in charge of appointing judges; I have questions about both their memory and their reasoning ability.
 
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Wow, when your party is dropping bunker-busters on schools, destabilising the entire middle east to the point where it threatens to embroil the entire world in a third war (that we can only hope and pray remains a conventional war), whilst at the same time making a strong case for renewable power by doing something so idiotic that it's tanked the world's oil supply, having them think that your policies might hurt it in the mid-terms you've might be a sign that maybe you should take s step back, look at yourself in the mirror and ask, "Am I the arse-hole?"
 
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