Page Six says Disney wants reshoots on Rogue One: A Star Wars Story

Despite strong trailer, Disney reportedly wants more control over upcoming flick.

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[auxilio]

Doc Spector[/url]":99hc54ww]

graylshaped[/url]":99hc54ww]

Doc Spector[/url]":99hc54ww]

Sancticide[/url]":99hc54ww]

DarkNataku[/url]":99hc54ww]So what no Force powers and light sabers equals boring movie. It's a heist movie that will not end well for a lot of people. Your going to rewrite the Star Wars time line.

Yeah, damn them for trying to make a different movie where non-space-wizards have to stand on their own. Look, I love Jedi as much as the next fan, but a standalone movie without Jedi heroes is a great idea. Sorry. The universe is big enough to have stories that don't rely on the Jedi.

The movie they should have made, instead of either of the movies they did make, starts out in a Corellian orphanage as a small boy is dropped off. He grows up, learning how to fend for himself with his wits when he can, and with his fists when he can't. He enrolls in the Corellian Flight Academy, where he is very successful but gets washed out when he refuses to participate in a coverup. Alone, broke, he looks for work as a pilot, saving his money to buy a ship of his own. In one of his delivery flights, he discovers that he's carrying slaves. Nope. Rather than deliver them as ordered, he returns them to their home planet where their families swear a life-debt to him. However, his now former employer is none-to-pleased to discover that the delivery was aborted. Blackballed, he takes what money he has and gambles it all on winning a ship of his own. Now as captain and pilot of his own freighter, he goes legit... or tries to, anyway. He and his first mate barely make enough to survive, and what little profit they have goes into the ship. Finally, he finds work as a smuggler, making the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs. But even the best smugglers eventually get boarded, and he's had to dump the illicit spice cargo he was carrying to get through the inspection. Now in debt to a crime lord, he settles into a cantina in a dusty backwater planet, hoping to find some paying customers...

No Jedi. No Sith. No lightsabers. No politics. Just spaceships, the occasional shootout, and a trusty blaster by your side.

That Christmas you got a sweater when you really wanted a pony left its mark, huh.

Dude, Star Wars left you cold from the get-go, as you imply in another post about the plot-holes in A New Hope. Why are you in this thread?

Because you don't know what you're talking about, jack.

As an adult, I am fully capable of enjoying a movie for what it is, and to recognize what it isn't. Come back when you grow up, too.

Plot holes in ANH:
Why doesn't Vader recognize Luke as his son when they are near each other?
Why doesn't Vader recognize Leia is his son, at all, until near the end, two movies later.
The Millennium Falcon gets caught in a tractor beam when it is a considerable distance away from the Death Star. Why did they let it get close enough to shoot at Vader's wingmen?
The Death Star arrives at the rebel base, but cannot fire on the base because there's a planet in the way. Um... aren't they riding in a planet-destroying space station?
The Imperials plan to let the heroes escape with Princess Leia, to lead them to the hidden rebel base. This creates two unrelated plot holes: First, they know the only way off the detention level is through the garbage masher. Why is the unit still active? Doesn't their plan fail if the heroes get mashed? Second, Princess Leia knows the Imperials let them escape... so she goes straight to the rebel base? Why not, say stop off, and hitch a ride with another ship, while Han flies to ever two-bit planet on the periphery?

The target is a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port, at the end of a long trench. Why don't they just fly above the surface to the end of the trench, stop, and line up their shot really, really carefully. Flying down the trench just makes them easier to kill. (This one, at least, is salvageable... there are turbo lasers all over the surface, but they can't shoot down below the surface, so flying down the trench gives them the safest approach. Except... the turrents are shown shooting down the trench. No, the Rebel Alliance just has really, really bad tacticians.

While we're talking about unbelievable plot holes, bring up other things that don't make sense. The Sentient robots? The Force? Faster than light travel? Short commute between planets?

Or perhaps you should just accept it's an entertaining that isn't meant to have an airtight plot. It has emotion, something the prequels lack. Again, I direct you to Plinkett's reviews.

 

[Doc Spector]

auxilio[/url]":2s088pzs]

Doc Spector[/url]":2s088pzs]

graylshaped[/url]":2s088pzs]

Doc Spector[/url]":2s088pzs]

Sancticide[/url]":2s088pzs]

DarkNataku[/url]":2s088pzs]So what no Force powers and light sabers equals boring movie. It's a heist movie that will not end well for a lot of people. Your going to rewrite the Star Wars time line.

Yeah, damn them for trying to make a different movie where non-space-wizards have to stand on their own. Look, I love Jedi as much as the next fan, but a standalone movie without Jedi heroes is a great idea. Sorry. The universe is big enough to have stories that don't rely on the Jedi.

The movie they should have made, instead of either of the movies they did make, starts out in a Corellian orphanage as a small boy is dropped off. He grows up, learning how to fend for himself with his wits when he can, and with his fists when he can't. He enrolls in the Corellian Flight Academy, where he is very successful but gets washed out when he refuses to participate in a coverup. Alone, broke, he looks for work as a pilot, saving his money to buy a ship of his own. In one of his delivery flights, he discovers that he's carrying slaves. Nope. Rather than deliver them as ordered, he returns them to their home planet where their families swear a life-debt to him. However, his now former employer is none-to-pleased to discover that the delivery was aborted. Blackballed, he takes what money he has and gambles it all on winning a ship of his own. Now as captain and pilot of his own freighter, he goes legit... or tries to, anyway. He and his first mate barely make enough to survive, and what little profit they have goes into the ship. Finally, he finds work as a smuggler, making the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs. But even the best smugglers eventually get boarded, and he's had to dump the illicit spice cargo he was carrying to get through the inspection. Now in debt to a crime lord, he settles into a cantina in a dusty backwater planet, hoping to find some paying customers...

No Jedi. No Sith. No lightsabers. No politics. Just spaceships, the occasional shootout, and a trusty blaster by your side.

That Christmas you got a sweater when you really wanted a pony left its mark, huh.

Dude, Star Wars left you cold from the get-go, as you imply in another post about the plot-holes in A New Hope. Why are you in this thread?

Because you don't know what you're talking about, jack.

As an adult, I am fully capable of enjoying a movie for what it is, and to recognize what it isn't. Come back when you grow up, too.

Plot holes in ANH:
Why doesn't Vader recognize Luke as his son when they are near each other?
Why doesn't Vader recognize Leia is his son, at all, until near the end, two movies later.
The Millennium Falcon gets caught in a tractor beam when it is a considerable distance away from the Death Star. Why did they let it get close enough to shoot at Vader's wingmen?
The Death Star arrives at the rebel base, but cannot fire on the base because there's a planet in the way. Um... aren't they riding in a planet-destroying space station?
The Imperials plan to let the heroes escape with Princess Leia, to lead them to the hidden rebel base. This creates two unrelated plot holes: First, they know the only way off the detention level is through the garbage masher. Why is the unit still active? Doesn't their plan fail if the heroes get mashed? Second, Princess Leia knows the Imperials let them escape... so she goes straight to the rebel base? Why not, say stop off, and hitch a ride with another ship, while Han flies to ever two-bit planet on the periphery?

The target is a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port, at the end of a long trench. Why don't they just fly above the surface to the end of the trench, stop, and line up their shot really, really carefully. Flying down the trench just makes them easier to kill. (This one, at least, is salvageable... there are turbo lasers all over the surface, but they can't shoot down below the surface, so flying down the trench gives them the safest approach. Except... the turrents are shown shooting down the trench. No, the Rebel Alliance just has really, really bad tacticians.

While we're talking about unbelievable plot holes, bring up other things that don't make sense. The Sentient robots? The Force? Faster than light travel? Short commute between planets?

It's fantasy, jack.

Or perhaps you should just accept it's an entertaining that isn't meant to have an airtight plot.

Not only do I "just accept" this, it was the point of the previous post. The one you quoted. Twit.

 

[Hulmux]

Lee L[/url]":3r0pjlc9]A bit more info at Hollywood Reporter. Some good, some not as good, depending on your POV I guess. All in all not as bad sounding emergency IMO as the NYT article. But a couple of things mentioned they want to change give me a little pause. Obviously, could be spoilers if true. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ars-898562

Here I was ready to jump on the rage bandwagon but after reading that I can see Disney's point. I lay down my pitchfork.

 

[Gibborim]

Oh good, the people who took a big, steaming shit all over the second Avengers movie are here to help again!

 

[microfridge]

gaballard[/url]":1dy6l730]

Why do we put up with "movie execs"? Why!

Because movie executives provide or procure the millions of dollars necessary to make a feature film. No one is saying the average movie executive is a rocket scientist, but they do have a job other than "ruin things".

Sure, but the problem with executives (and people in positions of power in general) is that they conflate personal excellence in some areas with excellence in *all* areas including often unrelated things like creativity and humor.

 

[anonArs]

Reshoots and pick-up shoots themselves are very, very common, so that fact alone shouldn't worry anyone.

It'd probably be more surprising if a major movie didn't have at least some.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Captain America: Civil War (and most, if not all other Marvel films), The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, Harry Potter, the list goes on and on...

 

[graylshaped]

Doc Spector[/url]":2niizc1g]

graylshaped[/url]":2niizc1g]

Doc Spector[/url]":2niizc1g]

Sancticide[/url]":2niizc1g]

DarkNataku[/url]":2niizc1g]So what no Force powers and light sabers equals boring movie. It's a heist movie that will not end well for a lot of people. Your going to rewrite the Star Wars time line.

Yeah, damn them for trying to make a different movie where non-space-wizards have to stand on their own. Look, I love Jedi as much as the next fan, but a standalone movie without Jedi heroes is a great idea. Sorry. The universe is big enough to have stories that don't rely on the Jedi.

The movie they should have made, instead of either of the movies they did make, starts out in a Corellian orphanage as a small boy is dropped off. He grows up, learning how to fend for himself with his wits when he can, and with his fists when he can't. He enrolls in the Corellian Flight Academy, where he is very successful but gets washed out when he refuses to participate in a coverup. Alone, broke, he looks for work as a pilot, saving his money to buy a ship of his own. In one of his delivery flights, he discovers that he's carrying slaves. Nope. Rather than deliver them as ordered, he returns them to their home planet where their families swear a life-debt to him. However, his now former employer is none-to-pleased to discover that the delivery was aborted. Blackballed, he takes what money he has and gambles it all on winning a ship of his own. Now as captain and pilot of his own freighter, he goes legit... or tries to, anyway. He and his first mate barely make enough to survive, and what little profit they have goes into the ship. Finally, he finds work as a smuggler, making the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs. But even the best smugglers eventually get boarded, and he's had to dump the illicit spice cargo he was carrying to get through the inspection. Now in debt to a crime lord, he settles into a cantina in a dusty backwater planet, hoping to find some paying customers...

No Jedi. No Sith. No lightsabers. No politics. Just spaceships, the occasional shootout, and a trusty blaster by your side.

That Christmas you got a sweater when you really wanted a pony left its mark, huh.

Dude, Star Wars left you cold from the get-go, as you imply in another post about the plot-holes in A New Hope. Why are you in this thread?

Because you don't know what you're talking about, jack.

As an adult, I am fully capable of enjoying a movie for what it is, and to recognize what it isn't. Come back when you grow up, too.

Plot holes in ANH:
Why doesn't Vader recognize Luke as his son when they are near each other?
Why doesn't Vader recognize Leia is his son, at all, until near the end, two movies later.
The Millennium Falcon gets caught in a tractor beam when it is a considerable distance away from the Death Star. Why did they let it get close enough to shoot at Vader's wingmen?
The Death Star arrives at the rebel base, but cannot fire on the base because there's a planet in the way. Um... aren't they riding in a planet-destroying space station?
The Imperials plan to let the heroes escape with Princess Leia, to lead them to the hidden rebel base. This creates two unrelated plot holes: First, they know the only way off the detention level is through the garbage masher. Why is the unit still active? Doesn't their plan fail if the heroes get mashed? Second, Princess Leia knows the Imperials let them escape... so she goes straight to the rebel base? Why not, say stop off, and hitch a ride with another ship, while Han flies to ever two-bit planet on the periphery?

The target is a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port, at the end of a long trench. Why don't they just fly above the surface to the end of the trench, stop, and line up their shot really, really carefully. Flying down the trench just makes them easier to kill. (This one, at least, is salvageable... there are turbo lasers all over the surface, but they can't shoot down below the surface, so flying down the trench gives them the safest approach. Except... the turrents are shown shooting down the trench. No, the Rebel Alliance just has really, really bad tacticians.

Wow, you REALLY wanted that pony.

You've spewed nothing but disdain for All Things Star Wars throughout this thread. I don't need your bullet-point list of why it bugs you. Clearly it does.

And clearly you have the potential to be An Important Author, based on the improvements to what others have done that you are offering.

Why are you investing your precious creative time in this thread?

 

[Gibborim]

While we're talking about unbelievable plot holes, bring up other things that don't make sense. The Sentient robots? The Force? Faster than light travel? Short commute between planets?

Or perhaps you should just accept it's an entertaining that isn't meant to have an airtight plot. It has emotion, something the prequels lack. Again, I direct you to Plinkett's reviews.

There is a large difference between the premise of a movie not being totally realistic and the writing being terrible.


Premise: Space Wizards in snub-fighters battling for the fate of the galaxy. Mixture of sci-fi/fantasy trappings included.

Terrible writing: Why does a small Neo-Empire exist without the Republic caring? And how could they possibly have built a full planet sized super weapon when it took the Empire, in near total control of the galaxy, nearly 20 years to construct something about 75 miles in diameter?


Premise: Mavel superheroes exist and they fight a variety of foes for the fate of the Earth.

Terrible writing: Several characters have broken off to go on a cave vision-quest that has nothing to do with the current movie/events. Black Widow goes baby-crazy and thinks she is a monster on par with the Hulk because she can't have a baby with the Hulk.


Do you see how one separates an unrealistic premise from poor writing? And if you can't, why are you even commenting on a thread about a Star Wars movie?

 

[therealeffingaeiouy]

Doc Spector[/url]":x3pl820l]

fatpugsley[/url]":x3pl820l]

ars diavoli[/url]":x3pl820l]
In other words, our hope for a darker, grittier Star Wars film for adults was just shot down.

Because we need another set of films just like The Dark Night. Man of Steel et al weren't enough.

Somebody doesn't like movies made for grownups.

Do you think the Nolan movies were films made for grown ups? I enjoyed them but claiming they are movies for grown ups?

 

[Doc Spector]

graylshaped[/url]":1qhao3e7]You've spewed nothing but disdain for All Things Star Wars throughout this thread. I don't need your bullet-point list of why it bugs you. Clearly it does.

You don't read well, do you?

 

[Doc Spector]

therealeffingaeiouy[/url]":2mdtogmd]

Doc Spector[/url]":2mdtogmd]

fatpugsley[/url]":2mdtogmd]

ars diavoli[/url]":2mdtogmd]
In other words, our hope for a darker, grittier Star Wars film for adults was just shot down.

Because we need another set of films just like The Dark Night. Man of Steel et al weren't enough.

Somebody doesn't like movies made for grownups.

Do you think the Nolan movies were films made for grown ups? I enjoyed them but claiming they are movies for grown ups?

Expand the quote block until you find
"In other words, our hope for a darker, grittier Star Wars film for adults was just shot down."

grownups=adults.

 

[Doc Spector]

SirPerro[/url]":181r2k9t]

Hulmux[/url]":181r2k9t]

Lee L[/url]":181r2k9t]A bit more info at Hollywood Reporter. Some good, some not as good, depending on your POV I guess. All in all not as bad sounding emergency IMO as the NYT article. But a couple of things mentioned they want to change give me a little pause. Obviously, could be spoilers if true. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ars-898562

Here I was ready to jump on the rage bandwagon but after reading that I can see Disney's point. I lay down my pitchfork.

From the article

"Disney re-introduced audiences to Star Wars with Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which garnered excellent reviews and grossed over $2 billion worldwide"

Excellent reviews? That film was insulting

$2 billion dollars is the most excellent review they could get, and the only one they care about.

 

[berrardo]

The artists have to be convinced to make feature-length movies so that they can be chopped up into one 12- and thirteen 6-minute chunks. Cable TV needs to fit 6 or 8 commercials in between those chunks. The tasteless fucks completely ruin the narrative flow, the timing, any emotional resonances ... but hey, it's just business.

Compared to that level of sacrilege, mere studio control over what's acceptable for the big screen is child's play.

 

[Roguish]

Well, the good news is that it made it all the way to a full cut before they started making changes (good or bad, who knows?) to the original 'vision'. In 5-10 years when they want to sell us all another copy of the movie they'll bundle the original cut along with it as incentive, especially if the rework turns the theater release into a turd.

 

[seraphimcaduto]

So basically this is similar to the plot of Rebel Dawn in the Han Solo trilogy in that all the commandos die transmitting the data? Feels like it's the same idea, just much more grandiose. Kinda surprised the reference never came up, despite it being branded part of the "legends" novels.

 

[yago2k]

Telwar[/url]":2jw0h7af]

auxilio[/url]":2jw0h7af]

Doc Spector[/url]":2jw0h7af]

So did my 12 year old cousin. Until I showed him Mr Plinkett's review.

Sorry, Phantom Menace had awful editing, awful plot, poor dialogue, boring emotionless action. There's so many things wrong with it.

I know that technically TPM was a meh movie at best, a very good illustration of why Lucas is an idea man and not a very good filmmaker, [...]

For God's sake, somebody put a stop on that commonplace.

Lucas directed THX1138, American Graffity and Star Wars. 3 instant classics. He was Editor and Producer of the Indiana Jones saga (funnily enough, he isn't credited as Editor at all The Crystal Skull... just sayin') and he produced some "minor" stuff like Akira Kurosawa's Kagemusha or Body Heat. The guys knows more and it's a better filmmaker than most alive directors. And his involvement in Empire and Jedi goes a bit further than having "the idea". Just watch any of the myriad of documentaries on the making off the Star Wars trilogy... he co-wrote and co-directed Ep V and VI, in every conceivable way except for figuring in the credits as so.

Yes, the prequels where a train wreck for many reasons. The best directors sometimes do crap. Coppola directed Jack and Twixt. Kubrick directed Eyes Wide Shut. Spielberg has bagged it more than once in his career. Lucas only crime is that he messed up with the Holy Bible of Fandom (of which I'm an ardent believer) but that doesn't discredit every good movie he's done in his career.

 

[SixDegrees]

yago2k[/url]":17mpnu1y]

Telwar[/url]":17mpnu1y]

auxilio[/url]":17mpnu1y]

Doc Spector[/url]":17mpnu1y]

So did my 12 year old cousin. Until I showed him Mr Plinkett's review.

Sorry, Phantom Menace had awful editing, awful plot, poor dialogue, boring emotionless action. There's so many things wrong with it.

I know that technically TPM was a meh movie at best, a very good illustration of why Lucas is an idea man and not a very good filmmaker, [...]

For God's sake, somebody put a stop on that commonplace.

Lucas directed THX1138, American Graffity and Star Wars. 3 instant classics. He was Editor and Producer of the Indiana Jones saga (funnily enough, he isn't credited as Editor at all The Crystal Skull... just sayin') and he produced some "minor" stuff like Akira Kurosawa's Kagemusha or Body Heat. The guys knows more and it's a better filmmaker than most alive directors. And his involvement in Empire and Jedi goes a bit further than having "the idea". Just watch any of the myriad of documentaries on the making off the Star Wars trilogy... he co-wrote and co-directed Ep V and VI, in every conceivable way except for figuring in the credits as so.

Yes, the prequels where a train wreck for many reasons. The best directors sometimes do crap. Coppola directed Jack and Twixt. Kubrick directed Eyes Wide Shut. Spielberg has bagged it more than once in his career. Lucas only crime is that he messed up with the Holy Bible of Fandom (of which I'm an ardent believer) but that doesn't discredit every good movie he's done in his career.

Lucas is shit without an editor to rein him in. With a studio keeping him firmly in check, he has produced good stuff. Left to his own devices and surrounded by a yes-men echo chamber (SW eps 3 - 6) he utterly sucks, and that's what the world is going to remember about him - that when undisciplined, he's an unmitigated hack.

 

[seekified]

Sancticide[/url]":2s6xioni]

DarkNataku[/url]":2s6xioni]So what no Force powers and light sabers equals boring movie. It's a heist movie that will not end well for a lot of people. Your going to rewrite the Star Wars time line.

Yeah, damn them for trying to make a different movie where non-space-wizards have to stand on their own. Look, I love Jedi as much as the next fan, but a standalone movie without Jedi heroes is a great idea. Sorry. The universe is big enough to have stories that don't rely on the Jedi.

I agree. Having read most of the stories about Kyle Katarn and Corran Horn, I can safely say I enjoy their non-jedi segments a lot more.

 

[yago2k]

SixDegrees[/url]":1ddtmaie]

yago2k[/url]":1ddtmaie]

Telwar[/url]":1ddtmaie]

auxilio[/url]":1ddtmaie]

Doc Spector[/url]":1ddtmaie]

So did my 12 year old cousin. Until I showed him Mr Plinkett's review.

Sorry, Phantom Menace had awful editing, awful plot, poor dialogue, boring emotionless action. There's so many things wrong with it.

I know that technically TPM was a meh movie at best, a very good illustration of why Lucas is an idea man and not a very good filmmaker, [...]

For God's sake, somebody put a stop on that commonplace.

Lucas directed THX1138, American Graffity and Star Wars. 3 instant classics. He was Editor and Producer of the Indiana Jones saga (funnily enough, he isn't credited as Editor at all The Crystal Skull... just sayin') and he produced some "minor" stuff like Akira Kurosawa's Kagemusha or Body Heat. The guys knows more and it's a better filmmaker than most alive directors. And his involvement in Empire and Jedi goes a bit further than having "the idea". Just watch any of the myriad of documentaries on the making off the Star Wars trilogy... he co-wrote and co-directed Ep V and VI, in every conceivable way except for figuring in the credits as so.

Yes, the prequels where a train wreck for many reasons. The best directors sometimes do crap. Coppola directed Jack and Twixt. Kubrick directed Eyes Wide Shut. Spielberg has bagged it more than once in his career. Lucas only crime is that he messed up with the Holy Bible of Fandom (of which I'm an ardent believer) but that doesn't discredit every good movie he's done in his career.

Lucas is shit without an editor to rein him in. With a studio keeping him firmly in check, he has produced good stuff. Left to his own devices and surrounded by a yes-men echo chamber (SW eps 3 - 6) he utterly sucks, and that's what the world is going to remember about him - that when undisciplined, he's an unmitigated hack.

People really overstate the role Fox or anybody else had in Ep IV.

Lucas cheated and lied all the way to get Fox's money with as little involvement from them as materially possible. As far as I've read and watched from all the making-off material of Star Wars, there was no editor reigning him, no imposition from the executives he didn't circumvent and any deviation from "his vision" wasn't due to some mythical Editor (later absent on Ep I - III) putting order into all that chaos, but due to budget and time constraints.

 

[SixDegrees]

yago2k[/url]":r1fsmbar]

SixDegrees[/url]":r1fsmbar]

yago2k[/url]":r1fsmbar]

Telwar[/url]":r1fsmbar]

auxilio[/url]":r1fsmbar]

Doc Spector[/url]":r1fsmbar]

So did my 12 year old cousin. Until I showed him Mr Plinkett's review.

Sorry, Phantom Menace had awful editing, awful plot, poor dialogue, boring emotionless action. There's so many things wrong with it.

I know that technically TPM was a meh movie at best, a very good illustration of why Lucas is an idea man and not a very good filmmaker, [...]

For God's sake, somebody put a stop on that commonplace.

Lucas directed THX1138, American Graffity and Star Wars. 3 instant classics. He was Editor and Producer of the Indiana Jones saga (funnily enough, he isn't credited as Editor at all The Crystal Skull... just sayin') and he produced some "minor" stuff like Akira Kurosawa's Kagemusha or Body Heat. The guys knows more and it's a better filmmaker than most alive directors. And his involvement in Empire and Jedi goes a bit further than having "the idea". Just watch any of the myriad of documentaries on the making off the Star Wars trilogy... he co-wrote and co-directed Ep V and VI, in every conceivable way except for figuring in the credits as so.

Yes, the prequels where a train wreck for many reasons. The best directors sometimes do crap. Coppola directed Jack and Twixt. Kubrick directed Eyes Wide Shut. Spielberg has bagged it more than once in his career. Lucas only crime is that he messed up with the Holy Bible of Fandom (of which I'm an ardent believer) but that doesn't discredit every good movie he's done in his career.

Lucas is shit without an editor to rein him in. With a studio keeping him firmly in check, he has produced good stuff. Left to his own devices and surrounded by a yes-men echo chamber (SW eps 3 - 6) he utterly sucks, and that's what the world is going to remember about him - that when undisciplined, he's an unmitigated hack.

People really overstate the role Fox or anybody else had in Ep IV.

Lucas cheated and lied all the way to get Fox's money with as little involvement from them as materially possible. As far as I've read and watched from all the making-off material of Star Wars, there was no editor reigning him, no imposition from the executives he didn't circumvent and any deviation from "his vision" wasn't due to some mythical Editor (later absent on Ep I - III) putting order into all that chaos, but due to budget and time constraints.

Sorry, I wasn't at all clear. I always number these films chronologically, by release date. Lucas' insistence on post-facto numbering them is another wretched mistake. Using Lucas Notation, I was referring to eps 1-3, plus 6.

The chronological ordering makes Lucas' descent into drivel over time much more clear.

 

[Doc Spector]

yago2k[/url]":2m8s29qj]

Telwar[/url]":2m8s29qj]

auxilio[/url]":2m8s29qj]

Doc Spector[/url]":2m8s29qj]

So did my 12 year old cousin. Until I showed him Mr Plinkett's review.

Sorry, Phantom Menace had awful editing, awful plot, poor dialogue, boring emotionless action. There's so many things wrong with it.

I know that technically TPM was a meh movie at best, a very good illustration of why Lucas is an idea man and not a very good filmmaker, [...]

For God's sake, somebody put a stop on that commonplace.

Lucas directed THX1138, American Graffity and Star Wars. 3 instant classics. He was Editor and Producer of the Indiana Jones saga (funnily enough, he isn't credited as Editor at all The Crystal Skull... just sayin') and he produced some "minor" stuff like Akira Kurosawa's Kagemusha or Body Heat. The guys knows more and it's a better filmmaker than most alive directors. And his involvement in Empire and Jedi goes a bit further than having "the idea". Just watch any of the myriad of documentaries on the making off the Star Wars trilogy... he co-wrote and co-directed Ep V and VI, in every conceivable way except for figuring in the credits as so.

Yes, the prequels where a train wreck for many reasons. The best directors sometimes do crap. Coppola directed Jack and Twixt. Kubrick directed Eyes Wide Shut. Spielberg has bagged it more than once in his career. Lucas only crime is that he messed up with the Holy Bible of Fandom (of which I'm an ardent believer) but that doesn't discredit every good movie he's done in his career.

THX1138 is an "instant classic"? Let me check your dictionary... I think somebody's tampered with yours. American Graffiti, sure. Thing is, I don't think he's as interested in the making of commercially-successful films (though, obviously, he HAS made a few bucks along the way) as he is in the technical aspects of filmmaking... and fairly obviously, he got bored with Star Wars and wanted to play in some other sandboxes.

 

[Doc Spector]

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DarkNataku[/url]":3s2ut3q3]So what no Force powers and light sabers equals boring movie. It's a heist movie that will not end well for a lot of people. Your going to rewrite the Star Wars time line.

Yeah, damn them for trying to make a different movie where non-space-wizards have to stand on their own. Look, I love Jedi as much as the next fan, but a standalone movie without Jedi heroes is a great idea. Sorry. The universe is big enough to have stories that don't rely on the Jedi.

I agree. Having read most of the stories about Kyle Katarn and Corran Horn, I can safely say I enjoy their non-jedi segments a lot more.

Those guys are both Force-sensitive, and ultimately become Jedi.
Gazillions of humans in the galaxy. SOME of them are interesting without being Jedi.
Bail Organa. Amidala. Boba Fett. Most of the pilots in Stackpole's "X-Wing" novels. And those are just the humans. How about a story about a Trandoshan ship captain? Shoot first, ask questions later, then more shooting.

 

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DarkNataku[/url]":36ltujwc]So what no Force powers and light sabers equals boring movie. It's a heist movie that will not end well for a lot of people. Your going to rewrite the Star Wars time line.

Yeah, damn them for trying to make a different movie where non-space-wizards have to stand on their own. Look, I love Jedi as much as the next fan, but a standalone movie without Jedi heroes is a great idea. Sorry. The universe is big enough to have stories that don't rely on the Jedi.

I agree. Having read most of the stories about Kyle Katarn and Corran Horn, I can safely say I enjoy their non-jedi segments a lot more.

Those guys are both Force-sensitive, and ultimately become Jedi.
Gazillions of humans in the galaxy. SOME of them are interesting without being Jedi.
Bail Organa. Amidala. Boba Fett. Most of the pilots in Stackpole's "X-Wing" novels. And those are just the humans. How about a story about a Trandoshan ship captain? Shoot first, ask questions later, then more shooting.

Absolutely, but my point is I enjoyed their stories a lot more until they did become "proper Jedi" - being force-sensitive but untrained often makes for a more fun story than the strictness introduced by the jedi doctrine.

Other characters I'd like to see more of are Wedge Antilles and Wulff Yularen (going from renowned Republic admiral to sitting on a Death Star board of directors meeting must be quite a tale).

 

[yago2k]

Doc Spector[/url]":2mrzjqai]

THX1138 is an "instant classic"? Let me check your dictionary... I think somebody's tampered with yours. American Graffiti, sure. Thing is, I don't think he's as interested in the making of commercially-successful films (though, obviously, he HAS made a few bucks along the way) as he is in the technical aspects of filmmaking... and fairly obviously, he got bored with Star Wars and wanted to play in some other sandboxes.

Won't dispute THX. I think it's pretty underrated and much more influential than given credit, but to each their own.

My point is that Lucas has (or had, don't really know if it's still there or not) a huge talent as filmmaker. He landed the American Graffiti job because what the execs saw on THX and he delivered a wonderful film. And he was able to play the industry to create from scratch the entire Star Wars universe, writing and directing included.

People keep claiming that just because by Eps I-III he had become such a huge figure that he was financially independent he had much less influence in the original trilogy than he actually did, that's why Original = Good / Prequels = Bad and has now become basically a meme "Lucas only came with the idea but he's a crappy director". But most of the records really say that Lucas was as much a control freak and had as much influence and nearly unlimited power in the original trilogy than the sequels. The only constraints he had back then were financial. That's mainly the reason he didn't directed Empire and Jedi, he was too busy trying to fit all together that he didn't have time for the actual shooting of the film. But those are "his" movies as much as Ep I is, for good or bad.

 

[jeffrey_jeff_de]

Lee L[/url]":1vquqb9i]A bit more info at Hollywood Reporter. Some good, some not as good, depending on your POV I guess. All in all not as bad sounding emergency IMO as the NYT article. But a couple of things mentioned they want to change give me a little pause. Obviously, could be spoilers if true. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ars-898562

Just what one might have suspected from watching the trailer.

The movie is too dark according to the opinion of the Disney executives, so they want to make it "lighter" and "more fun".

Kinda like the "Dirty Dozen", but with more happy faces.

Yyyyyeeeaaaahhhhhh..... that sound promising.

 

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jeffrey_jeff_de[/url]":1dnl7vvs]

Lee L[/url]":1dnl7vvs]A bit more info at Hollywood Reporter. Some good, some not as good, depending on your POV I guess. All in all not as bad sounding emergency IMO as the NYT article. But a couple of things mentioned they want to change give me a little pause. Obviously, could be spoilers if true. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ars-898562

Just what one might have suspected from watching the trailer.

The movie is too dark according to the opinion of the Disney executives, so they want to make it "lighter" and "more fun".

Kinda like the "Dirty Dozen", but with more happy faces.

Yyyyyeeeaaaahhhhhh..... that sound promising.

Mmyeeees. Y'know, I'm all for dark movies - as long as it's not the Batman vs. Superman kind of dark movie, because that was utter shit and me and my girlfriend sighed in relief when the two-and-a-half hours were up.

 

[Goofball_Jones]

Langdon[/url]":1ojs7836]Is Damon Lindelof or Zack Snyder involved in any way with the movie?
/s

Sorry, he legally changed his name to "Legendary Director Zack Snyder".

 

[houkoholic]

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Lee L[/url]"qh8v534]A bit more info at Hollywood Reporter. Some good, some not as good, depending on your POV I guess. All in all not as bad sounding emergency IMO as the NYT article. But a couple of things mentioned they want to change give me a little pause. Obviously, could be spoilers if true. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ars-898562

Just what one might have suspected from watching the trailer.

The movie is too dark according to the opinion of the Disney executives, so they want to make it "lighter" and "more fun".

Kinda like the "Dirty Dozen", but with more happy faces.

Yyyyyeeeaaaahhhhhh..... that sound promising.

Mmyeeees. Y'know, I'm all for dark movies - as long as it's not the Batman vs. Superman kind of dark movie, because that was utter shit and me and my girlfriend sighed in relief when the two-and-a-half hours were up.

So much this.
It's disturbing that so many people is so quick to assume that injecting some "fun" into a film automatically makes it childish, and that only grimdark makes for an adult film. This is complete and utter nonsense and BvS is the prime example of grimdark not only failing to be anything remotely close to an adult film but is the birth of the Martha meme which is now shorthand for "stupidest plot point that insults the intelligence of its audience". If BvS hasn't opened up people's eyes that grimdark doesn't mean adult, then I've lost hope for the audience, not the execs.

 

[ChrisG]

Sounds like it'll have all the same problems TFA suffered from - a film overtly Y'know, For Kids. It probably needed some more idiotic whooping and characters high-fiving each other to satisfy the Disney execs.

 

[technofiler]

Can't blame Disney at all. They spent a ton of money for the franchise and built up a lot of goodwill with fans after putting out the best Star Wars movie in a generation. If the movie is a flaming turd like the prequels were itll seriously just impact not just this movie but the follow ons too

 

[tigas]

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Doc Spector[/url]":yugs2c4k]

auxilio[/url]":yugs2c4k]It seems a lot of people here are assuming that Disney is in the wrong. I wouldn't be so sure.

The trailer did look awesome. As did the Phantom Menace trailer years ago, and look what a bomb that turned out to be. Perhaps Disney just saved us from enduring another Phantom Menace.

I liked the Phantom Menace. Way, way more than "The Force Reboots"

Edit: For downvoters: Fuck you, too.

So did my 12 year old cousin. Until I showed him Mr Plinkett's review.

Sorry, Phantom Menace had awful editing, awful plot, poor dialogue, boring emotionless action. There's so many things wrong with it.

In fact, the only redeeming thing about Phantom Menace is the Plinkett review

 

[Danathar]

"Fallen short" in what way? In that is not a remake of the earlier films or not an entertaining film?

 

[Fixme]

TFXR[/url]":3e15ldeu]Think what you will about Lucas, Star Wars was his singular vision. No one has that at Disney now, so the whole franchise is run by committee. I'm not sure why we'd expect anything different.

After episodes 1 - 3, and comparing with episode 7, I am so happy someone else saved the franchise from his "singular vision". Yes, Lucas did well with the first three, and he could have screwed up a lot more than he did with the next three, but his limits were getting steadily more obvious.

I will always be grateful to Lucas for what he created for all of us. But I haven't enjoyed a Star Wars movie as much as the last one since way back.

 

[Twilight Sparkle]

Doc Spector[/url]":302ch4gz]
Urgh.

The first Alien movie was a horror film. Then the second was a war movie. The third one, I'm told, was a prison movie (never saw it.)

The Alien movies were about Ripley, so following her wherever her journey leads her fits the theme. The Star Wars franchise is about tenacious underdogs fighting an evil empire and you need to be in touch with the larger context for the Rebellion's actions to be on solid moral footing. It's a space opera, not a tactical shooter.
The first cut was probably coming off as too closeted: generic characters facing a sequence of contrived hurdles to overcome. "Find the yellow keycard, beat the mooks, open the yellow door, beat the mooks, find the red keycard..." that's not really Star Wars. Reshooting it to add some humanity into it to make you actually care about what they're doing isn't a bad thing.

 

[Stinkles]

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MichaelC[/url]":2ugxgeiw]The director is Gareth Edwards who directed the fantastic film Monsters (2010) and Godzilla (2014) which also turned out to be pretty good.

But given Disney's efforts with their other properties and how well they have been doing with them, I don't know what to make of this. it's hard to say whether this news is good or bad.

In which alternate universe did Godzilla turn out to be good?

what universe are you living in? You might be thinking of the 1998 version.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

"Rogue One has fallen short of what J.J. Abrams did with Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens. So Disney has ordered reshoots."

You mean, it isn't a rehash of the first Starwars film, and was warmly received by the fans?

Egads, Disney must be FURIOUS...

 

[tarwin]

Judging by what I read in the article, I actually now believe that those Godzilla producers were actually scammed by Legendary for bringing the Godzilla rights to the film studio. Sounds to be that Gareth Edwards is an idiot. Keeping the studio at bay ... sounds like someone has a massive ego.

 

[Haravikk]

Probably not enough Jar Jar Binks.

How did episode VII fare in screen-testing? Personally I hated it, so if it did well then I'm not sure how much faith I have in the process.

 

[Wardatrigger]

Seraphiel[/url]":zsast8g7]

Rogue One has fallen short of what J.J. Abrams did with Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens

What, did they accidentally make a new movie instead of putting a bunch of old ones in a blender?

Ha!

Even my 10 year old daughter warned me that TFA was "trying to be funny" and that it wasn't how the other Star Wars movies (both trilogies) were to watch.

When she heard JJ was also working on Star Trek she made sure to belatedly warn her Daddy the Trekkie too