No more demo garbage in our Gamertags!

[Kerii]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/27/360-fall-update-details-spilled-by-ms-japan/<br><br><blockquote class="ip-ubbcode-quote">
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">* XBLA demos will also be deleted from Played Games and Gamercard listings. </div>
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<br><br>Guess our two years of complaining finally got through to MS. A small but sure victory over our somewhat benevolent overlords!<br><br>Glad I'll finally be rid of those 40+ some demos cluttering up my played games list.<br><br>Now to move on to complaining about something else like transferring ownership of content or whatever. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif --

 

[Sababaaa]

Finally! Celebration is indeed in order -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif -- It always bugged me that some of the worst titles available were scarring my played games list... but no more!<br><br>Now only if I could un-purchase some games *coughcloningclydecough* and erase them from my gamercard at will! <br><br>Its not that the game was bad, but my friend accidentally bought on my account it and I haven't bothered playing it... so it sits there in my list of played games, with no achievements earned. I don't want people to think I'm neglecting my games!

 

[Magus`]

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sababaaa:<br>Finally! </div>
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<br>Yay! -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif --

 

[wireframed]

I know it says that list isn't complete, but I <B>really</B> hope they are holding out on the good stuff, because that is pretty weak. Yeah, the navigational upgrades are sorely needed, the navigation on the 360 isn't nearly as good as it could be (and it's slow as hell to boot), and I guess it's nice enough that demos don't show up in my played list, but really it's not something I've really thought about.<BR><BR>I'd rather see some more useful updates - DiVX support (as was rumored might happen), introduction of the full US version of the VideoStore (which MS had originally promised in Q42007, but then rumors had them retract), that sort of stuff.<BR>Things that SHOULD have been in updates a long time ago.<BR><BR>L.

 

[The Faceless Rebel]

Thank God. Maybe someone at MS actually does play their own consoles.<BR><BR>Now MS needs to increase the Friends lists so it's more than 100 people.

 

[Semi On]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'd rather see some more useful updates - DiVX support (as was rumored might happen), introduction of the full US version of the VideoStore (which MS had originally promised in Q42007, but then rumors had them retract), that sort of stuff.<BR>Things that SHOULD have been in updates a long time ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>++<BR><BR>I can't fathom why the crap in my gamertag would matter to me. There are other things I would rather have fixed or changed way before this, first being Divx.

 

[HyperionAlpha]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lestat:<BR>I know it says that list isn't complete, but I <B>really</B> hope they are holding out on the good stuff </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Like a compat update.

 

[sword_9mm]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I can't fathom why the crap in my gamertag would matter to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>++<BR><BR>i don't understand the cheers for this. do you guys just look through games people play or something? i can't even begin to imagine why this even matters.

 

[Agreschn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Endymion:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lestat:<BR>I know it says that list isn't complete, but I <B>really</B> hope they are holding out on the good stuff </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Like a compat update. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Erm.... back compat update was released like two or three days ago. Hit Major Nelson's to find a list.<BR><BR>and another ++ to wanting to see features that enhance the gaming/multimedia experience. I don't want people seeing my friends list b/c I don't want my friends getting spammed by people they don't know. If I want to social network I'll log onto Facebook or something, <B>not</B> my fucking 360.

 

[Caffeine Slug]

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sword_9mm:<br>do you guys just look through games people play or something? </div>
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<br>I do, regularly. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif -- I'm interested in what games other people are playing, what achievements they might have, etc. Obviously it's not useful for anything beyond satisfying my own curiosity, but I do it anyway. <br><br>On the other hand, I currently do not use my 360 as a video player, so I don't really care about stuff like divx support. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --

 

[Harry_Greek]

Con,... gradulations??<BR><BR>I had no idea this was so important to people.

 

[Control Group]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sword_9mm:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I can't fathom why the crap in my gamertag would matter to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>++<BR><BR>i don't understand the cheers for this. do you guys just look through games people play or something? i can't even begin to imagine why this even matters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Less importantly, because it looks like I own a shit ton of games that I'm not even good enough at to get a single gamer point. It kills the S:N for the games list.<BR><BR>More importantly, when I'm comparing games against friends, it's a PITA to scroll down a list of eighty hojillion games, knowing full well that neither he nor I actually has any interest in them beyond trying the demo.<BR><BR>It's not huge, but it's nice. It's one of those features that should be incredibly simple to implement, and is the obviously correct way to do things, so it should be there.

 

[Maxer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Harry_Greek:<BR>Con,... gradulations??<BR><BR>I had no idea this was so important to people. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I think it only matters to the type of people who care about gamerscores and the such.<BR><BR>I'm not saying that is a BAD thing, I just think there are very DIFFERENT ways that people like to enjoy their games.<BR><BR>I wonder if those same people enjoy crossword puzzles and building miniatures.<BR><BR>I'm not into that myself, but I have some friends that go crazy about it.

 

[HyperionAlpha]

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lestat:<br>I know it says that list isn't complete, but I <b>really</b> hope they are holding out on the good stuff </div>
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<br><br>Like a compat update. </div>
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<br><br>Erm.... back compat update was released like two or three days ago. Hit Major Nelson's to find a list. </div>
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<br><br>What! You mean I can't rely on ars for all the current game news and discussion anymore? -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif --<br><br>Oh well, under the radar and not much noteworthy new, although I think this puts it up over 400 working games now.

 

[Agreschn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Endymion:<BR><BR>Oh well, under the radar and not much noteworthy new, although I think this puts it up over 400 working games now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>That was the big reason I didn't feel like creating a post... nothing really noteworthy except all the updates for the EA yearly shovelware crap... none of which have multiplayer servers anymore anyways! GG, MS!

 

[The Faceless Rebel]

Well, at this point MS is really scraping the bottom of the Xbox barrel anyways in terms of backwards compatibility, pretty much all the good games have already previously been added to the backcompat list. MS is really just going for the sheer technical challenge of complete Xbox library backcompat now, if for no other reason than to spite Sony and their new 40GB PS3 which has no backcompat whatsoever.

 

[Stone]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Faceless Rebel:<BR>40GB PS3 which has no backcompat whatsoever. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Doesn't it still play Playstation games fine? It's different than MS, which tried to actively kill off the Xbox product line quickly, while Sony still sells, supports, and develops for the PS2.<BR><BR>I'm really surprised how well received this "delete games off gamertags" news is. It seems like such a tiny thing to my non-360 owning ass.

 

[Magus`]

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stone:<br>Doesn't it still play Playstation games fine? </div>
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<br>What part of "<b>no</b> backcompat" don't you get? -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --<br><br><blockquote class="ip-ubbcode-quote">
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stone:<br>I'm really surprised how well received this "delete games off gamertags" news is. It seems like such a tiny thing to my non-360 owning ass. </div>
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<br>I don't see why people like you are getting so confused.<br><br>Nobody is saying this is the best thing ever, but they're glad the lists won't be cluttered. It's not that hard to see the appeal -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif --

 

[BrianA]

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stone:<br>Doesn't it still play Playstation games fine? </div>
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<br>What part of "<b>no</b> backcompat" don't you get? -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif -- </div>
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<br><br>I thought it still could play PS1 games and it was only PS2 support that was dropped. I'm at work, so I can't check.<br><br>As for games list, I'd like to be able to mark games as "Rental" or "No Longer Own" so people could see that I am not interested in playing a game with them because I can't not because I'm ignoring them.

 

[onkeljonas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The Faceless Rebel:<BR>Well, at this point MS is really scraping the bottom of the Xbox barrel anyways in terms of backwards compatibility, pretty much all the good games have already previously been added to the backcompat list. MS is really just going for the sheer technical challenge of complete Xbox library backcompat now, if for no other reason than to spite Sony and their new 40GB PS3 which has no backcompat whatsoever. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Some of the games I'd like to see on the list (but there are many others missing):<BR>Prince of Persia: Warrior within<BR>Prince of Persia: Two Thrones<BR>Brothers In Arms Road to Hill 30<BR>Deus Ex: Invisible War<BR>Hitman 2<BR>Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes<BR>Mafia<BR>Mechassault<BR>Metal Gear Solid 2<BR>Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath<BR>Project Zero 2<BR>Psi-Ops<BR>Rayman 3<BR>Steel Batallion<BR>Tenchu: Return from darkness<BR>Riddick: Escape from butcher bay<BR>The Warriors<BR>Timesplitters Future Perfect<BR>Timesplitters 2<BR><BR>That said, I'm pretty happy with the work MS is doing on backwards compatibility. I believe them when they say the goal is every title (although I suspect a handfull will never make it).<BR><BR>More on topic – the arcade demos in the games list have been a small anoyance for long, but I'd much rather see some performance updates to the menus. The marketplace has a tendency to hang, and the list of arcade games loads criminally slow. And there is plenty of room for improvements in the media streaming/player.

 

[Cool Modine]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think it only matters to the type of people who care about gamerscores and the such. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Meh, I don't care about gamerscore (though I do like achievements), but I see this as a great thing. I mean, when I get a new game, it's nice being able to check the profiles of a few of my friends and see who has it, how far they've gotten, etc. Or if I'm trying to thin out my friends list, I can find the people who I have the least games in common with. Clearing the clutter is a good thing. <BR><BR>Huh, they finally added NFL 2K5 to backwards compat. How 'bout that.

 

[Keen]

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<br>What part of "<b>no</b> backcompat" don't you get? -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif -- </div>
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<br><br>I thought it still could play PS1 games and it was only PS2 support that was dropped. </div>
</blockquote>You are correct, sir. The PS1 support is all in software at this point. PS2 still required hardware.

 

[mastertonberry]

So I don't know if anyone has actually checked this, but I did after downloading the Fall update.<BR><BR>Guess what? I still saw all my old stupid arcade demos in my profile.<BR><BR>So I'm sitting there trying to see if there is an option to remove them, and I stumble onto the page where it lists what all got updated (I think it was the Inside Xbox option or something) and get this:<BR><BR>It only works for games played AFTER the update.<BR><BR>So that means all the crap that was already in there? It will be there forever.<BR><BR>Sucks, I was thinking my list would be cleared out, but nope. Not the case.

 

[Deleted member 14629]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It only works for games played AFTER the update. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Play those demos again?

 

[mastertonberry]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Happysin:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It only works for games played AFTER the update. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Play those demos again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't know if that will work, since its already there in my list, but that would mean I'd have to redownload all those old crappy arcade games again?<BR><BR>I guess I'll try it out, but I doubt it. I got the impression that it meant new games that you hadn't played yet.

 

[English_C6H^]

1. Chronicles of Riddick will never be BC, because they are rewrapping it and releasing it for the 360.<BR><BR>2. It sucks that I can't get crappy arcade demos off my tag.

 

[erwos]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by English_C6H^:<BR>1. Chronicles of Riddick will never be BC, because they are rewrapping it and releasing it for the 360. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Please. There are more than a couple BC games that have 360 versions. More likely, CoR is just very difficult to emulate properly because it's a very demanding game performance-wise.

 

[Psion]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Happysin:<BR>Play those demos again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>An interesting idea, one I'll try tonight, but I think it really means no new demos will get flagged for entry into your list, not that it can actually <I>remove</I> any.

 

[Agreschn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by erwos:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by English_C6H^:<BR>1. Chronicles of Riddick will never be BC, because they are rewrapping it and releasing it for the 360. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Please. There are more than a couple BC games that have 360 versions. More likely, CoR is just very difficult to emulate properly because it's a very demanding game performance-wise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR> Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The game is being developed by Starbreeze Studios and published by Vivendi Games. According to Starbreeze Lead Designer Ian Stevens, the decision to do a remake was because Microsoft could not make Escape from Butcher Bay backward compatible with the Xbox 360, and because they wanted to get the Escape story to a larger audience before progressing further. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Of course, it's wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt, but they took the info from an IGN article FWIW.

 

[Psion]

You realize your quote proves his point, which is "CoR is probably close to impossible to emulate properly," and then Starbreeze's lead designer confirms that Microsoft had that exact same problem.<BR><BR>It never being on BC and it being redeveloped for 360 are two distinct issues. Or rather, one does not follow from the other as you seem to assume.

 

[Agreschn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Psion:<BR>You realize your quote proves his point, which is "CoR is probably close to impossible to emulate properly," and then Starbreeze's lead designer confirms that Microsoft had that exact same problem.<BR><BR>It never being on BC and it being redeveloped for 360 are two distinct issues. Or rather, one does not follow from the other as you seem to assume. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I wasn't refuting or anything. Just providing some info on the situation.

 

[English_C6H^]

Ok, to edit:<br><br>"Chronicles of Riddick will never be BC" [/end statement]<br><br> -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --

 

[Psion]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Agreschn:<BR>I wasn't refuting or anything. Just providing some info on the situation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Oops. You're entirely correct and I apologize. I misattributed the initial post claiming that to you, and it wasn't yours.

 

[Magus`]

sigh... replaying the old demo did nothing, so those of us from before this change are stuck -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif --

 

[mastertonberry]

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<br>Dangit.<br><br>It seems like it would be such an easy change... <br><br>*check to see if account has purchased arcade game, if not, remove game from achievement list*<br><br>Or maybe there's just no way to remove stuff from the game list at all.