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Nintendo warns Switch 2 GameChat users: “Your chat is recorded”
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should we make a betting pool as to when this will be hacked and exposed? bonus if it was stored in a insecure method?
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Angry anti-nintendo commenters who didn't read the full article incoming in three… two… one…
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No. Because the odds will be 1 to 1billion. Where you'd need to bet 1 Billion on the chance that it is stored securely to just win 1.
This announcement is more to say. Your stuff will not be private. You should have no reasonable expectation using the Nintendo Switch 2 network to do anything private on.
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This seems logical.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't as far as who might be upset by this.
The idea that there are some communication channels that are by design NOT private seems ok with me in some situations. A communication channel that involves a lot of minors participating, this seems acceptable.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't as far as who might be upset by this.
The idea that there are some communication channels that are by design NOT private seems ok with me in some situations. A communication channel that involves a lot of minors participating, this seems acceptable.
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Seems reasonable given the audience includes a lot of children who are potentially interacting with adults. Moderation like this and storing those logs is a pretty significant expense to maintain so Nintendo deserves a nod of approval for implementing it.
There's a James Caan joke in here somewhere...
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I've played Splatoon, they need that.
Also they need to track down some people for committing war crimes in some of these voice chats.
Also they need to track down some people for committing war crimes in some of these voice chats.
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It's explicitly not billed as a private communication system. It's for public interaction. It probably explicitly won't be secured in a private way. Because it's not supposed to.
And it probably should be that way; if gamechat was end to end encrypted and nintendo had no access to the files, how would reporting work? Sure, a user could report on a chat they're in, but then it's not really end to end anyways, right? Moderation seems more useful for a public chatting system than not.
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Assuming they properly document this, and not just some text in a small print TOS agreement. I can't even record a zoom video without it broadcasting that this meeting is being recorded. I am certain there are state laws that would make this illegal without active both party consent.
We know why they are doing this, to cover there own ass with law enforcement. However, when inevitably it is abused by an employee and someone at Nintendo is downloading recordings of pre-teens playing games together, your gonna see the problem with this process existing.
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I suspect Zoom's reasoning might be based in legal issues too, but also business concerns.
Most participants do in fact want to KNOW what the lay of the land on the call is. Nobody wants to negotiate / notify everyone on the call every time. The various video conferencing folks do have a vested interest in all parties being happy to use a service where ... otherwise they have a lot of choice.
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Word, the only way to win here is to not play. I hear Discord works perfectly fine on a smartphone.
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Honestly getting a switch 2 was pretty easy this time around, in the grand scheme of "getting electronics of the last 5 years". I was able to get one with about half an hour? an hour? of work on preorder day, and I woke up this morning and pointed out the switch 2 bundles to my sister on Costco, and she was able to get one without being rushed or dealing with online queues. It's sold out now but was available for a decent while.
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Conversations on video game servers have never been private. Are people just learning this now? Wild.
Don't say or type out anything in WoW, LoL, Xbox Live or PSN you would not want public. An admin has always been able to pull up the logs. If you misbehave these logs can and will be used against you.
Don't say or type out anything in WoW, LoL, Xbox Live or PSN you would not want public. An admin has always been able to pull up the logs. If you misbehave these logs can and will be used against you.
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There’s like zero part of Nintendo’s Game Chat that I’m interested in. It’s just discord, but worse in almost every way.
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Seems reasonable and logical...but the only time I see it falling apart is if they decided to try and filter for certain words and brick people's consoles because of an all-adult-players game session having people use adult-language in it. That could be problematic if it happened.
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You mean they don't give you Orbs after completing Play Quests?
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I don't fully trust Nintendo either, but if you want a counter-example, you need only look at TF2, where you're bound to learn a few new slurs every play session. And while I do love the occasional fun mic-spam, I don't think Nintendo wants people to play porn audio over voice-chat. There's a reason sprays are disabled on casual servers. So your alternatives are either that or simply no chat at all.
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I think this is more for actual voice and video chat. Text chat should or already have auto-filter that can be enabled.
I doubt they'll have an auto-brick method and hopefully use the Sony PSN model of levels of strikes against you.
Maybe 10 years ago it used to put a smile to my face when someone would send me a racist or profane message at me using PSN. Because i knew in 2-3 weeks I would get a response from PSN that they took care of the problem. And by take care of the problem. They give the person a 1 day ban. Then 2 day. Then 4 day. And it keeps doubling from what i gather until you get to a year's worth of ban and then they decide to just Ban your hardware.
Of course this applies only to Console Chat/Text Systems.
In game chat which cross platform games bring do not fall under these rules.
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I'm waiting for the Mario platformer. MarioKart is cool and all, and the open world stuff sounds neat, but I like to have the "finish the game" goal with platformers rather than "just keep doing incrementally better" to advance that seems inherent to racing games.
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Counterpoint: Have you been in any game voice chat, at all?? This is necessary to keep things civil.
But to your other points - when I finally get a Switch 2, GameChat will never have permission to do any of this. I don't want it, and thankfully don't need it.
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Unfortunately, I think that today's legal environment means that if you're the middle man facilitating an unencrypted chat conversation, you do need to protect yourself.
If the Switch chat platform was used to organize a terrorist plot, racist malfeasance, violence, or other evil, I think it would be difficult for Nintendo to disclaim all responsibility. While I think that morally they would not be responsible, legal responsibility (especially if fractional liability is in play), is an entirely different question.
By actively recording chats, Nintendo is in somewhat of a similar position by having access to the chat, but can disclaim at least some liability by foisting the monitoring on to the end user. In other words, if Nintendo didn't receive a report, they can assume that nothing nefarious occurred in the chat. Trouble is, that concept breaks down with two conspiring actors on each end of the chat.
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These days I treat everything as if it is recorded. The main thing is establishing how that data is used and who it is shared with.
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More likely, it is getting out in front of a present where predators manipulate kids into adding them as friends because not all parents set parental controls.
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I think you missed my point. That is not why they are doing this. Why would they take on your liability by managing recordings of your chats without having any on off switch for the end user? I don't believe anyone has ever been sued for their software being used in this manner, they just get sued when they don't cooperate with the government to find criminals.
In your argument you are basically saying Nintendo is even worse here. ie they are not saving us, they are covering their own asses and will turn you in if they believe they should. That makes it even worse and more gestapo.
The right answer is just don't store it at all, like a phone call. Back doors are not good.
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Generally, most companies seem to be happy with banning TOS violating accounts, but leaving the console itself unaltered as far as bad words goes and such.
This would seem to fit the whole online / voice service ToS pattern.
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That is acceptable. I've been on this Earth long enough to know that if you give people the ability to communicate it will be used in extremely nefarious ways.
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