New Apple M5 is the centerpiece of an updated 14-inch MacBook Pro
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Yea. The "pro" was confusing me too. I was wondering if there was going to be a "Macbook Pro Pro" 
...So there's a "Macbook Pro" but it doesn't contain an "M5 Pro"?
...So there's a "Macbook Pro" but it doesn't contain an "M5 Pro"?
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On the other hand, the number of pixels that it can push per second (especially taking into account Hz) is ENORMOUSLY higher on these new Macs.
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I was really excited for a minute, my M1 Max laptop is needing a refresh, it looks like I will have to wait a while longer...
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It is a fully usable computer, it just doesn’t work the way you want it to. If what you wanted was a MacBook, that’s what you should’ve bought.
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For reference, memory bandwidth is sill lower than prior generations Pro and Max versions.
M4 Pro has 273 GB/s
M4 Max 32-core GPU has 410 GB/s
M4 Max 40-core GPU has 546 GB/s
Even the old M1 Pro has 200 GB/s
M4 Pro has 273 GB/s
M4 Max 32-core GPU has 410 GB/s
M4 Max 40-core GPU has 546 GB/s
Even the old M1 Pro has 200 GB/s
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One other note not in the article was faster storage (in addition to more storage). It says 2x faster, which I read as they upgraded to a newer version of PCIE (4 to 5?) for the SSD interface.
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<Looks at IdeaPad I bought in August 2022 (with support for a single external monitor over HDMI>. Either forever is remarkable recent or literally isn't literal.</Looks>.
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Why compare the base M5 to the prior Pro and Max versions? The M5 is 1.25x the M4’s bandwidth and 1.5x the M3’s bandwidth, very good generation on generation increases. Assuming it scales, the M5 Pro, Max and Ultra should also gain about the same amount over the equivalent M4s.
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What else would be the point of a new base model? Did you post a bunch of speculation just to argue against it?
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For those complaining about lack of memory bandwidth and fewer monitors being supported, remember that I/O cost money, especially for smaller die sizes. Plus memory and high speed I/O has a lot of analog circuitry that doesn’t shrink very well. Makes total sense that the low end chip would limit these features.
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Looking at the Thinkpad P14sG1 specs right now, and they're exactly the same:
Or the current X1 G13
This is a totally unremarkable level of display support for midrange business laptops. Few regular people will need more than 1i+2e, and for them, all the major vendors have better spec options available (eg. M4 Pro/Max)
(Edits because Google doesn't understand Thinkpad generations)
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I understand what you’re saying here, but that’s never going to happen. The design ethos has been backwards compatibility via add-ons and dongles, not built-in features, for 25+ years - ever since they made the decision to drop the 3.5” floppy drive.
You’re going to get the minimum variety of ports possible and that’s just always been apple. Where they keep screwing up is also reducing the quantity of ports.
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LMGTFY has always been a antisocial passive-aggressive dick move, but at least people used to use it corrrectly.
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Up until recently, Dell was selling a lot of laptops that not only supported only 1 monitor output over HDMI, but they didn't support resolutions above 1920x1080. I had bought my scientist wife a new 27" 1440p monitor and she had to run it at 1080p until we got her a new laptop a few years later.
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Oh yeah, I remember hearing about the alleged upcoming “touch screen refresh” in 2007.
At this point, that rumour is old enough to buy a MacBook Pro for their college courses.
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Umm. The article literally says it comes with an HDMI port. And as for protocols they still sell a VGA adapter for gosh sakes and there are tons of third party USB-C dongles for every port type which are fully supported so the protocol comment is wrong too. If you are throwing out old monitors you aren’t doing any research first.
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As many people have noted, you're either wrong or lying about this from a factual perspective (my number is 2, as in the number of pro-branded laptops on dell.com I had to look at before finding one which had the same limit) but you're also wrong about this from a screen real-estate perspective. Unless you're using one of those displays to watch something like a security camera feed, having multiple small displays is less productive than a smaller number of higher-resolution displays both because they don't constrain the maximum window size as much and because it's physically less convenient to have to turn your head sideways like you're looking out a train window all the time (I test this every time I'm at work, where I have 2 external displays but feel cramped compared to the single high res external display I have at home). This is especially true if the external displays are limited – for example, that second Dell I looked at topped out at 1920x1080 so I'd need eight of those external displays to hold as much information as I can display on the single 5K iMac screen I'm using now and that's a lot of wasted physical space creating distracting gaps.
Now, to be clear, there are other pro laptops which can do higher resolution: for example, the first Dell I looked at can do two external 8K displays (as long as the lower-resolution internal display is off) or 1x8K 2x4k so it's not like there hasn't been a lot of progress pushing ludicrous numbers of pixels in the years but also if you're buying multiple 6-8K monitors which each cost a couple grand, you presumably have a budget which can include spending a few hundred on the Max model which can drive 4 external displays.
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Wait! You're saying that Apple isn't going out of its way to support a 1% corner case of users? Have you alerted the media about this yet?
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MilanKraft
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Not arguing against the base model, just saying it's a pretty modest update (but not unexpected in that sense). THen I went on to point out most MBP users will wait for one of the next two revisions (AFAWK early next year and late next year), then pointing out what i hope will / won't happen with that. Most of what I was arguing against was a touch-screen variant and possibility of returning to "thinner than evar!" design ethic. Not sure how that isn't clear but is what it is.
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It's an even stupider point than that, because Apple does support this particular use case: Buy one of the MBP models with an MxMax chip, and it'll drive more external displays. Either buy now with an M4Max, or wait until the winter (most likely) for an M5Max version.
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ubercurmudgeon
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My M1 MacBook Pro is still plenty powerful for my needs. Best laptop I've ever had. Hopefully that continues to be the case long enough for Apple to come up with a better solution for the webcam than the notch.
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I am curious about Apple's claimed M5's 6x faster than M1 at AI tasks (presumably with Apple's MLX framework).
The OSS-GPT-20b model, which is pretty good for local offline coding, can hit 25 tokens/sec on an M1 MacBook Air, 90 t/s on my M3 Max, and over 105 t/s on an M4 Max (for comparison, a 5080 can do 140 t/s).
If 6x means 6x, then presumably a base M5, at purely local offline AI tasks, would beat an M4 Max and nearly match a 5080. What then would an M5 Pro or M5 Max do...
The OSS-GPT-20b model, which is pretty good for local offline coding, can hit 25 tokens/sec on an M1 MacBook Air, 90 t/s on my M3 Max, and over 105 t/s on an M4 Max (for comparison, a 5080 can do 140 t/s).
If 6x means 6x, then presumably a base M5, at purely local offline AI tasks, would beat an M4 Max and nearly match a 5080. What then would an M5 Pro or M5 Max do...
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The SSD controller is on the Mx chip - there's no PCIe separating the raw chips of the flash and the SoC. If its faster, it's the internal interconnect or the chips themselves. The only place they use PCIe externally is in Thunderbolt (the Mac Pro unbundles it from Thunderbolt but really doesn't have that many actual lanes in the first place)
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