Meta debuts Horizon OS, with Asus, Lenovo, and Microsoft on board
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Oh wow, and operating system I trust less than Windows! Finally, some competition when it comes to data hoovering operating systems.
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That about sums it up. If a product involves mandatory Facebook/meta involvement (in any way), I'm not using it.
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Facebook doesn't need hardware margins, license fees, or app store commissions. They're going to monetize this by tracking your eyeballs. It will be the best advertising data anybody gets until Musk figures out how to scrape the psychology directly out of your brain.
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We had a bunch of headsets nobody bought, and now we have a bunch MORE headsets that nobody will buy. Yay!
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I don't think there has ever been a case where a firm has successfully gone from selling first party hardware to selling their OS for third party hardware. Rather we've seen it time and time again when firms tried to make hardware work and failed.
A few firms have had big success with licensed OSes over the years, but the successful ones all without fail set out to make the OS as a product from the get go. A pivot to it always smacks of desperation.
A few firms have had big success with licensed OSes over the years, but the successful ones all without fail set out to make the OS as a product from the get go. A pivot to it always smacks of desperation.
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Well, that depends! Was it your dream to have every step, every action, every interaction, every show, video, song, image and yes, every dream tracked and aggregated by Meta? If so, then boy are you in luck!
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Nah - just an open platform that anyone could make hardware or software for so I wouldn't be stuck to some sort of vendor-lock-in nightmare.
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I wish. I mean, why did it have to be Facebook of all companies? The only way this company could get any more personal information out of a person would be to partner with Pornhub and their line of personal haptic devices that integrate with Meta's VR set. And I wouldn't put it past them.
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But with my ROG headset I'll be able to do Tron cosplay while having an account stuck in a hostile, exploitive digital ecosystem. It'll be so Meta!
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Isn't Samsung working with Google for some VR/AR headset (coming out in a year or so)? Maybe this is a move against Google as much as against Apple?
(But then Google may just self-destruct by itself without help ... they already tried and abandoned Daydream VR before)
(But then Google may just self-destruct by itself without help ... they already tried and abandoned Daydream VR before)
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Is the data set really big enough to draw those conclusions, though? At one point, we'd never seen a firm successfully going from selling music players to owning the entire smartphone market (for awhile), right? There's been a lot of firsts in the last few decades.
Not that I personally think this is going to take off. Most of the players want to own the whole experience. They don't want to be another link in a chain that starts with Meta. Granted, it's worked pretty well for companies using Android, even though Google makes their own android devices now.
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I'm sure they are. "Make sure we get our share of the data collection from Meta."
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Have you not looked into HTC? They're still making new VR kits.
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I will never use Meta(Facebook) products willingly.
I do not know why you want something that might end up having even more personal information about you than your smartphone from such a repulsive company.
I would rather choose an inferior VR product from a better company.
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I don't really see the issue? Android without Google Play Services is open source. Apparently GPL kernel with mostly Apache userspace.
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Any time Valve hasn't been holding their hands, HTC headsets always have at least one fatal flaw that hold them back from being the winner in their category.
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That's a fair assessment, but if one is looking for VR gear and doesn't want to contribute to Facebook/Meta hegemony, then they're pretty much the best choice now considering that WMR is shambling towards complete deprecation.
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A) Will this Horizon be able to render legs?
B) When will they make an engaging metaverse? I'd love a mall like setup where there are different stores with apps, second life like regions for facebook like social networking, and an animal crossing like house where my games live.
B) When will they make an engaging metaverse? I'd love a mall like setup where there are different stores with apps, second life like regions for facebook like social networking, and an animal crossing like house where my games live.
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Given the choice only between the Vault 112 simulation and Facebook's vision of the metaverse, I'd choose VaultTec's version every time.
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So the fancy new OS is just an AOSP fork. Does anyone believe Facebook can be trusted to apply Android security updates in a timely fashion?
Edit: But without google play services they'll need an alternative means of providing push notifications, maps, accurate geolocation and some other stuff. So will Facebook really create alternate implementations for all those things or will it just be up to the developer to license it from some third-party provider?
Edit: But without google play services they'll need an alternative means of providing push notifications, maps, accurate geolocation and some other stuff. So will Facebook really create alternate implementations for all those things or will it just be up to the developer to license it from some third-party provider?
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if none of these offer PCVR over DisplayPort it's just more eWaste that nobody will buy
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Yeah. Though it's probably going to take a few more factors. For breadth of software choices, for example, Meta is pretty much king. Though the software isn't as high-quality for visuals as PCVR. But if they're looking at splashing out the money for the PCVR route, they probably weren't seriously considering the cheaper Quest-tier anyway.
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Wow… does this industry never learn that just being a hardware vendor to an OS you don’t control makes it difficult to differentiate your product in any way besides price, resulting in a race to low profitability? I guess it shows how hard it is to do what Apple does. The console makers almost do it Apple-style, but they get away with it through having an even more tightly walled garden than Apple, while providing a much less fully-featured platform.
To be clear, that’s not an “Apple’s devices are better” post. It’s “Apple has more pricing power because no one sells an almost identical product” post. (For instance, Android is pretty similar to iOS, but nowhere near as similar as Android on Pixel is to Android on Galaxy.)
To be clear, that’s not an “Apple’s devices are better” post. It’s “Apple has more pricing power because no one sells an almost identical product” post. (For instance, Android is pretty similar to iOS, but nowhere near as similar as Android on Pixel is to Android on Galaxy.)
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Meta aside, I think I'll hold off on any further VR ventures...I already spent $600 on an Odyssey+ that's apparently all but abandonware anymore.
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"Pricing, specs, and release dates have not been announced for any of the new devices. Zuckerberg..."
Its yet another Meta device/service ergo price, specs or release date are irrelavant. The current and past track record of Meta services do not inspire confidence either from a consumer or privacy viewpoint so...
The waiting for a VR/AR headset continues. Maybe the mythological Valve Index 2 will appear (Steam not perfect but there is a balance that is acceptable)?
Edit: just to minor typos for readability.
Its yet another Meta device/service ergo price, specs or release date are irrelavant. The current and past track record of Meta services do not inspire confidence either from a consumer or privacy viewpoint so...
The waiting for a VR/AR headset continues. Maybe the mythological Valve Index 2 will appear (Steam not perfect but there is a balance that is acceptable)?
Edit: just to minor typos for readability.
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I would trust MS long before I trusted anything Google. Their whole reason for existence is data hoovering.
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When you include all the value of the data this shit will hoover up along the way, I don't expect the sale of the OS will be their main source of revenue.
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But this means that while today’s unsold headsets are a liability on the balance sheet of Meta, tomorrow’s unsold headsets will be liabilities on the balance sheets of Asus and Lenovo. Which has got to be why Meta is doing it.
(Why Asus and Lenovo are doing it is a better question. “We couldn’t make this thing sell, maybe you can!” is not what I would call a compelling proposition.)
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