Meta’s flagship metaverse service leaves VR behind

Sarty

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Writ large, it seems like Silicon Valley has an increasingly untethered understanding of what normal humans actually want, which is ironic since we live in an age where those normal humans are relentlessly data-mined to an extent that would have been unimaginable at any other point in human history.

On a nice philosophizing Friday afternoon, it makes you wonder if the grand strategy/worldview of "more data, More Data, MOARRRRRR" fundamentally misunderstands the problem statement.
 
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and now we have meta employees wearing the creeper camera glasses INTO COURT so they can identify and harass witnesses

the judge was clearly upset about this
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meta-trial-mark-zuckerberg-ai-glasses/
Strongly worded speeches and letters do nothing.

Until the judge actually holds them in contempt and puts them in jail for it the Epstein class does not care about shame. They enjoy enraging the judge, it was the point of why they did it - to show their distain, contempt, and that they are unaccountable to the little peoples laws.
 
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Sarty

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The fact that a company can lose $80 billion and no one up top suffers consequences is just another indictment on our terrible system.
You're sort of looking for ol' Zucko to fire himself for wasting his own money. He's a total fuckup, but I think this would be a challenging outcome to seek from any sociopolitical system.
 
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The fact that a company can lose $80 billion and no one up top suffers consequences is just another indictment on our terrible system.
If you consider this is exactly what they've been trying to get since the 1980s, it's more like mission accomplished than a bad outcome.

Once corporations took customers and employees out of their foundational ethics, this was the inevitable result.
 
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Zuck loves VR and the metaverse, but nobody else, apart from perhaps his sycophants, does. It’s a product without a market.
There's clearly a market for VR.

Tying that product to a social media network no one really wants run be a guy who's company is famous for running roughshod over the privacy of its users might just be limiting the market for this particular VR product, though.
 
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HiroTheProtagonist

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Writ large, it seems like Silicon Valley has an increasingly untethered understanding of what normal humans actually want, which is ironic since we live in an age where those normal humans are relentlessly data-mined to an extent that would have been unimaginable at any other point in human history.

On a nice philosophizing Friday afternoon, it makes you wonder if the grand strategy/worldview of "more data, More Data, MOARRRRRR" fundamentally misunderstands the problem statement.
I have to imagine that the ultimate result is that they have the data that shows them what normal humans want, but they ignore it because it doesn't align with what SV wants. SV has convinced itself that they can simply induce desire where it doesn't exist, and they'll burn all the VC money on the planet in the process.
 
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Strongly worded speeches and letters do nothing.
unlike congressional notices, a judge saying "quit fucking around" is basically a first warning to stop doing that immediately or face actual consequences

there's more and more cases of lawyers specifically being told "stop using AI" and fined as a first warning, then they keep doing it and could get sanctioned or disbarred
 
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The fact that a company can lose $80 billion and no one up top suffers consequences is just another indictment on our terrible system.

They spent $80 billion over several years while still making tens of billions every quarter in net income.

It just goes down as r&d spending that didn’t pay off.

Besides it still got circulated in the economy across salaries and contractors.
 
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Sarty

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They had 15000 (!!) people working on this! That seems like a huge number for people working on something that seems to be providing very little value. What are they all DOING?
It does seem like you oughta be able to vibecode it with about 50 mid-senior devs and a really premium slopbox subscription.

/s, /s, /s, /s
 
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Randomizer

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It does seem like you oughta be able to vibecode it with about 50 mid-senior devs and a really premium slopbox subscription.

/s, /s, /s, /s
Well, no, that's not what I was implying, but even if only 1/3rd of the 15k people were working on code of some sort, that's still a lot of code being produced. For context, most gaming studios have <5k employees total, and even the largest, most bloated ones (EA, Sony, Microsoft) have about 15k employees, and they are cranking out multiple games, marketing, server hosting for online play, etc. Here we have 15k people apparently working on a single product for many years now.
 
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Sarty

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Well, no, that's not what I was implying, but even if only 1/3rd of the 15k people were working on code of some sort, that's still a lot of code being produced.
No, I totally agree, it's a mind-bending number. I'm not sure whether 15,000 people is the crazier number, or whether $80B is the crazier number (obviously they are closely linked).
 
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So they're spending billions upon billions to replicate Second Life?
If only they had tried that hard. Second Live started with a measly $1.3 billion investment and is still humming along nicely 21 years later with 40,000 daily users and earning approximately $190 per active player PER DAY and are already apparently beta testing a mobile device.
https://wnhub.io/news/other/item-46605
 
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CrisR82

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It's going to keep dropping services until it's in its grave. No one wants to use this dogshit.
Back in November of 2025, I started working for an outsourcing company that happens to be doing a lot of business with Meta - on my first week, my whole group was forced to go through a Metaverse "theme park course to learn about new and exciting technologies" - we not only learned absolutely nothing, but also as soon as that was done, nobody mentioned or even referenced it ever again since.

...also, I find it amazing that we participated in that using ThinkPads with Intel UHD graphics so even ignoring the crazy loadtimes, we had to endure it in the absolute lowest details possible.

So no, there clearly ARE people who want it - they just happen to be people who should not be put in charge of making decisions.
 
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I like VR for 360 videos and virtual tourism (eg Google Earth VR), but it's gonna die before they ever make that a good experience (the PPD is finally there, but not enough HD content to go with that, nor AV1 decoding to support that, etc).

I have active contempt for AR glasses - like, you can get fucked wearing that shit around me level contempt.
 
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iollmann

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Writ large, it seems like Silicon Valley has an increasingly untethered understanding of what normal humans actually want,
They WANT to be required by management to use AI. Their job depends on it.

It does not matter what normal humans want. They will be told what to want and they will like it with great zeal just as management would prefer.
 
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Marlor_AU

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and now we have meta employees wearing the creeper camera glasses INTO COURT so they can identify and harass witnesses

the judge was clearly upset about this
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meta-trial-mark-zuckerberg-ai-glasses/
If you're wearing glasses with a camera, I'm treating exactly the same as if you were walking around with a camcorder filming everything.

Want to do that around your home? No problem. At a tourist spot where people are photographing everything anyway? Fine. Along a public walking trail? Why not?

When visiting my house? Nope. At the beach, filming individuals sunbaking at close range? Very creepy. Wandering around a gym pointing the camera at others working out? Nope.

In a public toilet? In a changeroom? I'm calling security.

Smartphones have already eroded privacy. A camera strapped to your face that can film everywhere you look? Nope.
 
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