Mass Effect 3 Co-op, ID exchange in first post, (No singleplayer discussion, please!)
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I'm pretty sure the internet would have blown up if it was genuinely confirmed by a dev, too.
also given EA's position on multiplayer (DO IT) and microtransactions (LOVE EM) not expanding a multiplayer mode with a proven success of a microtransaction model seems too stupid even for them.
also given EA's position on multiplayer (DO IT) and microtransactions (LOVE EM) not expanding a multiplayer mode with a proven success of a microtransaction model seems too stupid even for them.
Psion":a4v3s3d8 said:
http://blog.bioware.com/2012/11/12/an-u ... -montreal/
BW:Montreal did the ME3 multiplayer. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a MP mode, especially one that got them(BW/EA) a LOT of money via pack purchases.
Found the thread, lame attempt at an april fools job apparently. I ignore that stuff entirely so i got the wrong end of the stick. Ah well. Looks like it'll probably be in 4 then. I still can't see a good way to plot out another single player without shepard without just naming the character Franchise and getting on with the cash-in. We'll see though. As i said though i try never to be surprised by stupid, foolish, anti-consumer or downright nonsensical decisions by anyone in any way affiliated with EA.
Wraith":l50d4t0p said:
I'm still not convinced how they are going to set up conflict after the happy-everyone-understands-each-other-robot-flowers-everywhere Synthesis "canon" ending.
Talk about killing off your universe.
Wraith":3uv6hvpk said:
Prequels maybe. But then you get the 'reboot' effect, where you go "wait, this is more advanced than what Shepard had 20 years from now...", unless you are -very- careful.
Alternate characters, I can't see working too well. Everything at the same time would be a backdrop to the Reapers and Shepard.
Arbelac":l935mt8v said:
I'd want a reboot, if only because they'd have to get rid of ammo clips and go back to every gun being a heatsink weapon.
There's still room for stories between ME1 and ME2 though.
I'm not Josh, so I don't need ME4 to be the real ultimate canon story; I'd be fine with Garrus: C-Sec Space Cop, and then ME5 being Archangel: Space Cop ... Gone Rogue
I mean that's the thing - Bioware could arguably take any one of the squad members and make a game out of them. Some would be better than others, but that's not such a bad thing.
of course it'd lead to ~canon problems~ and the BSN tempest in a teacup.
I'd be fine with them taking an entirely new protagonist and set of characters and filling out ME1/ME2 era stuff as well. Even something like "the Reaper War: done properly" with some guy out of the Alliance Marines.
I mean that's the thing - Bioware could arguably take any one of the squad members and make a game out of them. Some would be better than others, but that's not such a bad thing.
of course it'd lead to ~canon problems~ and the BSN tempest in a teacup.
I'd be fine with them taking an entirely new protagonist and set of characters and filling out ME1/ME2 era stuff as well. Even something like "the Reaper War: done properly" with some guy out of the Alliance Marines.
Viridis":zika3el4 said:
So I called tech support. 30 minutes of waiting and 2 hours later I think everything is working. First they gave me the 'You need to uninstall and re-install'. Clearly, this was not the problem, so I just said I already had. They had no explanation for why the dlc authentication servers were acting funny over the weekend, but they eventually just re-issued the multiplayer pass. This worked - sort of. I ran into the same problem that some others here mentioned that it then somehow deleted my Javik's dlc entitlement. They seemed very confused by this, but eventually just reissued it.
While I was on the phone, I asked them to fix my copy of Dragon Age II while they were at it. I don't know if something has been done on the backend or the other 6 people who I called before were incompetent, but reissuing the dlc seemed to make that work too. Who would have thought.
I can't say I am pleased about the length of the wait, or how many calls it took before they just decided to re-issue all my dlc that wasn't working properly, but I will give them credit in that it is actually working now, against my expectations (knock on wood). Now if they could only make it so they didn't delete entitlements for things that your purchased.... that seems almost fraudulent if I didn't know that they were hopeless fuck up's when it comes to online anything.
They explanation for Dragon Age II dlc not working was hilarious. It literally took them 5 minutes to explain it. It was a litany of dumb-fuckery in the backend of how the Bioware Social Network, Origin, and the 'persona' system are all tied in. Add in TOR to that mess, and yeah... so broken.
Had my first missile glitcher in a match tonight. He yelled out that it was all good, he was indeed missile glitching. Every time he went down, we just let him bleed out. Glitchers really are obnoxious; they take the fun out of the match.
On another note, finally finished my grabs for Dog of War. Just have Outsider left. Drell Assassin with a Raptor is actually kind of fun.
On another note, finally finished my grabs for Dog of War. Just have Outsider left. Drell Assassin with a Raptor is actually kind of fun.
Psion":1tz8d4lz said:
There's a lot of great stories waiting to be told, especially if people could get around wanting to play as a Human character. The problem with "hoomaans" is that they've only fairly recently been integrated into the galactic community.
Fuck canon, I just want to have some fun! And in MP, I find that it's often more fun to play with "canon" builds. Like my Turian Sentinel carrying the standard issue Phaeston I played with this afternoon. Sure, I could give him an Acolyte and a Harrier, but what would be the fun in that?
So I am finally getting around to using the weapons (classes soon) of the last dlc. General thoughts?
I used the suppressor and the bloodpack to 200k. The supressor is actually not bad. The head shot multiplier is really large, and it fires pretty fast. The bloodpack was fun, really need to be able to aim with that gun. I haven't tried the adas yet, but I did get the spitfire.
Does the spitfire have any redeeming qualities? I have been using it on my Geth engi, and I maxxed my passives for weapons/geth weapons damage to see if it was any good... it's okay? I mean, you never run out of bullets, but it's weight is insane, it makes you run slow... With consumables I would say it's decent, maybe with a burn ammo it would be good? Anyone find any ways to make this thing fun. Still have another 100k to go through with it.
I used the suppressor and the bloodpack to 200k. The supressor is actually not bad. The head shot multiplier is really large, and it fires pretty fast. The bloodpack was fun, really need to be able to aim with that gun. I haven't tried the adas yet, but I did get the spitfire.
Does the spitfire have any redeeming qualities? I have been using it on my Geth engi, and I maxxed my passives for weapons/geth weapons damage to see if it was any good... it's okay? I mean, you never run out of bullets, but it's weight is insane, it makes you run slow... With consumables I would say it's decent, maybe with a burn ammo it would be good? Anyone find any ways to make this thing fun. Still have another 100k to go through with it.
Stick it on the Juggernaught since he has a higher weight cap, kit with clip mod and piercing (or stabilizer). Put Incendiary on it, and light all the things on fire. Occasional use of Siege Pulse to detonate (but generally keep it at 4 stacks for DR). Melee enemies to almost dead, finish with Spitfire (appears to me that points awarded to challenge status are not split by ability usage, rather awarded in full to whichever ability was logged for the kill).Captainpuke":1fkb7nbk said:
Jug move speed is bad enough, making it worse is just cruel. That said, I soloed a bronze as a jug with a Spit to grind out the last 70k I needed. I suggest that route if you hate yourself.
Put it on a Destroyer or Turian Soldier to get their weapon bonuses (and the TS prox mine debuff is key here) to actually output real damage, though.
This isn't true. I've gotten many weapon challenges completed on assists or mixed ability kills.
How it assigns the points may be a little wonky, but it does split them.
Put it on a Destroyer or Turian Soldier to get their weapon bonuses (and the TS prox mine debuff is key here) to actually output real damage, though.
LodeRunner":3g3ahh7y said:
This isn't true. I've gotten many weapon challenges completed on assists or mixed ability kills.
How it assigns the points may be a little wonky, but it does split them.
Eh, Adrenaline III. Good enough, provided the team doesn't scatter to the winds (but you've got a bazillion shields, so in Bronze/Silver that doesn't matter too much as long as you can occasionally melee something.Psion":20trr9si said:
Hmm, I'll try that sometime, Destroyer's clip size boost should make the Spitfire somewhat hilarious.Psion":20trr9si said:
Wonky is a good word for it. I've had times when I was trying for power points and I was finishing things off with a pistol, and the pistol challenge got the bulk (sometimes seemed like all, but I wasn't logging the numbers) of the points even though the powers were doing 75%+ of my outgoing damage.Psion":20trr9si said:
LodeRunner":38441f15 said:
Adrenaline on Juggs help a lot, but IIRC from the preview right before Reckoning, the devs said that Spitfire slows down everyone except for the Juggernaut.
I was also always curious how they do assist points versus kills. There are times when you turn around, pop an atlas in the ass for it's last little bit of armor and get a huge amount of kill points despite the fact that you did like 5% of the life damage to it (and vice versa ofc). Anyone know how this is split?
Randomly as far as I can tell. Allegedly it's based on damage dealt, but, as you say, I've done 95% of the damage, then a teammate pops it and I get 75% the points that they did. If points weren't totaled at the end, that would actually piss me off.Captainpuke":21apiwrn said:
Roughly half is determined by the damage split and the other half is awarded as a bonus to whoever got the killing blow. There's a split out for assists as well (e.g. stasis) but I forget what the formula is there. There may be another bonus for either one-shot kills or one-shot headshot kills since I seem to remember getting more points for mooks with a sniper rifle but I almost never use one so I might be misremembering.Captainpuke":2qbfhjsh said:
I wonder why they decided the kill bonus should be so large. Surely it would make more sense to have the kill bonus be like <25% of the total points, not nearly half...
Also, it would be hilarious if they kept track of over-damage (like overhealing in mmo's). See how much extra damage all those snipers are wasting on mooks. I wonder how different most scoreboards would look if the numbers were completely based on total damage?
Also, it would be hilarious if they kept track of over-damage (like overhealing in mmo's). See how much extra damage all those snipers are wasting on mooks. I wonder how different most scoreboards would look if the numbers were completely based on total damage?
Also, another interesting question that I don't particularly care what the answer is. What happens if you damage and atlas, an engineer comes and repairs him back to full health, and someone else kills it entirely without you damaging it?
Also do you get points for strictly shield/barrier damage? It seems to matter, but at reduced rate to armor/health?
Also do you get points for strictly shield/barrier damage? It seems to matter, but at reduced rate to armor/health?
Grayrest":2gci5615 said:
It's not for headshots specifically, but doing more damage even if that extra damage is irrelevant to the target (i.e. both attacks would kill it). Yes you can actually get more points off the same enemy by hitting them Extra More To Death than if you just hit them to death. So headshots, which give you a 250% damage bonus in this specific case, are technically doing More Overkill, and you get points for it.
it's ridiculous, yes
The suppressor is pants. Ammo of a pistol, damage per round of an smg. Thank goodness i had power to actualy kill things.
I want to hang this quote on a wall somewhere.Josh A.K.A CLF":23z6vdkt said:
Also,
Headshots, headshots, headshots--or don't even bother. I put it on the Drell Assassin and ran around like green-skinned James Bond, capping all the peoples in the head. Beautiful stuff.Wraith":23z6vdkt said:
The only downside is the occasional wonkiness of headshot detection (where a scoped shot to the face or head is not registered as a headshot), either due to lag or something else. Most often I did notice it with the Supressor because it's damage is so much lower when the headshot fails. Thanks to that, my Carnifex is still more useful on my Asari Adept when using stasis.That PJ":3sr5bum0 said:I want to hang this quote on a wall somewhere.Josh A.K.A CLF":3sr5bum0 said:
Also,
Headshots, headshots, headshots--or don't even bother. I put it on the Drell Assassin and ran around like green-skinned James Bond, capping all the peoples in the head. Beautiful stuff.Wraith":3sr5bum0 said:
The Supressor has what ... a 4x headshot multiplier vs the standard 2.5? It has a higher ROF than the Carnifex and Paladin, so I suppose if you're deadly accurate with headshots you can be a super mook-killing machine. The advantages end there, however. The M11 has a base damage of 157 at X, vs 345 for the Carnifex and 531 for the Paladin, so you'd better have another method for dealing with elites.
Psion":1nyctpeg said:
Yes, that's my experience as well. You can test it fairly easily with consumables to make your sniper rifle extra strong, and you'll get extra points for the same headshot against same enemy.
Josh A.K.A CLF":6lnd8dqh said:
Yeah, if they really wanted to make it a viable weapon, they'd have to give it the same spare ammo pool as the Phalanx or the starter pistol. It's pretty heavy for a simple mook killer and you'll run out of ammo long before you run out of mooks. I could handle being tethered to an ammo crate when I was running the Striker or the Falcon with their staggering ability, but since the Suppressor's only x-factor is "pretty good at mook killing but only with headshots", they should really give you more room to work with.
I'm pretty good with headshots but i still had to use a pistol amp to get them to one-shot reliably. Without it was shoot, wait, line up again which took too long. body shors are completely pointless and i wasn't even bothering with them. I was using it with carnage or incinerate to take take of things i could kill with the head. It's going to take a lot longer than i expected to get 20K points with it though.
The Suppressor also works against mid-tier enemies, not just mooks. You can drop Marauders faster than their bullshit guns can drop you, which is saying something. Death to Hunters and especially Pyros, etc. Pyros are a free xp farm for a Suppressor.
I like it, but it's totally a "carry something else with it or have boss-killing powers" type gun. And not every build is suited for that. Also, put a cranial trauma module on it. You're not getting far without headshots anyway, might as well go for it without the weight penalty of heavy barrel. For example, I can see it working really well with drell adept since you're charging from ammo box to ammo box for grenades anyway.
Wraith: it's not really a one shot gun. It fires stupid fast for a reason and has pretty low aimpoint deviation. Line up on the head and fire rapidly at medium range or closer, they'll all go in the right place. At long range you can still shoot faster than you might think. Don't compare it to a Paladin or Carnifex, compare it to a Phalanx. They're very close, statwise, except for the part where the Suppressor has ludicrous headshot damage.
I found 200k easy enough with it. On bronze you can even plink bosses. They have head hitboxes, and if you put cranial trauma and/or a VI targeting headshot consumable on, those bonuses do apply. It's how I saw someone buzzsaw a gold praetorian with a Valkryie (which has a 3x multiplier) - even though bosses don't have the 250% headshot damage everything else does, those multipliers still stack up.
I like it, but it's totally a "carry something else with it or have boss-killing powers" type gun. And not every build is suited for that. Also, put a cranial trauma module on it. You're not getting far without headshots anyway, might as well go for it without the weight penalty of heavy barrel. For example, I can see it working really well with drell adept since you're charging from ammo box to ammo box for grenades anyway.
Wraith: it's not really a one shot gun. It fires stupid fast for a reason and has pretty low aimpoint deviation. Line up on the head and fire rapidly at medium range or closer, they'll all go in the right place. At long range you can still shoot faster than you might think. Don't compare it to a Paladin or Carnifex, compare it to a Phalanx. They're very close, statwise, except for the part where the Suppressor has ludicrous headshot damage.
I found 200k easy enough with it. On bronze you can even plink bosses. They have head hitboxes, and if you put cranial trauma and/or a VI targeting headshot consumable on, those bonuses do apply. It's how I saw someone buzzsaw a gold praetorian with a Valkryie (which has a 3x multiplier) - even though bosses don't have the 250% headshot damage everything else does, those multipliers still stack up.
Apparently there's a survey about ME3 multiplayer maps: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ME3MPMaps
According to http://www.gamespot.com/news/bioware-se ... ck-6406811 it's formally a BioWare thing, but who knows?
According to http://www.gamespot.com/news/bioware-se ... ck-6406811 it's formally a BioWare thing, but who knows?
Well, Bioware knows, since they posted about it on their blog. http://blog.bioware.com/2013/04/10/mass ... ap-survey/
Y'all should take it and add comments in. Increase the signal to noise that they are going to receive.
Interestingly, as I answered these questions, I realized that despite being kind of bored with most of the maps, they are mostly really good. Save a couple overly difficult objectives on certain maps (e.g. circle hack in reactor), they are all fun in different ways. Some leave you exposed. Some are good for cqc. Some are sniper havens. There is a nice variety. Save the drabness and darkness of a few, mostly the visuals are pretty good too. I found myself giving them mostly good marks.
Interestingly, as I answered these questions, I realized that despite being kind of bored with most of the maps, they are mostly really good. Save a couple overly difficult objectives on certain maps (e.g. circle hack in reactor), they are all fun in different ways. Some leave you exposed. Some are good for cqc. Some are sniper havens. There is a nice variety. Save the drabness and darkness of a few, mostly the visuals are pretty good too. I found myself giving them mostly good marks.
I took it, downvoted the really annoying bits but overall i feel he same. The maps are pretty good in general apart from the odd annoyance.
I switched to the executioner for a bit. Bwhahaha! it's like a sniper rifle with utterly ridiculous recoil and bizzarely the sound effect sounds like a tree branch snapping or something along those lines. It's amusing.
I also went back to the carnifex to see if i was imagining it being better than it was. It turns out i was. It's good but i wasn't getting quite the performance i was expecting even with a high headshot rate.
I switched to the executioner for a bit. Bwhahaha! it's like a sniper rifle with utterly ridiculous recoil and bizzarely the sound effect sounds like a tree branch snapping or something along those lines. It's amusing.
I also went back to the carnifex to see if i was imagining it being better than it was. It turns out i was. It's good but i wasn't getting quite the performance i was expecting even with a high headshot rate.
Viridis":1ubeiwi1 said:
Thanks for the heads up, agreed that everyone here should take it to help out. Even if they don't get anything useful out of it, I am just glad that this is a subtle indication that there is a future to this team making more multiplayer. I am bought in to whatever they do next, even if it isn't Mass Effect, though obviously the rich universe helps.
Captainpuke":1gudrsdy said:
That was my opinion as well. I found that each map has exactly one or two things which annoyed me, but by and large I liked all of them.
Well, except Condor. That still sucks, with London being a close second.
Condor, London, and Goddess seem to me to have a similar vibe. But I like them in exponentially increasing order. I love how difficult goddess is, I don't mind how difficult London is, and Condor is probably my least favorite map of the all. I have been trying to put my finger on why I feel that way with no success. A lot of similarities between those three maps, yet I have very different feelings about them.
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