We're literally at the point now with this pandemic that broadband access is no longer a luxury but a necessity. They need to take that into consideration in regards to how they structure this thing.
It's time to face the fact that the ONLY way forward that makes sense is for municipalities to take over providing the physical infastructure. On each and every one of the NCTA's arguments, a municipality would stomp all over them:
Looking from Europe where in most countries telecom services are privately produced, NOT owned by municipalities and prices are way lower than in US, this statement makes absolutely no sense.It's time to face the fact that the ONLY way forward that makes sense is for municipalities to take over providing the physical infastructure.
One way to make things super expensive is to provide a monopoly to one party. Doesn't matter if it is public or private, monopoly is a very bad idea. Municipal monopoly for essential service is just a infinitely squeezable tax screw and easily exploitable by corrupt politicians.
Enforce competition. That is the only way to make things affordable on the long term.
The physically infrastructure usually is a monopoly (at least in the UK). Nobody wants to have to dig up phone lines to their homes every time they switch supplier. It's simpler and cheaper for everyone to allow companies to simply put their own hardware in the telephone exchange and reuse the existing infrastructure.Looking from Europe where in most countries telecom services are privately produced, NOT owned by municipalities and prices are way lower than in US, this statement makes absolutely no sense.It's time to face the fact that the ONLY way forward that makes sense is for municipalities to take over providing the physical infastructure.
One way to make things super expensive is to provide a monopoly to one party. Doesn't matter if it is public or private, monopoly is a very bad idea. Municipal monopoly for essential service is just a infinitely squeezable tax screw and easily exploitable by corrupt politicians.
Enforce competition. That is the only way to make things affordable on the long term.
Then investigate what made them fail and fix the issue. I bet you it was permitting + laws that allow incumbent telcos to effectively prevent buildup of competing networks by allowing suing too easily.Looking from Europe where in most countries telecom services are privately produced, NOT owned by municipalities and prices are way lower than in US, this statement makes absolutely no sense.It's time to face the fact that the ONLY way forward that makes sense is for municipalities to take over providing the physical infastructure.
One way to make things super expensive is to provide a monopoly to one party. Doesn't matter if it is public or private, monopoly is a very bad idea. Municipal monopoly for essential service is just a infinitely squeezable tax screw and easily exploitable by corrupt politicians.
Enforce competition. That is the only way to make things affordable on the long term.
At least for physical infrastructure, competition is dead in the US. Google tried to install fiber and failed, miserably. They simply couldn't afford all the roadblocks the incumbents set up. Starlink will be a solution in rural areas, but will be seriously bandwidth constrained in urban areas.
I suppose we could go the route of infrastructure as a heavily regulated utility, but the incumbents have been able to stop that as well. At this point nuking them from orbit could be the only way forward in the US.
It should bother you, because it's a way for a company to make money off of other businesses' clients. Those clients, faced with increased costs, will push those costs off to their own customers.Paid prioritization doesn't bother me in the least.
Netflix pays for internet access through it's own providers, which would be Level 3 and Cogent. So, no, it's not free to Netflix. In turn, Level 3 and Cogent negotiate agreements with other providers like Comcast.The Netflix, et al, plan of *free* interconnect is so obviously abusive and stupid that it must be some sort of false bargaining position.
It's not so much "allow," as deluded ourselves that last mile "local loop" competition was practical, or even desirable, and pretended that DSL was a competitor to coax for far longer than it actually was in most places in the US. It's like suggesting that there should be two sets of water pipes going to every house, or two competing electricity utilities, or most tellingly in regards to Title II, that it'd make sense to have multiple telephone wires running to every house.I always found it ironic and somewhat baffling that the USA, a country that firmly believes in free market forces and capitalism, would allow a completely monopolistic and anti-competitive cabal to capture a vital market such as telecommunications, then manage it like the Mafia manages influence turfs.
My understanding of Europe is limited, but at least in the UK, there's still a single monopoly for the actual cable going to everyone's home, but they instead allowed competition over who gets to deliver service over that cable, aka local loop unbundling:Meanwhile, otherwise socialist Europe has broken down old monopolies and enjoyed growth and innovation..
That sounds like a "perfect is the enemy of good" situation.Vote no to municipal ISP's funded by local taxes!
The only real long term solution is to annex all last mile, giving authority to a single local co-op for last mile, as a dumb pipe only, connecting the consumer to a global wholesale ISP market, maintaining competition between ISP's to compete without ever touching the last mile.
Looking from Europe where in most countries telecom services are privately produced, NOT owned by municipalities and prices are way lower than in US, this statement makes absolutely no sense.It's time to face the fact that the ONLY way forward that makes sense is for municipalities to take over providing the physical infastructure.
One way to make things super expensive is to provide a monopoly to one party. Doesn't matter if it is public or private, monopoly is a very bad idea. Municipal monopoly for essential service is just a infinitely squeezable tax screw and easily exploitable by corrupt politicians.
Enforce competition. That is the only way to make things affordable on the long term.
Then investigate what made them fail and fix the issue. I bet you it was permitting + laws that allow incumbent telcos to effectively prevent buildup of competing networks by allowing suing too easily.Looking from Europe where in most countries telecom services are privately produced, NOT owned by municipalities and prices are way lower than in US, this statement makes absolutely no sense.It's time to face the fact that the ONLY way forward that makes sense is for municipalities to take over providing the physical infastructure.
One way to make things super expensive is to provide a monopoly to one party. Doesn't matter if it is public or private, monopoly is a very bad idea. Municipal monopoly for essential service is just a infinitely squeezable tax screw and easily exploitable by corrupt politicians.
Enforce competition. That is the only way to make things affordable on the long term.
At least for physical infrastructure, competition is dead in the US. Google tried to install fiber and failed, miserably. They simply couldn't afford all the roadblocks the incumbents set up. Starlink will be a solution in rural areas, but will be seriously bandwidth constrained in urban areas.
I suppose we could go the route of infrastructure as a heavily regulated utility, but the incumbents have been able to stop that as well. At this point nuking them from orbit could be the only way forward in the US.
The two biggest barriers to low cost quality services are 1) lack of a competitive marketplace, usually due to local regulation and 2) geography. It just isn't cost effective to string fiber optic cable to every home in rural areas. The US is geographically huge, a fact lost even on many US residents.
Putting the .gov in charge doesn't change 1 and you can't really do anything about 2. Putting the .gov in charge of anything will raise costs because every decision is political and efficiency/economy goes out the window because nobody has skin in the game. It's a shame how many people can't understand that, either.
Link to the old discussion thread:
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The two biggest barriers to low cost quality services are 1) lack of a competitive marketplace, usually due to local regulation and 2) geography. It just isn't cost effective to string fiber optic cable to every home in rural areas. The US is geographically huge, a fact lost even on many US residents.
Putting the .gov in charge doesn't change 1 and you can't really do anything about 2. Putting the .gov in charge of anything will raise costs because every decision is political and efficiency/economy goes out the window because nobody has skin in the game. It's a shame how many people can't understand that, either.
1) The marketplace isn't competitive because it can't be. Physical infrastructure is monstrously expensive to put in. There's a reason why we don't have competition for infrastructure like water, sewer, electricity, roads. It's too damn expensive and disruptive to have actual competition at that level.
2) The urban US is just as dense as anyplace else on the planet and that's where roughly 80% of Americans live. Yeah, rural service will be a problem and that can be solved exactly like rural telephone and rural electrification were.
And it's funny, you seem to completely discount the places where internet service HAS been treated like a utility and it does just fine. But don't let your ideology get in the way or anything.
There isn't LLU in the US, which is why paid prioritization is a real concern, and has arguable already happened.Paid prioritization doesn't bother me in the least. If there is LLU, that's a problem that will be heavily mitigated.
It sounds like you don't understand how the internet originally worked, and how it's supposed to work.The Netflix, et al, plan of *free* interconnect is so obviously abusive and stupid that it must be some sort of false bargaining position.
The two biggest barriers to low cost quality services are 1) lack of a competitive marketplace, usually due to local regulation and 2) geography. It just isn't cost effective to string fiber optic cable to every home in rural areas. The US is geographically huge, a fact lost even on many US residents.
Putting the .gov in charge doesn't change 1 and you can't really do anything about 2. Putting the .gov in charge of anything will raise costs because every decision is political and efficiency/economy goes out the window because nobody has skin in the game. It's a shame how many people can't understand that, either.
Local phone companies were always regulated as a common carrier without ever being annexed.Annex the last mile! A vote for ISP as a utility is a vote for annexation.
Local phone companies were always regulated as a common carrier without ever being annexed.Annex the last mile! A vote for ISP as a utility is a vote for annexation.
There's some places with Electricity provided by a private company that's just heavily regulated. ConEd is one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_Edison
Saying ISPs should be treated like a utility doesn't necessarily mean they should be annexed as government property.
The Netflix, et al, plan of *free* interconnect is so obviously abusive and stupid that it must be some sort of false bargaining position.
Your current ISP likely already takes plenty of tax money. The FCC is giving away $16 billion for rural expansion:I am against municipal ISP's forcing tax payers who are happy with their current ISP and/or own stock with their current ISP, or who choose NOT to pay for internet, to subsidize a socialist internet.
Right, Netflix can easily change providers, and has in the past. You, however, don't have as many options. And because you're basically captive to your ISP, you're a much stronger bargaining chip than Netflix is for its ISPs. If you start getting slow traffic from Netflix, all you can do is grumble a bit. If Netflix starts seeing slow traffic from its ISP, it can jump ship. So ISPs like Comcast can degrade service and play chicken to see who loses their customers first, because it's not going to be Comcast.The Netflix, et al, plan of *free* interconnect is so obviously abusive and stupid that it must be some sort of false bargaining position.
You pay your ISP to connect you to the Internet so you can access Google, Netflix, whatever you desire.
Netflix pays their ISP to connect them to the Internet so they can sell you their service.
Under normal circumstances it would be in the best interest of both your ISP and Netflix's ISP to strike a deal to have a good connection between them.
And typically this deal is that each supports their side of the costs of improving their connection to each other without money really changing hands.
Instead because you are a hostage to your ISP, your ISP thinks they can get away with charging Netflix or Netflix's ISP money on top of the money you're already paying.
If there was real competition your ISP would never be able to pull that off.