Lexus’ new 2021 LC500 Convertible puts on the pretty

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The vertical extensions of the headlight clusters make me think of a bad face tattoo.

My exact reaction. It reminds me of the tear tattoos that you see in prison inmates.

I'd like the headlights if they didn't intersect the inlet vent. I agree that with the vent it looks too much like a tear drop.
 
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So the rear seats are only for passengers without legs?

Yeah, why not dump the rear seats, use the area for storing the retracted top & more trunk space, and then release a LC500h convertible with a bit more battery power for a bit more power?

I assume it's for insurance purposes. I seem to recall 90s Camaros with similar rear seats.

I'm not sure how they fit test dummies in for crash tests though.
 
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I drive a convertible, but I don't think convertibles improve the looks of any car.

Coupe looks better here, just as it does on Cayman vs Boxster, and just about every other car I can remember.
highly subjective, but IMHO Jag E type looks much better as a roadster, rather as a coupe.
 
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I drive a convertible, but I don't think convertibles improve the looks of any car.

Coupe looks better here, just as it does on Cayman vs Boxster, and just about every other car I can remember.
highly subjective, but IMHO Jag E type looks much better as a roadster, rather as a coupe.

I was just thinking a lot of the design details reminded me of things pointed out on Doug DeMuro's Jag F-type R convertible vid from last week. Well, Except the Jag is 550 HP V8 monster.
 
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So the rear seats are only for passengers without legs?

Yeah, why not dump the rear seats, use the area for storing the retracted top & more trunk space, and then release a LC500h convertible with a bit more battery power for a bit more power?

I’m not sure how you would do that without messing up the aerodynamics or designing a really complicated roof mechanism that would be prone to failure.

My guess is that they don’t want to lose out on selling to the few people for whom not being able to fit a car seat would be a deal breaker.
 
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I drive a convertible, but I don't think convertibles improve the looks of any car.

Coupe looks better here, just as it does on Cayman vs Boxster, and just about every other car I can remember.

Agree in general, but one exception is the Audi TT, especially 1st gen. They really improved the 2nd gen coupe but it still feels like it was meant to be a roadster. The less is said of gen 3 the better.
 
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I would also really enjoy someone explaining what the deal with the rear seats is, perhaps an exercise for @JimResnick1? I've always heard the line about insurance being lower on a 4 seat vehicle, but insurance companies are heavy in to statistics, there's no way they'd be fooled by that lipstick on this pig.

So surely there must be some other reason, i'd truly love to know.
 
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So the rear seats are only for passengers without legs?

Yeah, why not dump the rear seats, use the area for storing the retracted top & more trunk space, and then release a LC500h convertible with a bit more battery power for a bit more power?

I’m not sure how you would do that without messing up the aerodynamics or designing a really complicated roof mechanism that would be prone to failure.

My guess is that they don’t want to lose out on selling to the few people for whom not being able to fit a car seat would be a deal breaker.

It has nothing to do with babies. Insurance rates on 4-seaters are significantly lower than roadsters, even if the seats barely qualify as such. See also: Toyota 86
 
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I would also really enjoy someone explaining what the deal with the rear seats is, perhaps an exercise for @JimResnick1? I've always heard the line about insurance being lower on a 4 seat vehicle, but insurance companies are heavy in to statistics, there's no way they'd be fooled by that lipstick on this pig.

So surely there must be some other reason, i'd truly love to know.

This thing has the same curb weight as a two-row cab F-150. It is not a Fast Car™.
 
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I find it interesting that the opinions here are so negative. This is definitely my dream car (well, the coupe version) at the moment. One of the only non-EVs I'd even look at.

Yeah, it's heavy - but the end result of that is why I like it. It's not trying to be a race car, just an incredibly comfortable, stylish and luxurious touring coupe. There's only like 3 of these left in the US now that Mercedes dropped the S Class coupe, and the other 2 (Wraith/Continental GT) are in a whole different ballpark of cost.
 
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Honeybog

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So the rear seats are only for passengers without legs?

Yeah, why not dump the rear seats, use the area for storing the retracted top & more trunk space, and then release a LC500h convertible with a bit more battery power for a bit more power?

I’m not sure how you would do that without messing up the aerodynamics or designing a really complicated roof mechanism that would be prone to failure.

My guess is that they don’t want to lose out on selling to the few people for whom not being able to fit a car seat would be a deal breaker.

It has nothing to do with babies. Insurance rates on 4-seaters are significantly lower than roadsters, even if the seats barely qualify as such. See also: Toyota 86

That’s a myth. Also, this is a $110k car, insurance isn’t going to be cheap regardless.

https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/no- ... any-266842

https://www.autoinsurance.org/sports-car-insurance/

The truth is, however, that the definition of a sports car can vary a great deal between any two given auto insurance companies, or vary from state to state.

Generally speaking, the biggest factors in classifying a car as a “sports car” include engine size, number of cylinders, horsepower, or engine modifications.

There are also smaller, more subtle factors to be considered as well, including:

Number of doors
Gross weight of the vehicle
Aftermarket racing-style upgrades, such as suspension or tires
Convertible tops
Flashy, custom paint or wheels
 
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I find it interesting that the opinions here are so negative. This is definitely my dream car (well, the coupe version) at the moment. One of the only non-EVs I'd even look at.

Yeah, it's heavy - but the end result of that is why I like it. It's not trying to be a race car, just an incredibly comfortable, stylish and luxurious touring coupe. There's only like 3 of these left in the US now that Mercedes dropped the S Class coupe, and the other 2 (Wraith/Continental GT) are in a whole different ballpark of cost.

Lexus does not have many fans on Ars. By and large Cars Technica community thinks their body designs are hideous, their infotainment is years out-of-date, and their underlying power train and chassis tech is obsolescent.
 
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So everything is better digital.. except the clock, right? Even if keeping the hands and circular display shouldn't it be LCD or OLED like the cluster? If you're staying analog, it's certainly not for the accuracy compared to GPS.

Yeah the analog clock on the dashboard just so tacky.
 
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I find it interesting that the opinions here are so negative. This is definitely my dream car (well, the coupe version) at the moment. One of the only non-EVs I'd even look at.

Yeah, it's heavy - but the end result of that is why I like it. It's not trying to be a race car, just an incredibly comfortable, stylish and luxurious touring coupe. There's only like 3 of these left in the US now that Mercedes dropped the S Class coupe, and the other 2 (Wraith/Continental GT) are in a whole different ballpark of cost.

Lexus does not have many fans on Ars. By and large Cars Technica community thinks their body designs are hideous, their infotainment is years out-of-date, and their underlying power train and chassis tech is obsolescent.

Everytime I see a Lexus, I see someone who paid too much for a Toyota.

And I'm a Toyota owner myself.
 
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I find it interesting that the opinions here are so negative. This is definitely my dream car (well, the coupe version) at the moment. One of the only non-EVs I'd even look at.

Yeah, it's heavy - but the end result of that is why I like it. It's not trying to be a race car, just an incredibly comfortable, stylish and luxurious touring coupe. There's only like 3 of these left in the US now that Mercedes dropped the S Class coupe, and the other 2 (Wraith/Continental GT) are in a whole different ballpark of cost.

Lexus does not have many fans on Ars. By and large Cars Technica community thinks their body designs are hideous, their infotainment is years out-of-date, and their underlying power train and chassis tech is obsolescent.

Everytime I see a Lexus, I see someone who paid too much for a Toyota.

And I'm a Toyota owner myself.

Honestly, for some vehicles like the GX vs the current 4Runner you not only paid too much but you bought an uglier version of the same car.
 
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Not a huge fan of this, esp at the price point. The interior and design just feel dated and honestly a little cheap after seeing what Lucid is bringing to the table. I actually feel like the interior in Mazda's 2021 lineup is arguably better when it comes to the front dash.

Also, not sure why you'd even bother with the rear 'seats' at that point, that's not useful at all.

I want to like it, the overall profile is pretty nice. But this isn't really great here at all.
 
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Having driven a Lexus, it feels "solid", but the steering on these cars always felt "mushy".
It's like I turn steering and it takes a small delay for the car to actually turn

avoiding that steering feel is pretty much at the top of my list of considerations. it always makes me feel like i'm driving some 1970s land yacht.
 
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Honeybog

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I find it interesting that the opinions here are so negative. This is definitely my dream car (well, the coupe version) at the moment. One of the only non-EVs I'd even look at.

Yeah, it's heavy - but the end result of that is why I like it. It's not trying to be a race car, just an incredibly comfortable, stylish and luxurious touring coupe. There's only like 3 of these left in the US now that Mercedes dropped the S Class coupe, and the other 2 (Wraith/Continental GT) are in a whole different ballpark of cost.

Lexus does not have many fans on Ars. By and large Cars Technica community thinks their body designs are hideous, their infotainment is years out-of-date, and their underlying power train and chassis tech is obsolescent.

Everytime I see a Lexus, I see someone who paid too much for a Toyota.

And I'm a Toyota owner myself.

Conversely, you could argue that that’s exactly why someone might buy a Lexus over a similarly priced Mercedes. Both have luxury-price features and materials, but the Toyota part that means that the former isn’t going to suffer a catastrophic failure or depreciate like a rock.
 
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I find it interesting that the opinions here are so negative. This is definitely my dream car (well, the coupe version) at the moment. One of the only non-EVs I'd even look at.

Yeah, it's heavy - but the end result of that is why I like it. It's not trying to be a race car, just an incredibly comfortable, stylish and luxurious touring coupe. There's only like 3 of these left in the US now that Mercedes dropped the S Class coupe, and the other 2 (Wraith/Continental GT) are in a whole different ballpark of cost.

Lexus does not have many fans on Ars. By and large Cars Technica community thinks their body designs are hideous, their infotainment is years out-of-date, and their underlying power train and chassis tech is obsolescent.
I mean I would agree with that about just about every one of their cars, but the LC500 is a whole different beast. Yeah, their infotainment is trash, but it has physical buttons for everything except the heated seats, so meh. The interior is better than anything else in the price bracket, the exterior is straight from a concept car, and it's got a NA motor which is something enthusiasts rant and rave about not being able to find anymore.

It doesn't really compete with anything in its price bracket (because it focuses on comfort over speed), but it's clearly the best of the competition. There's the F-Type, which has a beautiful exterior, but still has an interior out of the aughts and underpinnings which haven't been changed in as long. There is the SL, which is awkwardly proportioned and also hasn't been updated in a decade minus a nose job (it still has a number pad!!!). There's the 8 series which is really just the 6 series with a big price - nothing special about it at all, from interior to exterior. The interior of the Infiniti Qwhatever is just plain laughable.

Ironically the Lexus probably has the best infotainment of the lot with the exception of the 8 series (which says something because yeah, it's awful).
 
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Honeybog

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I find it interesting that the opinions here are so negative. This is definitely my dream car (well, the coupe version) at the moment. One of the only non-EVs I'd even look at.

Yeah, it's heavy - but the end result of that is why I like it. It's not trying to be a race car, just an incredibly comfortable, stylish and luxurious touring coupe. There's only like 3 of these left in the US now that Mercedes dropped the S Class coupe, and the other 2 (Wraith/Continental GT) are in a whole different ballpark of cost.
. There's the F-Type, which has a beautiful exterior, but still has an interior out of the aughts and underpinnings which haven't been changed in as long.

Technically mid-90s for the V8 engine, although its had a few iterations. I’d give it a pass, those, because it’s a hell of a V8.
 
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