Lead admin of child sex abuse website pleads guilty, faces 20 years to life
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Restitution?
I get it on a legal level... I guess. On a real-life, practical level, however, how the hell does one determine a proper compensation for what these children went through?
I get it on a legal level... I guess. On a real-life, practical level, however, how the hell does one determine a proper compensation for what these children went through?
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Seems a bit of an odd article for ArsTechnica. "Some people do something really illegal... get caught." I had expected an article here to cover some interesting bit of technical IT sleuthing that made the case (was this even on the dark web or just hidden on the open web?), or some interesting legal issues regarding privacy / surveillance / entrapment that complicated the case. Those are the kind of issues Ars gets into.
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Always like to read that they're able to track these guys down and shut down sites.
Anyone know what this means? How did the FBI "seize" his IP address? I'm unclear on whether this means that they're alleging that the FBI took over his computer remotely or if they're just saying that the FBI traced his traffic back to him to get the warrant? And that somehow that shouldn't be allowed?
Anyone know what this means? How did the FBI "seize" his IP address? I'm unclear on whether this means that they're alleging that the FBI took over his computer remotely or if they're just saying that the FBI traced his traffic back to him to get the warrant? And that somehow that shouldn't be allowed?
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I think we should reserve negative consequences for actions like (but not limited to) creating, acquiring, or distributing csam or assaulting. I see no reason for executing someone for their thoughts.
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until it's some statute you disagree with of course then we don't need to expand it any further.
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I wonder if it's here to provide some balance for the outrageous story on willfully incompetent prosecutors using a religious app to put a man in jail--lest we start to think that maybe ACAB and we don't need law enforcement at all.
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We should also expand mental health care and social services instead of focusing on "bad man..go to jail / deathrow". I forget the name of it, but there was a good NPR podcast I heard some years back interviewing pedophiles. A lot of them know and understand their thoughts are bad both in a societal context and just in a human context, but their "wires" are just crossed. The equivalent of an "AA" meeting is better for them than immediately throwing the book at them.
Don't get me wrong..if you're running some service trading in hardcore infant / toddler CSAM you're a real piece of shit and I agree you belong in a hole on par with any sort of mass murderer, but there is a large spectrum here.
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I didn't hear the podcast but I saw a comedian talking about when he was 12, he liked grape juice and 12 year old girls. Now he likes wine and adult women, but still likes grape juice. Says he dodged a bullet.
I think any rational person will agree that these people have their wires crossed, but when you have a fire risk in your walls you can't just leave it alone.
If they can't control their actions (as disgusting as they are I don't want us policing thoughts) they can't be part of society.
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Guessing it could be related to some of the old MPAA/RIAA lawsuits over file sharing where several courts found that IP address <> Specific Person. Maybe in this case the FBI also had the DHCP logs from the ISP and were able to convince a judge that this IP was used by this MAC address at this address(the defendants) for the time(s) in question.
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I'd guess the "seizing" was redirecting the IP to another site where they could monitor the traffic, then pass it on to the target site so that the interception wasn't detected.
In another thought:
I get that people are stupid. But seriously, if you're into doing illegal stuff, especially of THIS nature, having an "account" is like hanging out on the streets with your freshly killed murder victim waiting for the cops to drive by and arrest you. It's probably good that these idiots aren't into opsec at all (thanks "Dave"!), but it takes a special kind of stupid to leave such an easily tracked trail.
Good news for the victims, and future victims. Very bad news for the deviants who get off on that kind of shit.
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A lot of commenters here endorsing murder.
Civilized people don’t kill each other. They also don’t abuse children, but they don’t kill each other.
If you think murdering someone is a good solution to a problem, there is something very wrong with you.
Civilized people don’t kill each other. They also don’t abuse children, but they don’t kill each other.
If you think murdering someone is a good solution to a problem, there is something very wrong with you.
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Especially because it was almost certainly dark web stuff. But these guys use anonymous file websites and I'll bet it was some backtracking and poor opsec from there. Plus I assume law enforcement employ some extremely clever people for this sort of thing, some extremely clever software that we can't get, a lot of patience and hard work, and my god you would have some job motivation. Alternatively, did they have to use some social engineering to get into the loop? If so there's someone who deserves some stress leave.
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DaVuVuZeLa
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That's his guilt talking. He knew it was only a matter of time before the feds came knocking on his dor.
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Misread the headline - thought it was someone running a site dedicated to STOPPING CSAM who was found guilty of trafficking in it, which would have been a little more interesting / surprising.
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When I was living in Canada, they had one prison in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan, that held only two kinds of prisoners. Snitches and pedophiles.That’s how a civilized society locks up such people. Whether they ever let them out also determines how civilized they are.
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Where did you read that the recidivism rate for these types is 100%?
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chaos215bar2
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Good, you won’t be missed.
If you can’t even bring yourself to refer to someone as an actual person, terrible as their actions may have been, that’s a sure sign you’re in no position to pass judgement.
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For someone who presents themselves as super tough, your inability to handle a single comment without flouncing is amusing!
Also, you're not going to do it for me because that is impossible, there is no credible cite to validate your claim.
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It's impossible, however, you bring up an interesting point. Prisoner's are allowed to make something like $0.10/hr. Due to corporate exploitation of inmates, the likely outcome is CoreCivic(CCC) and their partners will reap 99.99999% of the rewards of that labor, while the victim is left with an absolute-shit restitution of $48/year(assuming 40hrs/week, if the hours are less than that, even worse ) for being an innocent victim of a horrific crime.
For-profit prisons are literally profiting off the backs of victim restitution.
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The goal of the justice system should be rehabilitation, not penalization. That said, it isn't "huge penalties" in general that people seem to be reacting to, but rather the specific desires for either state-sanctioned murder or extrajudicial violence from other inmates towards the accused. The latter is never an appropriate penalty, and there's good arguments that the former isn't either.
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Yeah I hear you, and I for sure don't disagree that those seeking help, need it. Even those caught, there is a spectrum of just how bad is it really. The bad ones likely cannot be fixed and don't deserve freedom. The not so bad ones...well, most likely they can't be trusted with freedom, but also don't deserve some maximum security prison locked up 23hrs a day.
More the equivalent of group home/minimum security type setup. Many psychological disorders, there is no real cure for. There is at best treatment, of varying levels of improvement possible. With a "disorder" that threatens those around them, can or should someone really be granted true freedom? Your typical narcissist who can't really be "cured", is likely no real threat to society and those around them, and treatment at best might mitigate their symptoms and improve coping. But even if the narcissist willingly seeks treatment, they cannot be "fixed".
Currently our society does not grant that. At "best" they'll serve some period of time in prison (probably getting no real help) and then be released and monitored for life (again, probably getting no real help). I don't know what the best option is to encourage people to seek help, when they are going to be identified as what society would consider potentially dangerous and deviant. "sure we'll help you, but and also we need to keep an eye on you, and you also should never have access to children" doesn't seem like a great way to encourage people to seek help. Yet, that probably is what is needed.
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