Kasich vetoes heartbeat bill; bans 20wk abortions to challenge Roe v. Wade

With legal fight during “Trumpmania,” conservatives see potential for abortion laws.


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[Eldorito]

a_v_s[/url]":5ckmuj8h]Also, one problem with banning 20wk abortions, is that genetic testing doesn't uncover all problems with development. Those are worked out at your 20wk ultrasound. If you ban 20wk abortions, you are basically saying you are going to force women to bring to term a baby that may not even make it (which causes emotional stress), and/or you are forcing them to raise a child with all sorts of birth defects. While that may be a morality issue of whether or not you should terminate based on birth defects, but if you wanted to go that route, they should ban genetic testing altogether, because hey, it could be construed as immoral to terminate a baby, just because they have trisomy-18, so the test should be illegal, amirite?

And this isn't even theoretical, there are cases where a woman is required to carry a dying child within her body, as it's still "alive" and doesn't pose a risk to the mothers life. So that's the law, it stays in until the baby dies, then they can induce labour and take it out.

Imagine spending days or weeks with a dying baby inside you. The extreme mental anguish that would cause and the utter cruelty simply because some morons don't want to accept that abortion isn't the worst thing in the world is just inhumane.

 

[Eldorito]

h0nda[/url]":qhyraw0e]I can see why the ability to abort a fetus at any stage of development is so precious to you liberals posting on this topic, It`s because you are part of the "ME" generation. All you are concerned about is me, myself and I. You don`t give any consideration to the possible consequences of your actions, it`s called lack of personal responsibility. With you libs it`s always someone else`s fault. If I get pregnant it`s because contraceptives are too hard to get, I have to take a pill everyday (not any more), condoms don`t feel right or I`m too embarrassed to purchase them, I was too drunk, I was high, heat of the moment, etc... Do you see a pattern here, excuses, excuses, excuses. Access to contraceptives has never been easier and yet the rate of unwanted pregnancies and abortions continue to increase. Why? Lack of personal responsibility.

Aren't you American? What ever happened to personal rights, the government not forcing itself upon you, freedom to speech, liberty and all that jazz? Why the shit is the government defining personal actions and the decisions of families?

Personally, abortion would be a hugely difficult decision for myself and my partner. But, should it ever happen (I've made it to my 30's without it being an issue), it would be one WE would want to make.

You want the "ME" generation? Try talking to the people who built up masses of wealth on the backs of bubbles and the generation of greenhouse gasses, who vote to protect obese social securities and tell me they weren't just looking out for themselves.

I am happy Kasich vetoed the Heartbeat Bill, (was a poorly written bill), and put a stop to abortions past the 20 wk mark. Have any of you, that advocate abortion at any stage of pregnancy, every looked at actual photos of a fetus at 20 wks of development, and before. The fetus is fully formed, moving, can feel pain and is definitely a miniature version of a human being. Premature babies have survived at 21 wks, so to say they are not sentient human beings is false.

This is a pretty rubbish emotional argument. The vast majority of abortions happen before 20 weeks, the ones that happen afterwards are usually people who were the victim of rape that are only coming to terms with it or situations where the baby could potentially die/won't live/could harm the health of the mother. You can pretend that you're the defender of life but it's a much, much more complicated situation than that.

The fact that you are able to post about the abortion issue at all is because your mothers decided to keep their pregnancy when they could have aborted it. Perhaps they made the wrong decision?

My mother had a miscarriage that she still talks about to this day, 40 years later. I'll make sure she knows that because of some potential decision she made, made she overstressed herself during the pregnancy, maybe she made some wrong decision about diet, she killed someone who could have had an idiotic argument with you on the internet.

Besides, you're trying to appeal to emotion but it really doesn't work. I never would have existed and I'm sure my mother would have had a reason. I actually care deeply about her happiness, because she's a human who has a life and responsibilities and faced a huge number of decisions in her life. I simply never would have existed and someone else would have. Because I'm not part of the "me" generation I can actually accept that. Apparently you can't.

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The number of abortions in the US has been steadily decreasing since the 1980s. Despite the population growing.

So your whole rant is based upon a lie, to begin with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_ ... ted_States

And yet
http://www.numberofabortions.com

59 Million and counting........how many babies do we need to murder before we're ashamed of ourselves?

I love how they include decimal places in that. How do you measure 0.2 of an abortion?