It just works: Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition Linux Ultrabook review

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autopilot

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the laptop looks good, thanks for the review!

notes on linux:

* 2 finger scroll has been around for the last 2 years (fedora and ubuntu)
* xorg conf has been deprecated for even longer and at least in the latest fedora it even properly does not shut down laptop if lid is closed with external monitor attached
* the software managers have gotten only better

and realistically - 99% of laptop use case is: browser, occasional spreadsheet/document and listening to music (rhythmbox/banshee or flash in the page)

as a developer i add editing code and opening terminal windows to the list, but really, linux has reached the level of "good enough" for quite a bunch of home users without any proficiency in computers. the only struggle being the initial install - which means you just need to have it preloaded or somebody lends you 2 hours of his to get everything ready for you.

once i explained to the person how "installing new programs" works (run "install software", find what you need by name and install) the process from there is comparable to android appstore - they just sometimes ask "is there an app to do X in linux?" and if there is i can point them to it.
 
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Thorburn

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Small note in the article - the XPS 12 doesn't have dual touchscreens - it has a single screen that flips in the bezel.

[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332047#p24332047:2lun8e59 said:
Carewolf[/url]":2lun8e59]The ugly:
Why would you buy this over a ThinkPad T series?

The XPS 13 is actually a pretty nice looking machine IMO and there build quality has improved considerably. The T430 range is no beauty, they cost more, and they all lack of a 1080p screen means I'd have the Dell every time.
 
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Linux is not yet "ready for the desktop," and I'm doubtful it will ever be—at least not in the sense that an average person could use it full-time without any assistance.

By that standard, Windows isn't ready for the desktop either. Neither is Mac OS X, or Apple wouldn't be lauded for their Genius Bar.

Linux ain't perfect. But I've used it as my main desktop - on a PC and netbook - for several years now. It's never given me any worse trouble than Windows did, and overall it's given me less trouble.

And my mother's netbook got Windows XP removed and Ubuntu installed - no hassles ever since. At all.

I think, by your own standard, Linux is ready for the desktop. Or at least as ready as anything else is...
 
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I think this review indicates a general problem:

It's rather unfair to say "Linux isn't ready for the desktop/laptop." It's that people buy B-list hardware and expect it to work for free. In a race to the bottom, manufacturers can't help themselves using crappy/buggy chipsets and misconfigured BIOSes. Just look at all the stories recently about HP and IBM and everyone else trying to re-focus their attention away from the commodity market because it's caving in. The companies that continue to be successful -- Lenovo and Apple --- produce excellent, well-built hardware with top-end parts, good firmware, and solid cases.

Which laptops don't run Linux well? the same ones with cheap molded cases, broken wifi chipsets with unsupported firmware, and flimsy plastic screen hinges.

If you buy a good machine --- a thinkpad, say --- Linux install is generally 5-clicks-and-done. Then it "just works". Of course, no one complains about installing Windows or MacOS because it comes preinstalled automatically.

I'm very glad Dell is putting in a serious effort here. I hope they join the ranks of Lenovo and Apple to contribute some competition to the "well-built" market segment.

edit: spelling
 
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ugurbohr

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Linux is not yet "ready for the desktop," and I'm doubtful it will ever be—at least not in the sense that an average person could use it full-time without any assistance.

Well, I am using Linux (Ubuntu 12.04) for a year and to me it's quite ready for the desktop.

Edit: Oh and I ve never struggled with any driver issues or something on my Asus laptop.
 
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"I don't think anyone is arguing that Linux hasn't earned its place in the data center—it most certainly has—but there's no way I'd feel comfy installing even newbie-friendly Ubuntu or Mint on my parents' computers."

Pesky Linux fanboy alert here, but Linux, especially the very Windows 95-like distros, are very newbie friendly, and arguably less alienating to novices stuck in old habits than, say, Windows 8. I managed to get my girlfriend to use Mint happily until Windows only specialist software (Trados) forced her to switch back, and my parents had no problem adapting to Ubuntu, and certainly don't miss having to deal with the mysterious ever-increasing sluggishness of Windows Vista.

It all comes down to if the hardware plays well with your chosen Linux distro. If it doesn't, you'll need some under-the-hood skills.
 
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autopilot

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by looking on the photos of the laptop there is just one complaint - if it is developer friendly, why oh why did they removed the home/end/pgup/pgndn buttons to be now pressed together with the function button - writing code requires lots of editing and those 4 are very useful.

ctrl+home now turns into ctrl+fn+home, and "select everything from here till end?" - ctrl+fn+shift+home
 
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I've got one and I'm very happy with it. The screen, albeit glossy, is much less reflective than my macbook screen. Apparently they found some sort of decent middle of the road here.
The bottom isn't "chess-patterned plastic", but carbon fibre according to the specs. And I'm quite happy with Unity actually; my expectations were pretty low but I got used to it quickly (I normally use good ol' WindowMaker) so I finally decided to be lazy and keep it as is instead of installing it with Slackware or Debian as I originally planned.

My colleague bought the same machine with Windows 8 instead. Well, I won't make any harsh comments, but... Linux is indisputably readier for desktop than Windows 8 :)
 
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332047#p24332047:2097p8c5 said:
Carewolf[/url]":2097p8c5]The ugly:
Why would you buy this over a ThinkPad T series?

Actual Linux support by the OEM, but other then that I admit, no reason, has Thinkpad usually work pretty well under Linux, has they then to get hardware certification from SUSE and Red Hat, on at least one model each series.

Actually with my T520 under Linux got better out of the box driver support then under a basic windows 7 pro install (no trouble with Lenovo factory install but don't want to deal with the bloatware), got to install like 15-20 driver if want do a fully manual installation, those include all the network interface, has none is recognized. But easiest way is just install the ethernet driver and the Lenovo update software, if your not in a secure (damn thing leave an open port, at least last version I used) or restricted update environment.
 
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Ifndefx

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Distros like Ubuntu and mint have gone a long way in making user friendly desktops. The only issue has always been the hardware, like many people have pointed out. The combination of both the hardware, with support directly for Linux, and a user friendly desktop from Ubuntu there shouldn't be any problems with new users to adopt Linux using dells product.

On a side note, stating that Linux is not ready for the desktop shows that the author has not done their research and using old knowledge to help them through writing this article. The fact of the matter is that Linux has come leaps and bounds, and there has been a concentrated attention on usability and refining the overall feel. The only concern that I have with Linux, especially for me, is Nvidia and their dodgy drivers. If I can break away from Nvidia I would be a happier person.
 
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332157#p24332157:1xtbwi5z said:
koolraap[/url]":1xtbwi5z]Can it dual boot to Windows? Games.

For some games.

Steam coming to Linux changed this for me. I used to dual-boot, referring to Windows as "the 100 buck bit of software that turns my 1000 buck PC into a 300 buck console..."

That Windows partition is probably about three months out of date on patches now. I've not felt the need to boot into Windows at all - I have 33 games installed in my Steam library, and that keeps me busy enough. Sure, I'll probably miss some AAA titles - but I never played most of those anyway. My current gaming time is taken up by Hat Fortress 2, FTL and a little Solar 2.

If you want AAA titles, I'd agree we're not there yet. If you just want to play games, then come on in - the water's fine!
 
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332069#p24332069:3emo3m3s said:
autopilot[/url]":3emo3m3s]the laptop looks good, thanks for the review!

notes on linux:

* 2 finger scroll has been around for the last 2 years (fedora and ubuntu)

Aye, I have a slow netbook and some stuff works better on it than Windows XP (like 2 finger scroll), but the WiFi is a pain to set up properly.
 
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koolraap

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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332183#p24332183:3tp9m5nr said:
PhilipStorry[/url]":3tp9m5nr]
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332157#p24332157:3tp9m5nr said:
koolraap[/url]":3tp9m5nr]Can it dual boot to Windows? Games.

For some games.

Steam coming to Linux changed this for me. I used to dual-boot, referring to Windows as "the 100 buck bit of software that turns my 1000 buck PC into a 300 buck console..."

That Windows partition is probably about three months out of date on patches now. I've not felt the need to boot into Windows at all - I have 33 games installed in my Steam library, and that keeps me busy enough. Sure, I'll probably miss some AAA titles - but I never played most of those anyway. My current gaming time is taken up by Hat Fortress 2, FTL and a little Solar 2.

If you want AAA titles, I'd agree we're not there yet. If you just want to play games, then come on in - the water's fine!

Good points, I was thinking of older games I have on the shelf. I'm mainly Xbox gaming when I have time.

As a dev I would love to see the return of 4:3 screens. The more code you can see the better.
 
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332235#p24332235:1a2hdggv said:
Glenn[/url]":1a2hdggv]Terminology question: what is a "kernel PPA"? Googling just yielded links to other PPA's, which wasn't helpful :) I'm guessing it's some kind of patchset?

Personal Package Archive. It's a privately-maintained package archive that might hold newer versions of a given program than are available from the official distribution, or programs that aren't otherwise available yet, or are configured a specific way.

A kernel PPA will have a specially-configured version of the Linux kernel, which is the underlying guts of the operating system.
 
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steelgrass

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Lee Hutchinson seems surprised that Linux just worked. I am not sure why. Linux will work on most pieces of hardware over a certain age - that age being the amount of time it takes to reverse engineer all the device drivers for the new hardware and get the resulting drivers into the distro you are using.

So yes, this was different in one way - Linux just worked on a brand new piece of hardware. But even that should not be so surprising. The reason it worked is the same reason why Windows just works on new hardware. Someone (Dell in this case), took the time to write the device drivers for it before the hardware was released, and included them in the box. So no, you didn't have to go to some PPA repository to find the driver - it was right in the box. Just like it would be for Windows.

I guess that now means you will now have one more experience in common with Windows. If you ever have to reformat the disk and don't have access to the installation media, you are going to have to find these drivers on manufacturers web site. Fortunately Dell is very good in that way. Or at least they are for Windows drivers. I presume they will provide a similar service for Linux.

Actually no, that's probably wrong. Because by the time you need a new HDD, the drivers will already be in the next release of Ubuntu. So maybe Dell XPS 13 Developer edition users will be spared the joyfull experience of reinstalling Windows from media, then spending a happy hour of so downloading all the drivers from Dell and installing them, and then spending a day of rebooting as Windows downloads every patch that been released and installing it from Windows update. Gawd, how I love that particular chore.
 
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tkeith

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I have been running Ubuntu as my main home operating system for 7+ years.I have not really seen all the problems you've described, so I feel it's a bit misleading to the reader on how bad Linux is. I will admit when there is a problem, it is often difficult to solve and involves a command line and searching for missing steps. Granted I'm usually working with older hardware from Dell or HP.

I really like that Dell is actually trying to make Ubuntu an option for purchase, but my experience with Dell's Ubuntu offerings has not been good. My mini 9 was stuck on an old custom Ubuntu that was not optimized to the device, at a time when Ubuntu offered the still awesome and unrivaled netbook remix.

I guess I'm not your typical home user or Linux user(I actually like Unity) but I thought I'd put in my 2 cents.
 
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The only two issues I've had with Ubuntu over the last few years are 1) track pad drivers and 2) battery use/sleep mode. Other than those, dual screens, sound, wireless have just worked for awhile. So it sounds like dell has brought the laptop experience up to speed with what it has been on the desktop for awhile.
 
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sbol

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I know there have already been a bunch of "my parents use Linux" posts, but I thought I'd add another, in case there's someone who's /almost/ convinced.

My mother had a laptop struggling under XP. It would take an eternity to boot, and there was lag even when typing. I installed Ubuntu 12.04 for her, and she loves it. She uses the browser, LibreOffice and one of those photo-viewing apps. Zero problems.

My friend's mother has been on Ubuntu for ages, too. She's happy and won't even look at a Windows machine, now.

I myself have only been using Ubuntu on my laptop for a year. I had zero hardware problems with installing 12.04 on my cheap, plastic-hinged, bendy Sony Vaio. I use a dual-screen setup, too.

Maybe the author should give Linux a try again. The OS (especially Ubuntu) has come a long way, in terms of drivers and usability. I had tried Linux on a cheap laptop around 6 years ago and given up. Totally different now.
 
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Hearing your complains about Linux not being ready and especially reading your statements that you did not expected sound to work out of the box, I have started to suspect, that you run 20y old hardware.

Or some vintage&specialized hardware.


Come one. Get commodity hardware from any shop around the corner, than install up to date Ubuntu on it...


Dell did great job, but its not that hard. I have asus notebook, with no drivers from asus for Linux, and it still work out of them box without any problems (and Ubu do install gpu drivers, not like find-it-yourself by Win7).
 
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332071#p24332071:10p24iim said:
Thorburn[/url]":10p24iim]Small note in the article - the XPS 12 doesn't have dual touchscreens - it has a single screen that flips in the bezel.

[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332047#p24332047:10p24iim said:
Carewolf[/url]":10p24iim]The ugly:
Why would you buy this over a ThinkPad T series?

The XPS 13 is actually a pretty nice looking machine IMO and there build quality has improved considerably. The T430 range is no beauty, they cost more, and they all lack of a 1080p screen means I'd have the Dell every time.

T430 doesn't cost more...I got mine for $800 and spent an extra $50 to install 8GB more of RAM. I now have 12GB more than is possible in the Dell and could upgrade to 16GB. The 1600x900 screen isn't terrible either and it has better battery life and the ability to have 3 SSD/HDD installed. It's heavier true, and some consider it ugly( I don't), but it's more powerful and I have a discrete GPU if I need it ever too. Ubuntu 12.04 runs like a champ. Dual screens works fine, so does two-finger scrolling once you turn it on in the options. Only thing that's poorly supported is the optimus graphics switching but that's every laptop with optimus's problem.

T530 has a 1080p option as well.
 
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=24332109#p24332109:25ntp6se said:
bimsebasse[/url]":25ntp6se]certainly don't miss having to deal with the mysterious ever-increasing sluggishness of Windows Vista.

I am pretty sure the mysterious ever-increasing sluggishness is general to all version of windows, it just that with Vista it tend to be the worse offender for at the time it was sold the OEM hardware was mostly inappropriate for it.
 
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I know you were sarcastic in not expecting the sound to work out of the box. But I didn't realise that would be a Linux issue in general.

I've installed Linux on 20+ computers over the last 10+ years, using Knoppix, Fedora and lately Ubuntu, and sound has always worked out of the box. The only hardware I've ever had to install myself was Nvidia 3D in Fedora.
 
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I take issue with your "One-handed opening leads to whole laptop lifting up instead of smoothly opening" item. I have this same problem with the MacBook Air I use at work. I can't open it one-handed, the whole thing just comes off the table. I can't think of any Ultrabook-class system I've ever not had this problem with and although it is a real problem you failed the mention that the MacBook Air is just as bad.

I'm also not a big Unity fan, I personally prefer Gnome 2.0, but even that isn't fantastic. It really seems like the new shells are all thrown together by programmers and graphic designers without thinking about usability. They're all designed to be pretty and have features. People just want a simple and fast way to get at what they want, not constant unneeded changes in interface.
 
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sbol

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From the "mom" point of view, Ubuntu is way less confusing than Windows. It's in fact a perfect use case, imho.

All of the updates coming from one place is a /great/ feature. My mother was always confused by separate updaters for the various programs she had installed (flash, acrobat, java, etc).

How is she supposed to know the difference between dialog boxes where she should click "yes" (followed sometimes by an app-specific update wizard), and the security risks where she should definitely click "no"?

Note: I'm not an Ubuntu fanboy. It just happens to be the only distro I've ever used.
 
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This is very, very interesting to me. I usually avoid Dell like the plague, but this looks like a very nice, very competitively priced high-end machine.

I'm typing this on a ThinkPad X201s. In my opinion, once configured, it is the finest Linux laptop available. That said, if I was going to replace it tomorrow, I would likely buy this Dell.

I use Linux everywhere and want to support it commercially. The first of these Sputnik laptops was a joke with the 1366x768 display. This one, however, looks ideal and is priced competitively with similar machines.

At work, I've purchased and configured four ThinkPad X1 Carbon's for various people. One of these was a dual-boot Ubuntu install. It worked fine, but the trackpad was a little funny, and there's no support for this configuration from Lenovo.

Doing a price comparison between the Ubuntu Dell and an X1 Carbon, the Dell comes out to $1602 CAD with a three year warranty, the X1 Carbon is $2028 CAD. The X1 Carbon has a 1600x900 screen comapred to the Dell's 1920x1080. And I don't have to wipe Windows and fiddle with Linux. And I'm showing a major company that I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is with an Ubuntu laptop that isn't low-end garbage.

Actually, this is starting to sound pretty good. Perhaps I'll upgrade my X201s sooner than I'd planned.

Thank you for the fair review, Ars!
 
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