ISPs cheer pause of rule that guards private data from security breaches

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Solidstate89

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Internet users would be confused by having two different sets of rules for ISPs and website providers, they argued.

"Americans care about the overall privacy of their information when they use the Internet, and they shouldn’t have to be lawyers or engineers to figure out if their information is protected differently depending on which part of the Internet holds it," Pai and Ohlhausen wrote.

You are so fortunate, Pai, that I do not have the super power to hate people to fucking death.
 
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The whole world is for sale to the highest bidder. The republicans would sell their own mothers if they could.

Let the partisan downvoting begin.

Not the whole world, just the US.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention to what the CIA has been up to for the last few decades.
 
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Dilbert

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Internet users would be confused by having two different sets of rules for ISPs and website providers, they argued.

"Americans care about the overall privacy of their information when they use the Internet, and they shouldn’t have to be lawyers or engineers to figure out if their information is protected differently depending on which part of the Internet holds it," Pai and Ohlhausen wrote.

You are so fortunate, Pai, that I do not have the super power to hate people to fucking death.
Well, we are all nerds here. We could write an RFC to introduce spitting in the face over TCP/IP protocol? We could call it SITF over TCP/IP for short.
 
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Dilbert

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I might as well sell my private info for a premium now, before it's freely available to everyone. Any bidders?
You joke, but someone (sorry can't remember the source) thought about suing data brokers for theft, rather than fight an uphill battle for their privacy. If data is valuable, then taking it for free* should be theft.

(*For example parsing your e-mail content when it's sent to a gmail recipient, or having your picture posted by someone else on facebook when you aren't a facebook user. Users of those services get those services in return for their data. Non users get snared by their tracking also, and get nothing in return.)
 
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Cognac

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Internet users would be confused by having two different sets of rules for ISPs and website providers, they argued.

"Americans care about the overall privacy of their information when they use the Internet, and they shouldn’t have to be lawyers or engineers to figure out if their information is protected differently depending on which part of the Internet holds it," Pai and Ohlhausen wrote.

I'm not quite sure he understands how the internet works. This is kind of like saying big retail stores need to adhere to the same standards as the companies that make and maintain the roads consumers drive on to get to those stores, otherwise people will be confused.
 
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Internet users would be confused by having two different sets of rules for ISPs and website providers, they argued.

"Americans care about the overall privacy of their information when they use the Internet, and they shouldn’t have to be lawyers or engineers to figure out if their information is protected differently depending on which part of the Internet holds it," Pai and Ohlhausen wrote.

I'm not quite sure he understands how the internet works. This is kind of like saying big retail stores need to adhere to the same standards as the companies that make and maintain the roads consumers drive on to get to those stores, otherwise people will be confused.

This is a great idea actually since I get very confused in stores. I'd love to see retail stores subjects to the same standards as roads. Then we could all walk or push carts in an orderly fashion, have traffic lights to direct people, have "road signs", speeding tickets for people rushing by me....

Who can I talk to in order to get this moving?
 
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Ajit Pai bites deep into the mostly-dissolved skull of an infant. Black ichor spurts from tears in the child's ruined face. Pai closes his eyes, giving the juicy, crunchy morsel a few contemplative chews before swallowing. "Here's the thing" he says, before taking another bit of the top of the infant's skull. "People are stupid." He sprays the assembled press corp with putrescence. "I mean," he swallows, "most people are retards, plain and simple. Here," he holds up the half-devoured infant head. "Look at me!" he says in a high voice. "Mr. Pai grabbed me from the hospital and no one stopped me. All those smarty-pants doctors and nurses. I think they're too dumb to handle two sets of privacy protections, hmmmm?" Pai crunches down on the head a third time, and proceeds to spit out chips of bone that would later be identified as the infant's undeveloped teeth.

"So yeah," Pai says. "We can't have these fucking retards getting confused about their protections, brows furrowed in a vain attempt to grasp their situation." He slurps the remainder of the child's brain from the cup of its skull like a jello shot, then tosses the remains indifferently to one side. "I mean, we've got to consider basic human dignity, here."
 
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DarthSlack

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If you didn't vote for Hillary, whether it was abstaining, voting third party, or voting for Trump, this is what you were voting for.

Remember that come the next election.


I get where you're coming from, but it really is the Trump voters that bear the real responsibility.

I mean who the fuck looks at that list of candidates, with an option to write in anyone else, and decides "Yup, Trump is the most qualified"?

I don't care if you do hate Hillary with the force of a bazillion suns. You could have written in Hunter S. Thompson and it would have been a better choice than Trump.
 
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Ajit Pai bites deep into the mostly-dissolved skull of an infant. Black ichor spurts from tears in the child's ruined face. Pai closes his eyes, giving the juicy, crunchy morsel a few contemplative chews before swallowing. "Here's the thing" he says, before taking another bit of the top of the infant's skull. "People are stupid." He sprays the assembled press corp with putrescence. "I mean," he swallows, "most people are retards, plain and simple. Here," he holds up the half-devoured infant head. "Look at me!" he says in a high voice. "Mr. Pai grabbed me from the hospital and no one stopped me. All those smarty-pants doctors and nurses. I think they're too dumb to handle two sets of privacy protections, hmmmm?" Pai crunches down on the head a third time, and proceeds to spit out chips of bone that would later be identified as the infant's undeveloped teeth.

"So yeah," Pai says. "We can't have these fucking retards getting confused about their protections, brows furrowed in a vain attempt to grasp their situation." He slurps the remainder of the child's brain from the cup of its skull like a jello shot, then tosses the remains indifferently to one side. "I mean, we've got to consider basic human dignity, here."

Did this make anyone else think of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (monkey brains)? Will Mr. Pai extract a beating human heart from the confused masses next?
 
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If you didn't vote for Hillary, whether it was abstaining, voting third party, or voting for Trump, this is what you were voting for.

Remember that come the next election.


I get where you're coming from, but it really is the Trump voters that bear the real responsibility.

I mean who the fuck looks at that list of candidates, with an option to write in anyone else, and decides "Yup, Trump is the most qualified"?

I don't care if you do hate Hillary with the force of a bazillion suns. You could have written in Hunter S. Thompson and it would have been a better choice than Trump.

Not talking about responsibility, I'm talking about what the de facto result is of choices.

If you looked at Trump and said either --- "He's great, I'm voting for him," "I can't see a difference between a sexual assaulting sociopathic liar and a woman politician that has been the victim of a decades long smear campaign, no need to vote against him," or "I need to prove a point to the DNC, I'm doing something other than voting for Hillary, damn the consequences," --- then you were doing the same thing, you were saying Trump is good enough for you.
 
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siliconaddict

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I'm usually a nonviolent person. But I have some seriously violent thoughts that are going through my head right about now. Pai is a class one asshole, and he isn't even bothering to try and cover it with some even half plausible excuse.

Confusion? Really? Could you at least have gone with cost of implementation at this time is prohibitive until we can research a better method at a later date or some such BS.
 
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Flit

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"The federal government shouldn’t favor one set of companies over another—"

Jeeeeesus christ these people are stupid.

In the case of regulation, of COURSE you want it to be limited, narrow, and only when necessary and applicable only to companies you intend to regulate. What they're arguing for is "the big book of government regulations", where everybody has to meet all regulations all the time.

Party of small government my ass.

An ISP is not an edge provider, and as a consumer I don't have a choice of the info I provide to them based on the websites I visit. If Yahoo wants to have corrupt cookies all over the place and not tell anyone, I get to not use Yahoo. What is my option if Comcast does something similar? Move to an area where I get someone other than Comcast as an option?
 
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calson33

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Anytime anything is done to prevent "consumer confusion", my bullshit meter flies into overdrive.

Well, a lot of consumers seem to be confused about Republicans' desire to screw them over.

Pai is doing his best to make sure that everyone knows they will. Unfortunately, I don't think it will be enough.
 
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Justin Credible

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Yes, I get very confused with my personal data is not lost to hackers on a regular basis. it is very distressing when we deviate from the norm.

Deviate from the norm? RUSH reference?

I always thought all trolls should DIAF, but Pai-Hole is now on that list.
 
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LeftCoastRusty

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Dear NCTA,

I fixed your press release for you. Here is the applicable part.


“Today’s FCC action to issue a temporary stay of the data security regulation is a welcome recognition that consumers benefit most when NON-EXISTENT privacy protections are consistently applied throughout the Internet ecosystem."


That should improve the comprehension of your real statement, NCTA.


Sincerely,

the "benefiting" consumers.
 
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mltdwn

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Instead of being confused, I'll be crystal-clear on the fact that you're bending us all over without lube. Thanks, Pai!

Yeesh, drama much? They aren't saying that, they are saying the rules and framework should be the same across the board and should be enforced by the FTC, not the FCC. They are trying to get things consistent rather than having this group handle some rules, this other group handle some others, and sometimes the rules overlap so which ones do you follow.... Working for a bank I see similar clusters all the time. The OCC is in charge of some things, the FED is in charge of others, and in some things they both overlap but their rules contradict one another. So which ones do we follow and when? It gets to the point where you spend more time dealing with regulation and documentation of following the regulations/audits than you do actually doing productive work that furthers the business's bottom line, or creates new product options for customers.

Look at it this way, I'm a business analyst. My job is to be the representative of the business line to the IT group, help in developing solutions that further the business, and work the technical side of projects in design, architecture and engineering as well as implementation. Know what most of my job actually is though? Filling out more audits on my system and putting off the business line so that I can answer constant regulatory requests.
 
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jdietz

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Is Pai right? Are data security laws that apply to generic businesses' handling of customer data sufficient to protect an ISP's customers? If so, then it's good that this stay was issued.

It seems one-sided though. The FCC should "borrow" the FTC's authority to investigate consumer protections for ISP businesses. Because the FCC has more contact with ISP businesses than the FTC does. I work in the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry. FDA inspectors borrow OSHA's authority to investigate workplace safety. Because FDA inspectors have more contact with pharmaceutical manufacturing plants than OSHA does, and it makes sense to do both inspections simultaneously.
 
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