iPad Pro upgraded from A-series CPU to full M1

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The livestream is still going, so maybe there will be some software announcements as well. But it seems the problem is still iPadOS. The MacBook Air/Pro can now run all the same iOS apps, as well as proper macOS apps, with true windowing support. If you try to compare more than a few documents to each other on an iPad, you spend your time closing and re-opening each document. On the MacBook, they can just live side by side.

The livestream itself showed this: they showed all the things you can do at once on the iMac because of the power of the M1 chip, then showed the same chip in the iPad Pro, which almost forces you to single-task.

I understand there are some workflows that work better with touch and pen support, but it seems like the MacBook Air/Pro combined with the lower-cost iPad or iPad Air in Sidecar for touch and pen support would be cheaper and allow users to be more productive than an iPad Pro + iPad Magic Keyboard.

Also, if the MacBooks and iPads share the same silicon, how long before the MacBooks get 5G support of their own?
 
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Incredible technology... hobbled by iPadOS.

How I wish I could just have a MacOS-running iPad... or a Macbook Air with Pencil. For now I guess I just need to keep carrying carry two devices.

That's the real hinderance for me as well, I typically have way too many applications open at once. Bouncing around between more than two on the iPad isn't the most pleasant.
 
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Incredible technology... hobbled by iPadOS.

How I wish I could just have a MacOS-running iPad... or a Macbook Air with Pencil. For now I guess I just need to keep carrying carry two devices.

100% this. Give me macOS on the iPad Pro and I'll happily throw my money at them. Until then, it'll be a new laptop that I'll keep for 7 years.
 
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I wonder how this will go down among digital artists, especially if they can add the ability to run programs that run on M1-based MacOS machines

Wacom must be feeling a little concerned

I already like my OG Pro better than my Wacom and will almost certainly upgrade to the new one. I’d love to see Capture One on that iPad.
 
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The big surprise is that the new iPad Pros have the M1 SoC, just like full-blown Mac computers.
No surprise here at all. Fully expected Apple to do that. There is a convergence coming. One day iOS, iPadOS, macOS will be one called appleOS.
Nope. Nor should they.
 
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atomic.banjo

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The livestream is still going, so maybe there will be some software announcements as well. But it seems the problem is still iPadOS. The MacBook Air/Pro can now run all the same iOS apps, as well as proper macOS apps, with true windowing support. If you try to compare more than a few documents to each other on an iPad, you spend your time closing and re-opening each document. On the MacBook, they can just live side by side.

The livestream itself showed this: they showed all the things you can do at once on the iMac because of the power of the M1 chip, then showed the same chip in the iPad Pro, which almost forces you to single-task.

I understand there are some workflows that work better with touch and pen support, but it seems like the MacBook Air/Pro combined with the lower-cost iPad or iPad Air in Sidecar for touch and pen support would be cheaper and allow users to be more productive than an iPad Pro + iPad Magic Keyboard.

Also, if the MacBooks and iPads share the same silicon, how long before the MacBooks get 5G support of their own?

Will be interesting to see what comes in the next releases of iPadOS.
 
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The big surprise is that the new iPad Pros have the M1 SoC, just like full-blown Mac computers.
No surprise here at all. Fully expected Apple to do that. There is a convergence coming. One day iOS, iPadOS, macOS will be one called appleOS.
Unless there's a big philosophical shift at Apple, I don't see that happening. Like, they just separated iPadOS from iOS in 2019.
 
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This is some powerful hardware, let down by the inflexibility of iPadOS. The differentiation between the iPad Pro and the Mac is artificial at this point.

It should allow you to switch to the macOS UI and run macOS apps if you have a keyboard and trackpad/mouse connected, while retaining the iPadOS UI and iPad apps for touch use.

I think this is the real best-of-both worlds Microsoft was trying for with the Surface, but failed at because there will never be a UI that's good for both touch and keyboard/mouse use.
 
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Incredible technology... hobbled by iPadOS.

How I wish I could just have a MacOS-running iPad... or a Macbook Air with Pencil. For now I guess I just need to keep carrying carry two devices.

I'm really hoping WWDC brings some real pro enhancements to iPad OS. The thunderbolt port alone screams that more is coming soon.
 
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The big surprise is that the new iPad Pros have the M1 SoC, just like full-blown Mac computers.
No surprise here at all. Fully expected Apple to do that. There is a convergence coming. One day iOS, iPadOS, macOS will be one called appleOS.

Nope. Apple's vision for the personal computer was always closed by default, for security and ease of use. But you can't build a platform on a machine like that.

MacOS can bootstrap itself, which you need for development. I know these seem similar in so many ways, but MacOS has a command line, a full UNIX stack, can run unsigned apps (which happens constantly - see every data scientist out there).

For most people, even most people using a Mac, the iPad Pro would be perfect. Surf the web do your day to day stuff. No security risks, easy app install and updating, virtually no tech support needs. But in order to build that environment, you need the Mac. You need Homebrew and the ability to bust through the various security layers present in iOS.

iOS needs to be closed in order to deliver for the majority of people, and MacOS needs to be open to do the job Apple and others need it to do. The iPad Pro can do all of these things the Mac can't - 5G, touch, pencil, etc. but you can't build iPad apps on it. At all. You need a Mac to do that. Always will.

That's the only inviolable law of iOS/MacOS. Everything else is negotiable - mouse support, touch support, etc. They'll get more and more overlap, but they can never, ever merge.
 
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The big surprise is that the new iPad Pros have the M1 SoC, just like full-blown Mac computers.
No surprise here at all. Fully expected Apple to do that. There is a convergence coming. One day iOS, iPadOS, macOS will be one called appleOS.

Nope. Apple's vision for the personal computer was always closed by default, for security and ease of use. But you can't build a platform on a machine like that.

MacOS can bootstrap itself, which you need for development. I know these seem similar in so many ways, but MacOS has a command line, a full UNIX stack, can run unsigned apps (which happens constantly - see every data scientist out there).

For most people, even most people using a Mac, the iPad Pro would be perfect. Surf the web do your day to day stuff. No security risks, easy app install and updating, virtually no tech support needs. But in order to build that environment, you need the Mac. You need Homebrew and the ability to bust through the various security layers present in iOS.

iOS needs to be closed in order to deliver for the majority of people, and MacOS needs to be open to do the job Apple and others need it to do. The iPad Pro can do all of these things the Mac can't - 5G, touch, pencil, etc. but you can't build iPad apps on it. At all. You need a Mac to do that. Always will.

That's the only inviolable law of iOS/MacOS. Everything else is negotiable - mouse support, touch support, etc. They'll get more and more overlap, but they can never, ever merge.

Well maybe they could do some kinda app virtualization or container stuff to make a sandbox environment for development on iOS.
 
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Moodyz

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Hopefully that new MiniLED display tech makes its way to the smaller iPad Pro in 12 or 18 months time, along with more efficient 5G chips (and carrier coverage to match) and file management improvements to iPadOS. I'll probably be considering a new laptop around that time, and the iPad gets more enticing as a laptop replacement with each new version.
 
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biggerx

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I wonder how this will go down among digital artists, especially if they can add the ability to run programs that run on M1-based MacOS machines

Wacom must be feeling a little concerned


I literally bought an iPad last year just for digital art. I have a screen protector that feels like paper too. It it much better than a Wacom.
 
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kezeka

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I know it’s not OLED but at least it’s got a decent dynamic range. It’s probably for the better anyway since I keep my iPads for much longer than iPhones and I’m sure burn in has a high chance of being problematic on an iPad when editing or using programs with static tools.

In any case, I’m actually jazzed about this. Was hoping they would release a lower cost version of the XDR display that was rumored but maybe they are saving that for the MacBook Pro/iMac Pro? Announcement later this year. As The Rolling Stones keenly sang “you can’t always get what you want”... particularly true in 2020-21 with all of the supply line problems.

Edit: now was supposed to be not. Thanks autocorrect. Mistake fixed. I know the screen is miniLED.
 
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The big surprise is that the new iPad Pros have the M1 SoC, just like full-blown Mac computers.
No surprise here at all. Fully expected Apple to do that. There is a convergence coming. One day iOS, iPadOS, macOS will be one called appleOS.

Nope. Apple's vision for the personal computer was always closed by default, for security and ease of use. But you can't build a platform on a machine like that.

MacOS can bootstrap itself, which you need for development. I know these seem similar in so many ways, but MacOS has a command line, a full UNIX stack, can run unsigned apps (which happens constantly - see every data scientist out there).

For most people, even most people using a Mac, the iPad Pro would be perfect. Surf the web do your day to day stuff. No security risks, easy app install and updating, virtually no tech support needs. But in order to build that environment, you need the Mac. You need Homebrew and the ability to bust through the various security layers present in iOS.

iOS needs to be closed in order to deliver for the majority of people, and MacOS needs to be open to do the job Apple and others need it to do. The iPad Pro can do all of these things the Mac can't - 5G, touch, pencil, etc. but you can't build iPad apps on it. At all. You need a Mac to do that. Always will.

That's the only inviolable law of iOS/MacOS. Everything else is negotiable - mouse support, touch support, etc. They'll get more and more overlap, but they can never, ever merge.
Basically, the second they release XCode for iPadOS is the second I start the macOS sunset timer.
 
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Moodyz

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I wonder how this will go down among digital artists, especially if they can add the ability to run programs that run on M1-based MacOS machines

Wacom must be feeling a little concerned


I literally bought an iPad last year just for digital art. I have a screen protector that feels like paper too. It it much better than a Wacom.

Wacom still have an advantage when it comes to certain specialized pens - I know a couple of digital retouchers who swear by their airbrush pen - but yeah, for people like illustrators (both hobbyist and pro) it's pretty much iPad + Magic Pencil + PaperLike (or equivalent) + ProCreate nowadays.
 
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